[Statement] Zeevex Trades for ingame gold

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 12:01pm

Quoted from "zidlef;568083"

Let me ask these questions again :

Does Zeevex belong to Gameforge or Frogster?? NO
What is the percentage given to Gameforge for every Zeevex sold?? NOT MUCH
Does selling Zeevex helps Gameforge make more money?? NO

They need to sell their currency = DIAMONDS. They sell by their website = 100% profit for them.

I know of a lot of nice endgamers, that take time to show lower levels how to do certain instances and learn. Take the time and enjoy the game, anyone rememebers how to do this?

Did endgamers run GCH and TOSHH with full eternity and bygone stats?? NO
People ingame should learn that they need to level, gearup and stats as per what they can get from said instances.

Learn the said instances, with your guild, guildies and friends.

F2P are so intant of saying it cost them a lot of diamonds to run endgame stuff, why should we care? we don't force you to do them and when they put stuff in AH at 77 dura and 125M, we should be praising them and say TYVM? hell no.

I know a bunch of players that since RT, they didn't spend a dime on the game, does that make Gameforge money ? NO
Maybe noobs and new players will buy diamonds to sell to get gold, but how much gold do they need to get RT fully statted gear to play? 200M? 225M, how many diamonds does that make? around 7500 diamonds, so they have to spend 800 dollars for gear that will be obsolete within 2 weeks.

Instead of wanting to be level 72/72/72 quick to buy your gear from an endgamer, take your time, have fun, watch and learn and run with good people. I gear up as i go along, help other players in every way i can. I buy my own diamonds, sell them cheap to guildies and friends. Stop QQ'uing about Zeevex and think that this is a business. No income = no server, no player, no game.

Maybe people buying diamonds and selling to F2P makes them money, but who does it serve really?? endgamers. The new player have them saying we will run you threw stuff, get you gear and blablabla. Some i know will do it, others are just using those new players since they have diamonds, sad, but reality.

/Close this thread already, buy your own diamonds. And yes selling gold for Zeevex, the Zeevex buyer can spend it on other games and all,not Runes of Magic, so please stop with this crap. Gameforge is doing an awesome job.

TYVM

Zid, was any of that relevant to this thread?

And, you are privy to how much GameForge makes from the sale of Zeevex? Can you post your sources please?

Zeevex gets a percentage, I'm sure, but how much of a percentage is anyone's guess. Zeevex is an approved method of payment for diamonds, and it is staying that way- not sure if you understand that. What's been disallowed is player trades of Zeevex.

As long as those traded tokens were being spent on RoM and not another one of Zeevex's sucky games, the net loss for GameForge was zero. The issue is that Zeevex does support other (sucky) games. Anecdotally, no one ever spent tokens on those other games, because they suck, and they don't support any other MMORPG's- but theoretically, someone could spend those tokens on Pirate Bounty or G.U.N.Z. or some other stupid game if they wanted to- just no one did.

They were getting their money. They just didn't have 100% control of it, which is admittedly an issue.

Bringing up the whole "EVERYONE SHOULD PLAY EXACTLY LIKE ME!" thing isn't helpful at all.

If you don't see the glaring issues with the RoM economy, I'd like to buy your rose-colored glasses for use in Real Life, please, thanks and buh bye.

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 1:07pm

I seriously could understand those who are selling gears and buying zeveex , they are leaving this game for good and thus trying to salvage as much "investment" they could. All this would not have come if rom was properly maintained .

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BenTAxeL

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 1:27pm

Ok... my sever AU doesn't have Zeevex so I can't really comment on that but it sounds similar to uKash. (A third party payment option that can be used for other things.) Our GM's have never commented about trading uKash as its not the main form of diamond selling on our server.

But we do often trade gold for FastCard Diamond Cards.. These are a pre paid Diamond card usable only for Runes of Magic. same as buying Diamonds a $25 is redeemable for 705 Diamonds in game.

So if the actually issue is Veezex codes being usable for other games, then the solution is already available in Runewalkers back yard... bring the Fastcard cards to America....

Strangely enough the card Im currently holding says it can be redeemed on either the AUS or US servers.

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thebadtouch09

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 2:01pm

Quoted from "BenTAxeL;568106"

Ok... my sever AU doesn't have Zeevex so I can't really comment on that but it sounds similar to uKash. (A third party payment option that can be used for other things.) Our GM's have never commented about trading uKash as its not the main form of diamond selling on our server.

