Runes of Magic US / AU

Make AD a knight general skill, having it do a 30% (max lvl50) dmg increase on target for 10 seconds. Then choose your favourite knight

Also this forum page is telling me I spelled 'favourite' wrong... >.> #CanadianProblems

Everyone would just re roll k/p for holy illumination and taunt together, then all you've done is remove yet another buffalt slot from the party for another alt/debuffer. Not the solution imo.

Quoted from "Borella"

K/W is still the best knight and there's STILL no reason to take any other knight. Nerfing AD didn't change that.

I tried k/p because their 30 second elite brings more to the party than a 3 second AD. Looks like k/p is staying as a buff alt

Quoted from "bahlool"

I can't understand how your warden/warriors are doing more damage than your rouge/mage.

in our guild in less than a minute fights our rouges are ruling the scurti..

is there a difference in gear or ur warden/w got IBW or some sort of advantage?

This was 10-20s fights, except for 5th boss (You should be able to tell from the DPS). Every player in the Scrutinizer has IBW except Yungyeezus. He's also been unlucky and doesn't have Animal Spirit Eclipse like a peasant <3

Anyways there's several factors that can change who tops scrut: length of fights, buffs, debuffs, target, player skill. If hypothetically everything is the same except the players then either your Wd/W's are bad or our R/M is bad. Knowing Bleed, I'm leaning towards the former ;D

for the no scrut wd/w no dyice option, it is possible to make a macro that does the same thing a dyice would, but you' ll be more limited then if you were using dyice. the option of adding charged chop to ever skill in your rotation is from experience not working well as you'll lag more then half the time and the other skill wont go off with the right timing.

was wondering: isnt k/s the best agro class for knight?

duv sell me a recon x problem solved XD qq XD
youll be fine not using diyce on wd/w if the only wd/w in group, but if theres another one in party who is using diyce well friend... you will NOT get one pulse mastery off and all you will be doing is making the other wd/w 's dps skyrocket by stealing all your beast sigils for their pulse mastery.
Last i knew the 30% aggro reduction from k/p is worth way more than an extra hatred from k/s, but its been eons since i played knight dont quote me.

Its a shame really, there is a lot to like in this new patch. New seeds, matts, new stuff dropping in my backpack I haven't even figured out what it is yet, Scout got a nice buff, new world boss and all we are talking about in the forums is the knight nerf.

They really need to put it back like it was, this seriously lowers my desire to play and buy diamonds. I'm not going to re-roll warden or level another class to 90 by doing a bajillion butterfly dailies had enough of that. I can go back to k/p though might do that.

I know some Wd's use diyce but I've never had good success with it, even trying putting CastSpellByName for CC before the diyce call. There is a whole thread in the fuzzydiyce development about getting the full 2 skills per second out of charged chop.

I've had some success using a macro like this for Wd to weave in CC, it only fires off other skills when charged chop is on cd between 0.7-0.9 seconds. This eliminates the scenario of using a GCD skill right before CC would come up off CD. You'll have to adjust the timings based on your ping. This doesn't get the full 2 skill/sec and isn't as good as a very good manual player but should be better then just spamming charged chop.

	Source code
1	/run _,cd = GetSkillCooldown(2,1) if(cd < .9 and cd>0.7) then if(GetActionUsable(a)) then UseAction(a) else if(GetActionUsable(b)) then UseAction(b) else if(GetActionUsable(c)) then UseAction(c) else if(GetActionUsable(d)) then UseAction(d) else end end end end else UseAction(e) end

Where a,b,c,d,e are slots for:
a=pulse mastery
b=beast chop
c=animal spirit eclipse
d=slash
e=charged chop


If anyone has a good working diyce 1/2/fuzzy/KC file i'd be interested in seeing it, PM me.

ppk still burned coe hard (expet 5th, down to 40%) despite k/w change (i.e not impossible to run things like before).

Thread is about k/w stuff, not wd/w // diyce.

k/w should still have more aggro over k/s since 38% damage is more aggro then a second hatred, and significantly higher crit rate during burst...Athough that's not factoring the other differences between the two classes (bow skills, etc.)

What about all the fun I was having soloing instances, now I'm all gimped they took away my cool trick.

It's like the publishers dont want the game to be fun.

Quoted from "Erich1999"

It's like the publishers dont want the game to be fun.

i'm betting the game was NOT fun for all other knights besides k/m and k/w.

