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Darn, i was lazy and was going to use that later but guess removed before i got the chance.
GM's play the game and probably mad how people can get nice stats with easy.

Or it goes against the rules, im not just negative.

any way you benefit while not being at the keyboard == botting == bannable.

seems quite self-explainatory to me. tbh, i'm surprised afking in arena isn't bannable yet, as afking with vengeance sting on for xp was bannable.

So afking Siege should also be banable as you get rewards for doing nothing.

I can understand that auto enter though, i would more like maybe a makes a sound when pop up appears?

As already statted, your addon, simple as it was (like 30 lines...) Technically broke the ToS, or at least what we abide by from past GM bans. Something as simple as standing AFK whit R/M elite on was a one year ban. Anything that allows you to use it while AFK is suspect, Bans won't occur, until you get 'caught' while AFK, and using it. Chances are good the gm's do not want people to get close to the area where scripts can be used while AFK. I'm guessing that's why it was removed.

So how is autoacceptinvites not bannable? Or autoride.. or any number of things that automatically accept "invitations". Or are they they just don't like to make it clear what is and isnt against the rules?

Quoted from "Borella"

So how is autoacceptinvites not bannable? Or autoride.. or any number of things that automatically accept "invitations". Or are they they just don't like to make it clear what is and isnt against the rules?

there is some grey area/blind eye. don't push our luck.

however, imo, things like that are allowed because you don't directly benefit from it in any way. it just makes things more convenient. the line is drawn when actual measurable gains can be observed (gear, stats, points, currency, xp, items, etc).

@Borella Cike summed it up very well, while I'm not sure on the TECHNICAL rule, as its been a few months since my last pouring over of the ToS... If it comes to doing any autmatically, WITHOUT user input, including autoacceptinvites, and COI, and... I BELIEVE it's bannable. Enforcement is another story, besides who cares if you save 1 second, on hitching a ride on someones mount. When it comes to auto-accepting a battlefield invitation, there is more harm that could be done there. While the whole process can't be automated. It's like the state speed limit, its posted as X, but the state patrol won't pull you over, until you are X+Y over. Y is dependent on the offcer, but you still need to be going X to get caught. Here the Y is still discretion, but if you don't need to be at the keyboard for something to happen "Event_based" at its very description, they CAN ban you for it.

Just to add to all this... in the ToS there is a specific 'clause' giving GF the ace card.
Launch the game, look at the Tos: section 8.1-8.5
They can do what they want, if they have any sort of suspicion on your account. All games have stuff like this nowadays, websites do too.

Just in case you still have questions, addons themselves are technically illegal too. AND I QUOTE
"Under no circumstances may the user
a) create or use cheats, mods, hacks and/or software that alter the online game experience,
b) use software that facilitates data mining [Char plan, dungeon loot, etc...]..."
Addons count as mods, so i mean if GF wanted to, they could ban every single player that isn't vanilla. Which is what, 99% of us. They wouldn't do this, because of money, its also extremely irrational, but the ToS hold ALOT of power for GF and RW.

3rd: edit
Just wanted to mention, GMs are usually very kind when it comes to addons... etc... they play the game too. But they drew the line at if it can be done away from the keyboard. If you are using an Addon, you already passed X in my analogy, you are living on grace of an officer, if you are automating things to the point of not needing to click, you passed Y, you can and will get caught, its only time. If i need to elaborate further I can, but i Believe this addresses all of the OP's concerns and way more.

Maybe this would help clarify it.

Think of it this way: if u have a battlefield/arena add-on that automatically puts you in the queue then you could theoretically set it up and leave the game on all day and night getting rewards for them without doing a thing. At the end you could then get the rewards for doing nothing and repeat the process. The difference with going afk in siege is that you have to manually enter siege and then it's over in a hour; it's not repeatable. If you created a macro where you automatically signed up for siege each day, entered siege at start, and then just collected rewards THEN you would be doing the same thing.

So just manually sign up for arena, have some fun and get you stats.

Quoted from "Djed"

Think of it this way: if u have a battlefield/arena add-on that automatically puts you in the queue then you could theoretically set it up and leave the game on all day and night getting rewards for them without doing a thing. At the end you could then get the rewards for doing nothing and repeat the process

kinda like that afk mem farm in janos?

that was allowed far as i know

This would work in the same way lemony, if you didn't have to requeue. I'm not a gamemaster, but the farthest I would think they would let this go, is an event based script that plays a sound or some sort of visual indication that the queue popped. Accepting the queue automagically is questionable, and requeueing automatically is definitely not smiled upon. If they (the actual game code were not allowed to edit legally) just plopped you into arcanium, and auto queued you again for the game, then yes this would be equivalent in many ways to bymorsh, since anyone in the 'party' for old bymorsh, and anyone in the entire battlefield for arcanium gets rewards.


Once again, it's my opinion, but bymorsh was something that was OK at the time, but seeing how they ruled on the R/M elite that got a number of people banned... Arcanium arena queueing and bymorsh both fall under What is not allowed whilst AFK:

My 10 cents, the GM's said they would discuss allowing alts AFK, but I can say for a fact that anything that automatically performs the actions of arcanium accepting and requeueing, completely and accurately would require third party software, which is bannable.


EDIT: I believe the OP's questions has been answered, he even posted that he would take actions about this knowledge, I'm not sure there is a reason to continue posting here, unless someone else has a question about what's allowed or not.

afking at bymorsh did not require an add on/script/macro/interaction to sustain.
afking through multiple AA matches does.

I just wanted a addon that auto entered my other clients for me Q-Q Not even auto queue as there could be problems with that. Just nice when you have 5 alts in 5 different parties and you are fighting in one arena and don't notice another pop and miss it by a few seconds. :/

Autoentering Arena =/= autoqueue'ing for an arena. Autoentering should not be against the rules if any of the other auto accept invite addons aren't.

"It's bannable.. well.. because.. because we want it to be! You just have to read our minds and know if we feel like banning for it!" Is a terrible terrible strategy.

@Borella, take that up with GF, I'm not incharge of interpreting the ToS in terms of what they can ban you for. I can make judgement calls on what I think applies. They are playing it safe, and reserving the right to ban anyone for very little. I don't blame them TBH, plenty of cases where it came in handy for them as a business. And using the logic, this shouldn't be because that isn't is a fine argument, except we go down the slippery slope. Where is the line drawn...

I think they could simply add a requirement where if you don't either, do some damage, heal something, or take damage, then you shouldn't get any reward. That would prevent any auto join afk'ers from gaining anything. Any participation, then you get the normal rewards.

I think general rules are more important than the particular case/fixes/possible changes of AA (and this is off-topic here, worth discussing elsewhere).

Back to the rules: I would agree with Borella: auto re-queueing should not be allowed, but nothing wrong with auto-accepting AA when it starts. Seems to fall in line with similar situations.

If you don't agree, then still at least auto-whispering to a main when an alt gets an option to start AA would definitely be OK - I think for this we won't have even the tinest argument, right?