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Wednesday, November 7th 2012, 7:30pm

Shield / Reconciliation IV + item shop

Would you like to have Shield IV+ in the IS?

A total of 134 Votes have been submitted.

7%

Yes, and I’m a Tank with at least one Hatred IX Rune or higher (9)

49%

Yes, and I’m a DD or Healer with at least one Reconciliation V Rune or higher (65)

3%

Yes, and I’m a Tank with no Hatred Rune above Tier VIII (4)

26%

Yes, and I’m a DD or Healer with no Reconciliation Rune above Tier IV (35)

4%

No, and I’m a Tank with at least one Hatred IX Rune or higher (5)

7%

No, and I’m a DD or Healer with at least one Reconciliation V Rune or higher (9)

1%

No, and I’m a Tank with no Hatred Rune above Tier VIII (1)

4%

No, and I’m a DD or Healer with no Reconciliation Rune above Tier IV (6)

Dear RoMmunity,

This poll originated on the EU forum boards. We are aware that the IS situation in the past was slightly different for the US but we still would like to include you into this poll and gather your feedback on the matter.

Many of our players discussed the fact that we have not had Shield Runes above Level III in the item shop for a pretty long time. In fact, it was only one occasion on which we had Shield V in the Shop in the EU.
The German community already provided us with a survey that shows their feelings about it.
We’d like to know your global community opinion to include it in further decisions about how to proceed with this item in the item shop.
You can simply participate in the survey or you can tell us what you think in detail.
For the discussion let’s agree on the following rules:


  1. Keep it constructive
    1. “I want” is not constructive feedback, it’s describing your desire for something
    2. “You son of a beholder” is not constructive neither – no need to blame us or your fellow co-players.
    3. In case of rage: go and drink a tea, hit a stone or PK a player, reread your posting and answer after a few corrections


  2. Keep it straight
    1. This discussion is about the Runes “Shield” and following the Rune “Reconciliation”
    2. This discussion has as a subtopic the “aggro-system”
    3. All other topics are not a part of this discussion


  3. Keep it simple
    1. Don’t use full-quotes with “/sign” or similar
      1. Quotes are useful if you want to base your argumentation on it
      2. For a simple opinion count please participate in the survey above


    2. Write structured
      1. use paragraphs
      2. use tightly focused accentuation by formatting (e.g. bold or italic)


    3. Write in a way everybody can understand




Before you start discussing we’d like to provide you with the arguments we could gather so far on the EU side:


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[TR]
[TD]Argument[/TD]
[TD]Pro Shield IV+[/TD]
[TD]Contra Shield IV+[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Availability[/TD]
[TD]Was available once, so a few players have it but all should get the chance.[/TD]
[TD]Was available one time only, so the chances are good that, as time flows, the reconciliation runes will disappear.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Balancing[/TD]
[TD]Some players have reconciliation IV+ runes, some countries even had them in promotions on a regular basis.[/TD]
[TD]With high reconciliation tiers and additional buff-food it is possible to bring aggro down to 0%, this destroys any balancing effect of the aggro system.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Boss Tactics[/TD]
[TD]Some Bosses have an aggro switch and the tanks needs to get it back fast, else the encounter is not playable.[/TD]
[TD]Bosses had aggro switches all the time. Before Reconciliation was available in high Tiers, DDs and Healers gave the Tank time to increase his aggro before they started doing damage/heal.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Challenge[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Reconciliation runes at high tiers take any challenge out of the aggro system.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Fairness[/TD]
[TD]Newer players or younger servers haven't ever had the chance to purchase high shield runes.[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tank Skills[/TD]
[TD]The aggro skills of the Tanks got nerfed, so higher reconciliation runes can compensate this.[/TD]
[TD]Even after the tank skills got nerfed it is still pretty easy to get and keep the aggro.[/TD]
[/TR]



If you have any question do not hesitate to contact us directly via PM.

After two weeks we'll close this thread and create global statistic / feedback sheets for the relevant departments.

We’re looking forward to a good discussion here!
Your Runes of Magic Team

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Wednesday, November 7th 2012, 8:19pm

Can you make some of these options multiple choice? Because I'm a tank, dd and healer with Recons above V and Hatreds above IX (well actually should say Hatred, don't think I have two Hatreds, I might though or I might've sold my other one I forget).

