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You can see the PPK videos where they do CoE bosses with 3 - 4 dps and buffer alts but also you have to take into consideration how much more rampage would do with a 2 hander weapon, IBW, housemaid p.atk and such. No other class combo can get anywhere near that damage IMO and the closest thing might be w/s.

Buffer alts are just plain OP

The skill does a rediculously high amount of damage, and with he cool down and penalties if you miss or don't kill the boss, you're screwed. It has been said this is very difficult to time and lots of time is spent wiping. It's just putting all your eggs in one basket. Have you seem some of those k/m s on the geran servers with parties geared to maximize their damage? 3 of them can Brno CoE bosses in like 5-7seconds. Don't cry nerf for champ cause other classes can be op like that as well.

Actually don't cry nerf for anything right now. With the server merge being worked on , I don't think the Team can afford to divide its attention to devise a balance for certain skills. Merges come first, then class balancing. We don't need to drive more players away with a nerf.
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Quoted from "poisonarmadillo"

The skill does a rediculously high amount of damage, and with he cool down and penalties if you miss or don't kill the boss, you're screwed. It has been said this is very difficult to time and lots of time is spent wiping. It's just putting all your eggs in one basket. Have you seem some of those k/m s on the geran servers with parties geared to maximize their damage? 3 of them can Brno CoE bosses in like 5-7seconds. Don't cry nerf for champ cause other classes can be op like that as well.

Actually don't cry nerf for anything right now. With the server merge being worked on , I don't think the Team can afford to divide its attention to devise a balance for certain skills. Merges come first, then class balancing. We don't need to drive more players away with a nerf.
Thank you

A skill that's capable of doing over 200 million damage and 1-2 shot hardmode bosses and you think it shouldn't be nerfed? Anyone who quits ROM over a nerf to this ridiculous skill can just go to hell as far as I'm concerned. LOL

You do realize that for that you need to have perfect timing, right? You'd need to, while fully burn buffed, use elemental rampage while Silent Seal is on the boss (x4 damage to AoEs) and while AD is on the boss. If you mess up while trying to do this, you will wipe.

Quoted from "Zerienga"

You do realize that for that you need to have perfect timing, right? You'd need to, while fully burn buffed, use elemental rampage while Silent Seal is on the boss (x4 damage to AoEs) and while AD is on the boss. If you mess up while trying to do this, you will wipe.

Exactly. It isnt the most ideal method of running.. but when its about all you can do to clear high content with how dead the servers are... I would say it was worth the time and effort.

Yea, but I'm not saying that you shouldn't do it if it's the only way. I'm arguing why it shouldn't get nerfed.

ch/m 60 ellite has been around for ages, its only recently that people has been using it because of the lack of players. It's the hardest combo in the entire game to do a burn on. And whats worse you have to do the entire thing by yourself, i dont think you can even make diyce for it, due to the fact that the all 5 different stacks of forge effect has the same buff ID and diyce cant differentiate between say 2 stacks of forge effect and 5 stacks of forge effect. You should use elemental rampage when forge is fully stacked otherwise you are just throwing away 10% patk boost

It does have something for stacks, never used it for ch/m though. Would be like (pbuffs["Forge Effect"].stack > 4)

Ch/m isn't ridiculous, buff alts, and abusing so many buffs and debuffs is. The real issue is us trying to 1 shot everything. Why? Because we hate risk. We REALLY hate risk. I don't see a purpose to burning bosses like this. It seems silly. Why bother playing a game if you can cheat? Because in w ay that's what your doing. Your cheating the entire point of the bossfight. To get gear... for what? Not to run another instance with other people that's for sure... For siege maybe? I mean do you enjoy squishy scrubs with gear you shouldn't even have gotten? I'm honestly confused, if you are doing chmp/m for the purpose of doing the most damage you can fine.... But if your doing it to try to progress... congrats... you already have everything you ever dreamed of in RoM. Your endgame, now please play a legit combo that can't do 200 mil... I understand all other combos. because they don't 1-2shot a boss. Literally, guys... common...

