Runes of Magic US / AU

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What makes you think they wont?

Any number of statements made over the past two years by various CMs and GMs. The Diamond trade in the Auction House will *not* return in any form. There are simply too many ways for it to be abused.

Quoted from "Malignatus;568543"

Any number of statements made over the past two years by various CMs and GMs. The Diamond trade in the Auction House will *not* return in any form. There are simply too many ways for it to be abused.

Its abused the same way everything else in this game is. You can sell dias on the Ah for gold sellers, you do the same with mana stones.

Given the way things are changing, its worth asking for a reassesment.

Quoted from "Malignatus;568518"

What makes you think that a GM, new or not, would have the power to reinstate the diamond trade via the Auction House? Further, what makes you think that a GM would even consider asking his boss(es) at Gameforge HQ to overturn the company's policy regarding the diamond trade in the Auction House?.

What would be your guess month ago about DiasNPC on NA servers? Would not happen if no1 asked.

Same thing with Dias in NPC. Let's first hear someone with different color font why they are disabled, and what they are preventing with no dias in AH policy. Start from there.

What we are trying to fix and make better is exchange of in game currencies. With gifting, which is not really supported many got scammed.

Of course, if someone post something in AH for DIAS, or like to exchange DIAS for gold or gold for DIAS, there have to be certain level limits. You don't want little guy from Logar selling 100M for 10-12 bucks use his money to get all DIAS from server.

All I am asking GM is just to consider and ask those above, if this might be possibility.

This would help us players and many of trade problems would disappear. You trade in game item (gold) for in game item (DIAS), usable only in game. If someone like to get 2K dias and sell them to buy that end game weapon, let him do it easier way, without risking to be scammed and taken advantage off.

This will also help support not to deal with something they said it is not really their problem, but still are having many tickets reported...

Hate that I can't go back and edit post. Dias in AH, not NPC. Deal with me writing while doing 2-3 other things at the same time.

Quoted from "malignatus;568518"

it seems that gameforge disagrees with you. Since gameforge runs the game...

But let's take a look at your "sophistry" claim. In this example, *you* pay $25 for a rom card but do not redeem it yourself. Instead, you negotiate with another player for x amount of gold in exchange for the code on the back of the card, and then make the transfer. The player gets the card code, which he/she can then redeem for $25 worth of diamonds, which have been deemed to be in-game items. *you* get x amount of gold. This is a real money transaction. There is no real difference between this transaction and negotiating with the same player to deliver x amount of gold to your toon in exchange for $25 being given to him via a paypal transfer. None. There is also no difference between it and negotiating with a gold-seller website to deliver x amount of gold to you via a dodgy item sale in the auction house for the $25 you pay to them. All of them are real money transactions done in different ways.

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Actually there is a HUGE difference... It's trading gold for diamonds that players can spend any way they choose. A paypal transaction pay money for gold is ToS Violation. Read the card it is a pre piad in game item code.

Quoted from "romage;568547"

what would be your guess month ago about diasnpc on na servers? Would not happen if no1 asked.

Same thing with dias in npc. Let's first hear someone with different color font why they are disabled, and what they are preventing with no dias in ah policy. Start from there.

What we are trying to fix and make better is exchange of in game currencies. With gifting, which is not really supported many got scammed.

Of course, if someone post something in ah for dias, or like to exchange dias for gold or gold for dias, there have to be certain level limits. You don't want little guy from logar selling 100m for 10-12 bucks use his money to get all dias from server.

All i am asking gm is just to consider and ask those above, if this might be possibility.

This would help us players and many of trade problems would disappear. You trade in game item (gold) for in game item (dias), usable only in game. If someone like to get 2k dias and sell them to buy that end game weapon, let him do it easier way, without risking to be scammed and taken advantage off.

This will also help support not to deal with something they said it is not really their problem, but still are having many tickets reported...

I agree, thats what I have been discussing... maybe even the implementation of a system similar to this http://tera.enmasse.com/game-guide/chronoscrolls
Players can then buy the cards enter the code into the "in-game" AH or brokering system then other players can purchase them in game.
Protecting and monitoring trades at both ends.

Quoted from "Malignatus;568415"

No, the bottom line is that the RoM cards are purchased with real money *outside* of the game. Trading their codes for in-game items is RMT, which is forbidden by the Terms of Service. *That*, good sir, is the simple fact.

So then any and all diamond trades should be banned, You bought those diamonds for Real Money so selling them is a real money transfer. Where is the distinction between purchasing dia's and selling them in game or selling the entire card at once? Both we purchased with real money.

Quoted from "RoMage;568436"

Why rush? Are you the one who told me you hate people running into end game, (power)leveling without really playing The Game?

450 dias a moth, just 20 DIAS shy from $20 regular price for 9M in game gold.

