Runes of Magic US / AU

Man Dionaea you sure can freak me out, I thought you were going to say something about discontinuing Zeevex.

That's always a worry of mine and probably some other people around here too that you're just going to stop Zeevex.

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>> fail post <<

Before it became part of the ToS and it was brought up to be a violation were people getting perma banned?

This is such bull.. are you trying to run people away from the game? You're doing a pretty good job of it.

Is selling the Adventurer Giftbag code from zeevex bannable?

Quoted from "Dionaea;567602"

Alright, lets try to turn this constructive please.

This is such bull...

why?
how?
what would be better?
why might it be good?

Constructive feedback please

I can not forward "This is such bull"

Zeevex is the only way (besides the diamond NPC) for players who cannot or won't buy diamonds to get diamonds their accounts for things such as portable mail, ah, or even just saving up for when sales come on to buy diamonds. It also helped the economy, cause when an endgame player was sitting on hundreds of millions of gold, they could buy zeevex from a up and coming person and keep gold flowing through the game. As it is, instead of spending 800M gold on zeevex like I did before it was bannable, now that 800M gold is just going to sit there not circulate throughout the economy.

As it is.. i'd like to see a real reason for it being taken away besides "It was never allowed to begin with". Yes, it was allowed. It was specifically said that we could do it, what reason is there to start enforcing the no trade rule now?

As you keep taking things away from us, you're just driving more and more players away from the game. Alot of your endgame players are *not* diamond buyers, whether because they just can't afford it or can't justify it with the way this game treats paying players. And while you shouldn't JUST cater to the endgame market, without us the game would collapse.

Quoted from "Dionaea;567614"

Just to clarify: The issue is using a payment card and tokens that can be used out of game for other values for ingame gold. Basically you become a goldseller/goldbuyer. If you redeem the card and obtain the free in-game gift code, you can trade the gift code for gold.

Now that zeevex is not tradeable, is there any chance that diamonds themselves will be unlocked and giftable again? like sending diamonds between accounts.

Oh, for god's sake... as bad as the change is, didn't we already rehash this? We had a big thread, Fan wrote doctoral thesis on the subject, we even had little children threads. Everyone (or maybe just about everyone) thinks it is a bad idea, at least without something else to replace the needed functionality. No point in beating up that dead horse; this is just the official announcement. There is nothing to forward here, and if there are any forwarding to be done, then use one of dozen already l written (and written darn well) anti messages elaborating why this is bad.

Yeah, you only really see them after the topic comes up repeatedly, maybe it would be best to come back with an "I told you so" once the effect from making trade against ToS becomes apparent

Quoted from "vfwiffo;567654"

Oh, for god's sake... as bad as the change is, didn't we already rehash this? We had a big thread, Fan wrote doctoral thesis on the subject, we even had little children threads. Everyone (or maybe just about everyone) thinks it is a bad idea, at least without something else to replace the needed functionality. No point in beating up that dead horse; this is just the official announcement. There is nothing to forward here, and if there are any forwarding to be done, then use one of dozen already l written (and written darn well) anti messages elaborating why this is bad.

Well right now the problem is the gms have ignored every reasonable post and only pay attention to the troll posts.

Weve tried to explain why this will be detrimental to the community and the economy.

Weve tried to explain that it could be atleast partially fixed by letting diamonds be giftable between accounts again (like actual diamonds, not the items).

But none of those posts get any notice.

Also, if you ever want anything to change, if you want something to be made better, you keep figthing for it. If you give up on it, its because you dident care enough to begin with.

Quoted from "thebadtouch09;567656"

Well right now the problem is the gms have ignored every reasonable post and only pay attention to the troll posts.

Weve tried to explain why this will be detrimental to the community and the economy.

Weve tried to explain that it could be atleast partially fixed by letting diamonds be giftable between accounts again (like actual diamonds, not the items).

But none of those posts get any notice.

I doubt GM's have an answer to it either, until they receive reply from Upper management, which probably won't happen, because no business will tell its customers "We think we might make more profits that way" .