I understand nuking people in siege, I mean its not like the skill is 'free'. Although it is like a m/wd elite. Immune or die. Which is an entirely different topic, as I like to keep PvE and PvP separate. As it should be...

As for checking on DIYCE stacks... I always just add a if() statement if I can't find documentation on something, although .stakcs should work IIRC. As already statted.

Trust me, ch/m is still risky. If you make the slightest error, you will wipe. The biggest reason why ch/m can hit so hard is because of the wl/m silence. It is currently bugged to provide 4x the damage to any aoe whereas it still should only be double like it is for non-aoe attacks and like it states it should do. Currently, the most recent use I've seen of ch/m is by a DE guild that used it to nuke the bugged first boss of Veiled Crypt of Kashaylan. And they wiped a multitude of times to achieve that. Elemental Rampage with stacked buffs/debuffs isn't the problem. Wl/m silence is.

Now, in terms for maximizing damage of Elemental Rampage, you have a slight delay leaving Shield Form after using Clone Conversion, enabling you to get Elemental Rampage off with the 20% patk boost from Clone Conversion.

This ch/m thing seems like a crit or die situation with only two champs

Even if the wl/m silence wasn't bugged you're still looking at a ch/m rampage of over 100M.. On one skill.

scout can snipe for over 100m with the same buffs of a ch/m party... and then keep on atking after. So really the wl/m bug does matter, its the difference of 100m :p

Quoted from "ftwoplay"

Ch/m isn't ridiculous, buff alts, and abusing so many buffs and debuffs is. The real issue is us trying to 1 shot everything. Why? Because we hate risk. We REALLY hate risk. I don't see a purpose to burning bosses like this. It seems silly. Why bother playing a game if you can cheat? Because in w ay that's what your doing. Your cheating the entire point of the bossfight. To get gear... for what? Not to run another instance with other people that's for sure... For siege maybe? I mean do you enjoy squishy scrubs with gear you shouldn't even have gotten? I'm honestly confused, if you are doing chmp/m for the purpose of doing the most damage you can fine.... But if your doing it to try to progress... congrats... you already have everything you ever dreamed of in RoM. Your endgame, now please play a legit combo that can't do 200 mil... I understand all other combos. because they don't 1-2shot a boss. Literally, guys... common...

I understand nuking people in siege, I mean its not like the skill is 'free'. Although it is like a m/wd elite. Immune or die. Which is an entirely different topic, as I like to keep PvE and PvP separate. As it should be...

As for checking on DIYCE stacks... I always just add a if() statement if I can't find documentation on something, although .stakcs should work IIRC. As already statted.

How is it abusing buff/debuff alts? people are just taking advantage of the things that has been provided. And what does it matter whether the boss has been one shot or burned? the goal is to kill the boss, whether that's 2 ch/m one shoting or 5 dps burning, the bosses hp has to be 0 at the end. As cal stated, its not the most ideal way to run but its the only way to progress right now due to the lack of people. I have other toons that I can run on, I can burn on m/w, tank on wd/w or wd/s, debuff on wd/s or wl/m, but I've had to fall back on my ch/m because its really annoying when the lvl cap is 95 and we haven't cleared lvl 90 instance yet.

And don't you talk about end game. you are the guy who insisted that I tank on my ch/r without my 70 ellite when there are 2 dps wd/w in raid because (get this everyone) your puny p/ch heals weren't hitting me hard enough, despite the fact that there were 2 other druids in said raid. You ever wander why no one govinda invites you on end game? You are only hating on ch/m cause your champ cant do that kind of dps.

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Quoted from "Zerienga"

You do realize that for that you need to have perfect timing, right? You'd need to, while fully burn buffed, use elemental rampage while Silent Seal is on the boss (x4 damage to AoEs) and while AD is on the boss. If you mess up while trying to do this, you will wipe.

Exactly. It isnt the most ideal method of running.. but when its about all you can do to clear high content with how dead the servers are... I would say it was worth the time and effort.