You will never get endgame on 450 diamonds a month. Ever. Or on 9M gold.

problem is we can't change their mind easily. gameforge made a decision in a looonnnng line of...<jesus paz> decisions.



res please! or clean up aisle 5

Dude, if even I give up after 4 pages, the horse is dead.

Whoever came up with the bit about Tera though, yeah, we need that. Whatever it is. I was too lazy to click the link, but if it's anything like safe trades in game, we want it.

RoM to Gameforge: we wants moar safer trades pls kthxbai!

(yeah, I know. not up to my usual standards. got a new job. tired)

Quoted from "Dionaea;567614"

Just to clarify: The issue is using a payment card and tokens that can be used out of game for other values for ingame gold. Basically you become a goldseller/goldbuyer. If you redeem the card and obtain the free in-game gift code, you can trade the gift code for gold.

If I make a ton of gold and buy a zeevex code off of someone...then turn around and redeem the code on the RoM website or vise verse how is that buying/selling gold? RoM got paid. And endgamers that have a bunch of gold spend a lot of time farming instances for that gold...so guess what? There is an incredibly good chance that they are redeeming that on your site...and you still get paid. If you guys can't keep things under control, then you need to remove Zeevex completely otherwise shut it.

I think they just "everyone" to buy their own diamonds and use on their own accounts.

Simple solution. Make everything in the cash shop that is now available for diamonds or rubies available for gold as well. Have a new tab, with the items at appropriate prices (given that dias are 20k each in-game, make prices reflect that) and have it so those that do not spend real money in this game can still get everything they need FOR this game, without spending cash. Then they will not need to buy diamonds and all will be at peace in the RoM world.

I am so confused now... So just to clarify.

If I buy a Zeevex card, bring it home, redeem the code, buy my diamonds...

Can I now sell the Gift Code (for the adventurers bag) for gold as long as I keep the diamonds?

I seem to be reading conflicting statements.

Quoted from "Slicey;569096"

I am so confused now... So just to clarify.

If I buy a Zeevex card, bring it home, redeem the code, buy my diamonds...

Can I now sell the Gift Code (for the adventurers bag) for gold as long as I keep the diamonds?

I seem to be reading conflicting statements.

You can sill the adventure bag gift code (apperently?)

You can sell the diamonds.

You can buy a zeevex card, and do whatever you want with the zeevex tokens AS LONG as you do not trade the zeevex for ingame gold or items.

You can not trade in game gold or items for out of game money or items.

that mean that u should trade gold-item/item-gold or can be considered a goldseller, also violation of stament 10.4
also all rules have a BLIND SPOT, what happdn if anyone give me free stuff?? oh i need evidence to say is possible that someone give me free stuff or items but i see one GM giving free dagger in Palenque, so all is possible here<---- that should be ilegal for u...... =)

The biggest offenders of this is OP gamers from other countries. If you are from the middle east, or Korea your account should no longer be able to purchase diamonds with Zeevex. People have regular Zeevex sellers so they are going to find a work around.

Quoted from "regentego;569282"

The biggest offenders of this is OP gamers from other countries. If you are from the middle east, or Korea your account should no longer be able to purchase diamonds with Zeevex. People have regular Zeevex sellers so they are going to find a work around.

amen, my country dnt have zeevex, no moneybraker or whatever that want, just CC and how a kid can get a CC?... no way just steal one xD

Quoted from "Malignatus;568518"

It seems that Gameforge disagrees with you. Since Gameforge runs the game...

But let's take a look at your "sophistry" claim. In this example, *you* pay $25 for a RoM card but do not redeem it yourself. Instead, you negotiate with another player for X amount of gold in exchange for the code on the back of the card, and then make the transfer. The player gets the card code, which he/she can then redeem for $25 worth of diamonds, which have been deemed to be in-game items. *You* get X amount of gold. This is a Real Money Transaction. There is no real difference between this transaction and negotiating with the same player to deliver X amount of gold to your toon in exchange for $25 being given to him via a PayPal transfer. None. There is also no difference between it and negotiating with a gold-seller website to deliver X amount of gold to you via a dodgy item sale in the Auction House for the $25 you pay to them. All of them are Real Money Transactions done in different ways.


What makes you think that a GM, new or not, would have the power to reinstate the diamond trade via the Auction House? Further, what makes you think that a GM would even consider asking his boss(es) at Gameforge HQ to overturn the company's policy regarding the diamond trade in the Auction House?.

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There is a huge difference, when you purchase gold from a gold seller gameforge gets none of the money from that sale. When you purchase a game card from someone gameforge still got paid for that card.
With gold sellers you have 2 people benefit, the gold seller and the player player buying the gold.
With card sellers you have 3 people benefiting from the sale, gameforge (for the sale of the card) the person selling the card gets their gold and the person buying the card gets their diamonds. So no matter how you look at this one, gameforge still gets their money.
I'm talking about the fast track cards and not zeevex, as I've never purchased a zeevex card.