But we do often trade gold for FastCard Diamond Cards.. These are a pre paid Diamond card usable only for Runes of Magic. same as buying Diamonds a $25 is redeemable for 705 Diamonds in game.

So if the actually issue is Veezex codes being usable for other games, then the solution is already available in Runewalkers back yard... bring the Fastcard cards to America....

Strangely enough the card Im currently holding says it can be redeemed on either the AUS or US servers.

We do have fast cards, the gms stated somewhere in this thread that this form of trading is also a bannable offense.

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 2:21pm

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;568101"

Bringing up the whole "EVERYONE SHOULD PLAY EXACTLY LIKE ME!" thing isn't helpful at all.

If you don't see the glaring issues with the RoM economy, I'd like to buy your rose-colored glasses for use in Real Life, please, thanks and buh bye.

I never said play exactly like me, but real cooperation between players, helping, sharing others would make it easier for all. ROM economy on RENI got messed up by Mandrakes, everyone know that. He controlled the economy in AH, Zeevex, diamonds and gear. Yes one player was able to do that, also destroying guilds from within, lies, treachery, deceit etc. He wasn't here to enjoy the game, it was just about having to control everything. Why would a player, who has billions, yes billions of gold, 100K + diamonds and zeevex to his account still play? control.

At one point he was a helpful player, but that changed rapidely. Power corrupts that is a fact. Smaller guilds are trying to get alliances going to get stuff for our guildies, might not be perfect, but we are trying. Everyone on the server knows how i play the game and enjoy it. I started playing this game in 2009, met 2 awesome players on Reni, Castle and Fatalon, they showed me and explained the game to me, hints, tricks, how to etc...

I could have easily went to be the richest on the server, but always chose to do as thos did for me, help others. I will not chnage my views for riches, i want to have fun, i give up millions of gold and gear every week. I get my gold from crafting, questing, seldomly selling diamonds. Yes crafting takes a lot of time, but i do get free food and potions to all my guildies from it. Sell half on AH and WC to pay for mats and the other half free for guildies to enjoy the game. They give me their activate and blend runes to make them, that is all i ask.

All i'm saying enjoy the game, it is a game!!! not wall street

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BenTAxeL

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 2:34pm

Quoted from "thebadtouch09;568108"

We do have fast cards, the gms stated somewhere in this thread that this form of trading is also a bannable offense.

I just re-read that and yes they have stated that to, wonder the reasoning behind that the "It's just the same as Gold Buying" doesnt seem to fit.

As an endgame player dia's are one of the few things left to spend game gold on. The cards allow so freedom as to how and when I choose to spend those dia's be it house energy bank/bag space or just keeping them till they have a dia sale.

Buying/Selling diamonds is an integral part of the RoM ingame economy... There are other MMO's out there even p2p that allow monthly game subscriptions to be bought via ingame gold.

If the powers that be remove the ability to trade dia cards for gold then both ends will suffer.... new players wont be selling them and endgame players wont be buying them. Essentially limiting dia trades to Cash shop trades only.

Somehow that still seems to go with the gold buying ( I buy a card then sell item shop items for ingame gold.... thus I still get gold and the other player gets items he/she wants to purchase for dias )

So really all the are doing is limiting how we spend the diamonds we buy not cool froggy.

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BenTAxeL

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 2:43pm

I cant seem to edit my last post....

I understand Zeevex can be spent on other games therefore the decision to ban the trading of them.

But can a GM please explain to me what the difference is between selling a "Runes of Magic Diamond Card" and trading Cash Shop Items for gold is, in terms of how one is acceptable and the other is not?

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BenTAxeL

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 4:10pm

OK point ws missed that I already understoon the Zeevex thing....

But the trading of Runes of Magic Cards I dont as they can ONLY be spent on RoM.

This link will probably be removed (maybe it wont as TERA is actually made by the same developers) but they have a system placed ingame where players can trade monthly subscriptions the principle is the same we (the RoM community need some way of trading Dia's from both sides new and old, p2p and f2p)

http://tera.enmasse.com/game-guide/chronoscrolls <--- a system similar to that should work and not Violate the ToS.. basiacally an AH for Dia Cards.

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Nytefall

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 5:37pm

Quoted from "BenTAxeL;568116"

I cant seem to edit my last post....

I understand Zeevex can be spent on other games therefore the decision to ban the trading of them.

But can a GM please explain to me what the difference is between selling a "Runes of Magic Diamond Card" and trading Cash Shop Items for gold is, in terms of how one is acceptable and the other is not?