I may be the exception to the rule but, I know of a couple other people who have the same thing.

As far as available once goes though, those runes have been available for a long time, multiple sales etc. If you look at most guilds most older players have them, I'd say over 50% of the population the only ones who really don't are new players who are now disadvantaged.

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Wednesday, November 7th 2012, 8:35pm

I think we should have more usefull stuff on IS instead of runes, like in Sascila Steppes minigame you can get a few nice runes but they're lvl 1 only, you could increase the average of higher lvls or runes on entire game since you can drop any lvl2 rune in the new zone.

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Wednesday, November 7th 2012, 8:37pm

Sorry, too late to change that poll setting :/ Just mention it in your posts if you would have picked more then one choice and I will make sure to have that in the final summary as well.

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Wednesday, November 7th 2012, 8:46pm

definitely need more recons and shield runes on all servers, im a DD and Healer and a recon VII doesnt help much for mages like it used to, however if balancing the aggro rate on the servers is the issue, it could be solved by simply making aggro reduction cap out at 75-80%, thats of course using both recons and food/pots. i know its also been said many times before but permanent ABL are needed as well since DEC's have been removed, not having access to ABL's or DEC's at all times makes trading bound items much more of a hassle, not many people trade any more because they dont want to have to sit in their house for hours just to fix their rep. but definitely need recons and shield runes for a decent or low price, anything over 75 dias in IS isnt worth buying even on sale

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Wednesday, November 7th 2012, 10:17pm

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

What NEEDS to happen is fixing the arcane transmuter for the rune formulas and allowing shields to be made.
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Wednesday, November 7th 2012, 10:35pm

does it really matter?

Quoted from "Dionaea;576510"

Dear RoMmunity,

This poll originated on the EU forum boards. We are aware that the IS situation in the past was slightly different for the US but we still would like to include you into this poll and gather your feedback on the matter.

Many of our players discussed the fact that we have not had Shield Runes above Level III in the item shop for a pretty long time. In fact, it was only one occasion on which we had Shield V in the Shop in the EU.
The German community already provided us with a survey that shows their feelings about it.
We’d like to know your global community opinion to include it in further decisions about how to proceed with this item in the item shop.
You can simply participate in the survey or you can tell us what you think in detail.
For the discussion let’s agree on the following rules:


  1. Keep it constructive
    1. “I want” is not constructive feedback, it’s describing your desire for something
    2. “You son of a beholder” is not constructive neither – no need to blame us or your fellow co-players.
    3. In case of rage: go and drink a tea, hit a stone or PK a player, reread your posting and answer after a few corrections


  2. Keep it straight
    1. This discussion is about the Runes “Shield” and following the Rune “Reconciliation”
    2. This discussion has as a subtopic the “aggro-system”
    3. All other topics are not a part of this discussion


  3. Keep it simple
    1. Don’t use full-quotes with “/sign” or similar
      1. Quotes are useful if you want to base your argumentation on it
      2. For a simple opinion count please participate in the survey above


    2. Write structured
      1. use paragraphs
      2. use tightly focused accentuation by formatting (e.g. bold or italic)


    3. Write in a way everybody can understand




Before you start discussing we’d like to provide you with the arguments we could gather so far on the EU side:


class: cms_table

[TR]
[TD]Argument[/TD]
[TD]Pro Shield IV+[/TD]
[TD]Contra Shield IV+[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Availability[/TD]
[TD]Was available once, so a few players have it but all should get the chance.[/TD]
[TD]Was available one time only, so the chances are good that, as time flows, the reconciliation runes will disappear.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Balancing[/TD]
[TD]Some players have reconciliation IV+ runes, some countries even had them in promotions on a regular basis.[/TD]
[TD]With high reconciliation tiers and additional buff-food it is possible to bring aggro down to 0%, this destroys any balancing effect of the aggro system.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Boss Tactics[/TD]
[TD]Some Bosses have an aggro switch and the tanks needs to get it back fast, else the encounter is not playable.[/TD]
[TD]Bosses had aggro switches all the time. Before Reconciliation was available in high Tiers, DDs and Healers gave the Tank time to increase his aggro before they started doing damage/heal.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Challenge[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Reconciliation runes at high tiers take any challenge out of the aggro system.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Fairness[/TD]
[TD]Newer players or younger servers haven't ever had the chance to purchase high shield runes.[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tank Skills[/TD]
[TD]The aggro skills of the Tanks got nerfed, so higher reconciliation runes can compensate this.[/TD]
[TD]Even after the tank skills got nerfed it is still pretty easy to get and keep the aggro.[/TD]
[/TR]



If you have any question do not hesitate to contact us directly via PM.