Just like the game isn't fun for all mages who aren't M/W. Or for all rogues that aren't R/M. Or for all Warriors who aren't W/wdn. Or or for all wardens who aren't Wdn/w. It's how this game works.

K/W is still the best knight so it didn't even fix that problem. Even if it wasn't people will ALWAYS play the one class that's better than the rest. if it's not K/W they'll all just need to play the next best. This game does NOT allow choice when it comes to endgame. You play the best class always.

Quoted from "Cike"

Quoted from "Erich1999"

It's like the publishers dont want the game to be fun.

i'm betting the game was NOT fun for all other knights besides k/m and k/w.

I'm not sure what you mean, how does taking away my cool toy make it more fun for K/P or K/S?

Video of post k/w nerf is here:



It's still processing, but when it's done it will be viewable.

Hopefully I'll get a scout video up aswell.

offtopic: running as solo rogue is so much different when you are spoiled with another rogue's bleeds lmfao

Quoted from "Erich1999"

I'm not sure what you mean, how does taking away my cool toy make it more fun for K/P or K/S?

simply put, it makes them more viable.

that way, they are more likely to get runs, participate in group play, and generally "have fun". so yes, taking away k/w's fun enabled k/s and k/p to have more fun.




borella, i am not saying that there will never be FotM, i am merely pointing out that people who do not choose to roll FotM generally get shunned, or pressured to conform, and as a result of this, it is "less fun" for them.

it would be a dream come true if the majority of combos were viable. that being said, yes, at this point, there are very few viable combos per class. we are getting closer though. k/w nerf leveled the knight playing field somewhat. now we just need to do that with other classes(not necessarily nerfing the FotM, buffing the others would be just as good. better actually, as nobody would be all ragey like this patch).


as others have said, k/w is still a very viable tank. it's not like making your combo useless. it simply made it non-essential. there's a difference.

(however, this post is ignoring the group clearing ability due to loss of dps, it merely points out the effect of class balancing on other combos)

Sigh, I really liked being essential, it was like beiing the bell of the ball. Everyone wanted a dance.

Quoted from "bleedingblak"

Video of post k/w nerf is here:

It's still processing, but when it's done it will be viewable.

Hopefully I'll get a scout video up aswell.

offtopic: running as solo rogue is so much different when you are spoiled with another rogue's bleeds lmfao

We get it. You guys are op and don't need the extra 7 seconds of ad. Usually just saying it once does the trick.

Quoted from "Magío"

Quoted from "bahlool"

I can't understand how your warden/warriors are doing more damage than your rouge/mage.

in our guild in less than a minute fights our rouges are ruling the scurti..

is there a difference in gear or ur warden/w got IBW or some sort of advantage?

This was 10-20s fights, except for 5th boss (You should be able to tell from the DPS). Every player in the Scrutinizer has IBW except Yungyeezus. He's also been unlucky and doesn't have Animal Spirit Eclipse like a peasant <3

Anyways there's several factors that can change who tops scrut: length of fights, buffs, debuffs, target, player skill. If hypothetically everything is the same except the players then either your Wd/W's are bad or our R/M is bad. Knowing Bleed, I'm leaning towards the former ;D

No doubt you guys really have good dds at ppk. I've seen many of the videos bleed posted and ur runs looks smooth and fun.

We also are the top guild on dochas and managed to clear every ini we ran.. Our wd/w are matched on gear grotto set, Morgan set, he set and a top Morgan weapon all +20 weapon and rings.. to be honest they even prefer running w/wd over wd/wd so not sure if they are doing anything wrong.. but I know these guys are matured players who came from top guilds on other server when dochas was opened and most been playing the game for 5+ years.. I'll have a discussion with them and find out what's going on.. at the moment our r/my and warmages are doing the highest dps. Maybe we can do a proper comparison on a different thread soon.

So I'm sorry for going of topic.. I do also play a k/w and the ad Nerf is really hurting our runs. More details to follow soon as it comes available.

I tried running my scout/r as well the other day in a random grotto run and I was not able to keep up with other dds but that is mainly cut I need more time getting used to it. Will also try posting updates on that as it comes available.

Finally Warden/Warriors aren't the worst class in the game anymore. I can finally be useful.

Quoted from "K1n6N0th1n6"

We get it. You guys are op and don't need the extra 7 seconds of ad. Usually just saying it once does the trick.

But what's the point of playing if we cant compare epeens? >.<

Shoot, why else do you think I haven't played in 5 or 6 months? I had to stop playing to give you guys a chance to catch up to me lol

Or something..