A question, please. May we still gift a Zeevex long or short code to someone, as long as no gold is exchanged?

Quoted from "ruisen2000;567659"

I doubt GM's have an answer to it either, until they receive reply from Upper management, which probably won't happen, because no business will tell its customers "We think we might make more profits that way" .

thats also not a legitimate answer. you cant tell us to be constructive, and then not reply to us when we are. Its like yelling at your kids when they do bad in school, and shurgging them off when they do well. All it does is make your kid want to move out.

Quoted from "Seoidhal;567668"

A question, please. May we still gift a Zeevex long or short code to someone, as long as no gold is exchanged?

No one can stop you from giving someone a gift. Its the act of selling, trading, or bartering that the gms are trying to stop.

If people are really saying that they cannot understand why Zeevex trading is against the rules, then I really think you need to reconsider the situation again. It allows money spent on RoM to actually benefit another game, and can be used as an intermediate step to taking real money out of the game.

The point isn't Zeevex, it is the lack of alternative that actually fully meets the needs of players.

Zeevex was an imperfect solution as it was a third party currency with the above issues for the publishers. Trading was also completely on trust. However the advantages were that trading was unlimited in scale and it allowed f2p players to actually get their grubby little mitts on the diamonds themselves to use when and where they liked. Also meant that trading was not largely limited to intense periods during sales. This solution has been replaced as far as I can see by...

Cedric. Never has such a dorky name been so popular. If I was allowed to name my children, I'd call the next one Cedric. The diamonds NPCs have wonderful plus points too. They require no one to spend real money. They suck large amounts of gold out of the game combating inflation and the effects of goldsellers, dupers and the natural inclination of all gold to gravitate towards active end-gamers. They also help control the price of diamonds by giving a natural underlying constant in times of flux. They are also completely secure. However, they are extremely limited in the scale of trading. Only useful for buying diamonds, not selling. They don't directly help control the price of end-game stats or gear (though they do indirectly).

So in summary, we need something that can act like the best of both worlds. Something that allows unlimited (both in volume and timescale), secure trading of diamonds that doesn't allow for real cash to be removed from the game.

Zeevex never was that solution - we have moved from one imperfect solution to another. Don't get me wrong, Cedric is a genius idea, but he can't do the job of diamond trading alone.

Quoted from "KatalanOrk;567691"

If people are really saying that they cannot understand why Zeevex trading is against the rules, then I really think you need to reconsider the situation again. It allows money spent on RoM to actually benefit another game, and can be used as an intermediate step to taking real money out of the game.

The point isn't Zeevex, it is the lack of alternative that actually fully meets the needs of players.

Zeevex was an imperfect solution as it was a third party currency with the above issues for the publishers. Trading was also completely on trust. However the advantages were that trading was unlimited in scale and it allowed f2p players to actually get their grubby little mitts on the diamonds themselves to use when and where they liked. Also meant that trading was not largely limited to intense periods during sales. This solution has been replaced as far as I can see by...

Cedric. Never has such a dorky name been so popular. If I was allowed to name my children, I'd call the next one Cedric. The diamonds NPCs have wonderful plus points too. They require no one to spend real money. They suck large amounts of gold out of the game combating inflation and the effects of goldsellers, dupers and the natural inclination of all gold to gravitate towards active end-gamers. They also help control the price of diamonds by giving a natural underlying constant in times of flux. They are also completely secure. However, they are extremely limited in the scale of trading. Only useful for buying diamonds, not selling. They don't directly help control the price of end-game stats or gear (though they do indirectly).

So in summary, we need something that can act like the best of both worlds. Something that allows unlimited (both in volume and timescale), secure trading of diamonds that doesn't allow for real cash to be removed from the game.

Zeevex never was that solution - we have moved from one imperfect solution to another. Don't get me wrong, Cedric is a genius idea, but he can't do the job of diamond trading alone.

meaning: bring diamonds back to the ah/mailbox?