Item shop items for gold is an in-game item for in-game currency. Neither can ever leave the world of Taborea.

Diamond card for gold is out-of-game item for in-game currency. The card is not an in-game item. Therefore, it is prohibited under the Terms of Service, and bannable. It is no different then using any other payment method to purchase in-game currency from another player.

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BenTAxeL

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 5:53pm

Quoted from "Nytefall;568131"

Item shop items for gold is an in-game item for in-game currency. Neither can ever leave the world of Taborea.

Diamond card for gold is out-of-game item for in-game currency. The card is not an in-game item. Therefore, it is prohibited under the Terms of Service, and bannable. It is no different then using any other payment method to purchase in-game currency from another player.

The card can only be Redeemed for Runes of Magic though? It's a prepaid payment for an "in-game item" in this case diamonds.
By that logic the bonus mount codes would also be bannable as the code itself is an out of game item.

Trying to stay constructive about a decision that in the end will see players leave RoM for other MMO's myself included

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Nytefall

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 6:01pm

Quoted from "BenTAxeL;568132"

The card can only be Redeemed for Runes of Magic though? It's a prepaid payment for an "in-game item" in this case diamonds.

Trading this card to another user for in-game gold is still an exchange of real currency for in-game currency, no matter how many middlemen or restrictions are thrown upon it - and is therefore still a Terms of Service violation.

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JamaicanDTK

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 6:54pm

This is where the argument completely falls apart. Zeevex and other cards are considered out of game: in-game trading, you do realise that someone goes with their out of game currency and buys diamonds on the RoM website. Then comes and sells them for gold in-game. In other words no matter how you look at it. Out of game currency is involved with the trade somewhere. I have never bought Zeevex but I have looked at the games it cover and I highly doubt anyone would buy them to spend on any of those games (except maybe S4). Also where do you cater for people that don't live in the US and cant just walk to a 7/11 or Wallgreens to buy a Zeevex card. Sure I have bought a few diamonds with my credit card, but not often. I get most of diamonds, how few they may be, in-game.

In conclusion, out of game currency is always going to be involved with every gift/diamond trade someway or another. Which makes the ToS and what is actually acceptable contradictory.

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 7:08pm

While I gladly take your feedback about the situation, please understand, that this thread is no discussion platform to find loopholes around our rule or to find argumentation to defend why players still do it.

The bottom line really is a stated fact:

http://forum.us.runesofmagic.com/showthr…ll=1#post567557

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We would like to inform you hereby again that the in-game trade of gold for Zeevex Cards from now on will be considered as an infringement of our Terms of Use and will be treated accordingly. Please do not accept or make any offers for such those kind of trades. You risk the permanent suspension of your game account.

This kind of trade is not allowed anymore.

I think it best if we could redirect this thread to find the pro's and con's to that change, and why you think this is a good/bad move and give us your positive or negative feedback.

But please do not discuss possible argumentative loopholes in this thread. When it comes to possible sanctions if you do such a trade, there is no argumentation and no backdoor. You risk the permanent ban of your game account if you involve yourselves in such a trade.

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 7:16pm

you can buy with your cradit card, Paypal with your bank account and credit card or via SMS. The options are there fo all to use. I say, if you are not happy with the removal of Zeevex, get a lawyer, spend 5 years in court arguing, after spending a couple 100 thousand dollars of real money. They will win, you will lose, as you agreed to the ToS and EULA anyways and they have total control over their products.

So spend your 100K of real life money for diamonds and you'll never need anything more in game, being sarcastic here, lol.

Get your own, spend YOUR own money for diamonds and everyone stop QQ'ing. Or buy from diamond seller ingame and buy from them. We all have a bank account, cell phone or credit card option to get these, pick and choose your own and get them. If you don't , i'm sorry for you and no disrespect meant, but stop playing video games and get a job. My sons gets their own diamonds, they are 12 and 16 year old, mowing lawn, working at grocery store and all. They use Paypal and it works fine for them.

TYVM, trying to find solution to a thread that should be closed already

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JamaicanDTK

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 7:47pm

Firstly, many of those methods DO NOT work where I live. Also I have bought and if I find it being worth my while, will buy diamonds again. Money isn't exactly easy to come by, especially so when you are a university student in a developing country. If you wanted QQing, there it is.

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BenTAxeL

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 8:34pm

Quoted from "Dionaea;568145"

While I gladly take your feedback about the situation, please understand, that this thread is no discussion platform to find loopholes around our rule or to find argumentation to defend why players still do it.

