Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "Borella"

"It's bannable.. well.. because.. because we want it to be! You just have to read our minds and know if we feel like banning for it!" Is a terrible terrible strategy.

These kind of things are usually put in games so the company in question don't have to use their brain and out think the players like they ideally should. So they just go ahead and make the game how they originally planned and do not consider the view point of someone who would want max benefit from the game. And then if it turns out they made a mistake and correcting it is too much effort or will take up too much time, they just fall back on that rule in the TOS and be like "Oh no we made this mistake, but you gone get banned if you benefit from it". Rather cowardly imo, -sigh-.

+1 for auto accepting arena invitation, also maybe increase the amount of matches that can happen at once. Too many toons in que and not enough space seems to be the cause of why AA has been crashing a lot lately...I think.

Word I would like an increase in points also but hey.

We don't ban people because we have fun with it. We enforce rules, because we simply have to stick with them. If we don't, there is no point in being a teamler at all.

On the other side, if you don't like the rules, which we are not going to change, then you are free to leave. It's as simple as that.

You enforce rules arbitrarily. Some things are okay while other things that are nearly the same thing aren't ok. Sure you can petAutoCraft but only in *this* specific way and you can use auto accept invitations and auto accept party invite and auto accept rides but how dare you auto accept battle ground invitation.

The rules aren't anywhere close to clear. Unless the GM's have some list of rules that the players don't you're just enforcing rules the way you feel they should be. What makes your interpretation any more correct than a players? Because you have fancy green writing?

"Don't try to clarify the rules or question them. Just leave." No wonder the game is dead.

@Borella. Does Congress have any more power than you or me? Yes. Why? Because, they hold an official office that is mutually respected. Guess what GM's no matter green, blue, orange, or whatever text color, hold a mutually respected office. They're interpretations of the rules, are more important than ours, its called deference. Sort of a big deal, considering it was one of the leading principles of the Roman government. Your post shows considerable ignorance of their authority and is quite concerning.

Oh my.

If you know how auto-accepting transport costs works, it takes literally 15 minutes max to write up yourself something that auto-accepts the AA popup... I know - I have just tried. With hardcoded local strings rather than proper TEXT("SC_XXXXXX_DIALOG_Y"), but still - it simply works (just a different event).

As always, knowing that something is at all possible is the key to success.

So again, I think "the ruling" should go as Borella sugested: auto queueing should be forbidden, but just auto-accepting the popup should simply be allowed. Because there is no difference in mechanics between this and other things that are allowed. Because you guys will have no way to figure out if someone is accepting automatically or not (so a possible "ruling" the other way around is not enforceable). And because everyone who would like to use it would need to be not afk to join the queue first anyway.

Just my 2c...

Congress doesn't take poorly written and ambiguous laws and decide to enforce them however they feel like interpreting them. The rules should not *need* to be interpreted by the GM's. That is not their job. Their job is to enforce the rules of the game as they are written, not make decisions about what is or is not allowed based on their personal views of the ToS. If the rules of the game are ambiguous and require interpretation, then they need to be rewritten not poorly interpreted and used to ban people.

Quoted from "ftwoplay"

@Borella. Does Congress have any more power than you or me? Yes. Why? Because, they hold an official office that is mutually respected. Guess what GM's no matter green, blue, orange, or whatever text color, hold a mutually respected office. They're interpretations of the rules, are more important than ours, its called deference. Sort of a big deal, considering it was one of the leading principles of the Roman government. Your post shows considerable ignorance of their authority and is quite concerning.

The rule is simple. Can you do it without being near your computer? = Forbidden.

In which case auto accepting things, such as party invites is bannable. I guess end of story... That sucks, but end of story.

I am compelled to double post to make sure this is read by a GM. TO the above comment form sarkas... What you are saying, is more than what you imply I believe, because I could perform a 1+1 calculation away form keyboard, and output that to a frame, every single time someone in guild says something. This way when I get back I could know how many messages I missed. And your saying that's bannable, by word of law form your last post. YOU NEED to clarify where the line is drawn, in more specific, non abstract terms, because your drawing the line WAY in left field with that comment, to the point of absurdity. My example is one of innocent intetions, but furthering that example. Anything event based cannot be used in our code, because it could be bannable, which means every SINGLE addon I can think of, is bannable. FromPBInfo, to SMPA (yes, my addon), to Ultimate Mail Mod, to even DIYCE, because techinically these events COULD be fired while you are AFK, and often are fired when you are AFK.

The addons most of the time ignore the events because the requirements don't match, but in quite a number of cases they do, such as AutoAcceptInvites, PetCraft, SMPA has some as well. CoI, AutoTune, the one addon that stores guild siege records... the lists go on... Without further definition, 97-98% of the addons should be removed from curse, because its illegal according to your word of law. I'm not interpreting anything, I'm taking exactly what you said and applying it in a hypothetical situation. The list made by AFK: What is and is not allowed was much more reasonable, but even then there are points of contention. Your saying that any addon that is event based falls under the category of Use of addons that automate some activities, such as PetAutoCraft; and that is incredibly absurd. If that is indeed what you mean, then so be it. But I do what clarification on a matter that has gone unclarified for too long.

To further make this difficult on you, the way the categories stand now, full auto accepting for battlefields and party invites... should be legal according to AFK: What is and is not allowed Everything in the allow section points to this being ok, the only thing that comes even close is the First point in not allowed. This is the point I want clarified. Where is the line drawn, in the most definitive, answer you can muster, list out what is and isn't allowed for addons. So we don't have to keep having this conversation every 6 months...

in case you missed it this is from Saito near the beginning of this thread.
accept invites for groups/rides etc is one thing, the combination of auto-accepting / thus joining the Arcanium Arena Battlefield is something we're a bit on the edge on and are discussing it internally. The root cause of it all is a combination of things again,not just the getting rid of the register/"arena available, please join" screens but also what it currently results in.

for now the posts are disabled just in case - but might reappear later.

Ftwoplay: the quoted a) part is targeted against actual client modifications e.g. model folder, external bot programs, flyhacks etc you name it, stuff that actual modifies the client files/patches its dlls/writes directly to memory etc. The addon API is an integral part of the game and meant to be used for well, addons.

But sometimes there are a few situations where you can combine things within the RoM-API that by far exceed what should be possible, the most common example is probably PetAutoCraft when using its full functionality.