The bottom line really is a stated fact:

http://forum.us.runesofmagic.com/showthr…ll=1#post567557

This kind of trade is not allowed anymore.

I think it best if we could redirect this thread to find the pro's and con's to that change, and why you think this is a good/bad move and give us your positive or negative feedback.

But please do not discuss possible argumentative loopholes in this thread. When it comes to possible sanctions if you do such a trade, there is no argumentation and no backdoor. You risk the permanent ban of your game account if you involve yourselves in such a trade.

I understand the Zeevex but why does that also apply to the Runes of Magic pre paid diamond cards?

and Zidlef I do spend REAL MONEY on dia's I also spend ingame gold on dia's. One of the best things about the prepaid cards was that if i have the extra ingame gold then I wouldn't need to spend my real cash to buy diamonds.

You closed minded statement about everyone should just buy diamonds and play like i do is invalid.

Diamond sellers in game will disappear as well if selling of the pre paid runes of magic cards becomes a bannable offence

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 8:55pm

I'm closed minded?? loll , they give you the options for getting diamonds and that is the only one you have now, live with it. If you really need extra ingame gold, sell your diamonds, sell gear or crafting items you make. Stop crying about something that made sense for them to remove, increase their revenue. We all know gold sellers were using them to mess up the economy of the game and we have one of the worst one on Reni, all know him. It's funny, i love this game and all the options you have to make gold, and enjoy yourselves.

But do you craft anything? do you only buy your stuff from AH like potion and food? i make a good amount of gold with those and all my guildies get them for free. It's called help your friends and they will help you.

And i don't care if diamonds sellers go away, i buy my own, as a lot in our guild do. We make the best of it and have fun. We don't run TOSH yet, we will soon and learn it, we don't need to be endgamers within a month like a lot do. We run people threw instances as it was done with us when we started and not rushing it. I think the GM's and CM's made their position clear on this issue and should close these threads.

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 8:58pm

I am rather confused as to why people consider this an issue.

Zeevex is no longer as useful as people want to believe it to be. As someone who has purchased thousands of zeevex tokens from players. The only reason why I purchased them was because they were unlocked diamonds. Now with the diamond NPC out and all players having the ability to sell me diamonds. I see no reason to worry about any changes to zeevex or anything else.

Using the diamond NPC allows me to purchase diamonds unlocked for my own account and pay for bank space, dying and house energy. If I want items from the item shop, I buy diamonds from other players.

People don't need zeevex cards to get zeevex tokens any more. With the new partner for zeevex allowing you to convert ANY gift card into zeevex tokens allows people to have access to them as well. (There is a huge list of gift cards they accept and I mean a huge list)

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 9:09pm

Lack of zeevex trading is a problem, because zeevex trading stabilized the economy. During the non-sale days, people who needed gold can not sell diamonds (nobody wants them), so can't get gold for their "diamonds". During the sale days, people who need diamonds can't get them, because there is a buyer frenzy and sellers are nowhere to be found. The market swings between complete buyers market and complete sellers market, frustrating both. And it causes inflation spikes, because at the time when diamonds actually sell, they sell for a lot more (it being seller's market), and that causes the price of everything going up.

It is a process with no winners, and it drives people away. Nobody benefits from this restriction, least of all Frogs/GF who now deal with unhappier customer base. If they enable dia trading for gold (and not just item shop gifting) then it might go away; but that solution has its own problems.

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Tuesday, September 4th 2012, 9:20pm

Quoted from "vfwiffo;568178"

Lack of zeevex trading is a problem, because zeevex trading stabilized the economy. During the non-sale days, people who needed gold can not sell diamonds (nobody wants them), so can't get gold for their "diamonds". During the sale days, people who need diamonds can't get them, because there is a buyer frenzy and sellers are nowhere to be found. The market swings between complete buyers market and complete sellers market, frustrating both. And it causes inflation spikes, because at the time when diamonds actually sell, they sell for a lot more (it being seller's market), and that causes the price of everything going up.

It is a process with no winners, and it drives people away. Nobody benefits from this restriction, least of all Frogs/GF who now deal with unhappier customer base. If they enable dia trading for gold (and not just item shop gifting) then it might go away; but that solution has its own problems.

That attitude is what causes the Economy to destabilise. A major of the US players are spoilt with diamond sales. I remember when I first started playing people use to buy diamonds when it was on sale and when it wasn't on sale ... even with the prices slashed people still refuse to give in. I hope diamond sales get reduced to once per year.

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