After two weeks we'll close this thread and create global statistic / feedback sheets for the relevant departments.

We’re looking forward to a good discussion here!
Your Runes of Magic Team


having a good pet system in place and a good strategy on which direction your going will eliminate any foregoing circumstances. In other words I have a white rabbit pet which will take down my aggro to zero. I understand that higher level bosses may (underlines the next part) require addittional stats to fully benefit from the aggro system however I am hoping to take full advantage on what my pet truly does have to offer.

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Wednesday, November 7th 2012, 10:40pm

Quoted from "Murkalael;576519"

I think we should have more usefull stuff on IS instead of runes, like in Sascila Steppes minigame you can get a few nice runes but they're lvl 1 only, you could increase the average of higher lvls or runes on entire game since you can drop any lvl2 rune in the new zone.


There are other places in game to get the higher rank runes, and at higher tiers. I invite all players to explore and find them. I know of at least two others. If anyone knows of other places, please pm. Thanks.
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Wednesday, November 7th 2012, 10:43pm

Correct me if im wrong, but do we actually have to convince you to put shield/recon runes on sale now? If this is the case that you hear us wanting these runes why cant you put them on sale? I dont see anyone saying no recon runes/shield runes and not offering them anymore doesnt take away from the people that already have them, it only hurts those who are/were not able to get them.
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Wednesday, November 7th 2012, 11:42pm

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

What NEEDS to happen is fixing the arcane transmuter for the rune formulas and allowing shields to be made.


This. If you allowed them to be made you'd probably make more off of AT charges then selling the runes themselves
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Thursday, November 8th 2012, 1:38am

While we are talking about runes, Eve (the rune vendor) would be a great gold sink to bring back.


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Thursday, November 8th 2012, 1:58am

Really?

Quoted from "flare624;576547"

Correct me if im wrong, but do we actually have to convince you to put shield/recon runes on sale now? If this is the case that you hear us wanting these runes why cant you put them on sale? I dont see anyone saying no recon runes/shield runes and not offering them anymore doesnt take away from the people that already have them, it only hurts those who are/were not able to get them.


^+1

Really??? I honestly can't see the reasoning behind NOT putting them in the IS if folks are asking for them - could someone please explain why players would need to submit a poll response like this? I could see if they were asking folks if the runes were no longer necessary and asking to see if it would be detrimental to PULL them - but why not just put them in the IS and let the sales of the items tell if you if players wanted them or not? You JUST put a beetle mount in today's sale - I didn't see a poll asking "should we put a beetle mount up for sale in the IS". Come on sales team, really???

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Thursday, November 8th 2012, 2:30am

Quoted from "bleedingblak;576561"

While we are talking about runes, Eve (the rune vendor) would be a great gold sink to bring back.


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Thursday, November 8th 2012, 5:55am

This poll should really be put in game, because you'll probably get like ... 50 people voting for the poll on the forums, out of the thousands (hopefully, maybe less...) that play this game.
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Thursday, November 8th 2012, 1:05pm

Quoted from "Murkalael;576519"

I think we should have more usefull stuff on IS instead of runes, like in Sascila Steppes minigame you can get a few nice runes but they're lvl 1 only, you could increase the average of higher lvls or runes on entire game since you can drop any lvl2 rune in the new zone.


They just nerfed it couple of updates ago.


Quoted from "camagic;576542"

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

What NEEDS to happen is fixing the arcane transmuter for the rune formulas and allowing shields to be made.

Nah, they should make some money by selling runes, but at reasonable price. I ignored sales where they sold OP runes for 299 dias.

Move like this is what kills this game - giving selected few who were willing to spend money to become even more OP versus making it more affordable, and more people would buy it.

We talked about this so many times, and this is just another try to move dead horse. I don't see big change in future regarding runes.

What should be fixed is amount of runes required to tier up. It is ridiculous.

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Close to 10 mil runes to get to T10?!

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Thursday, November 8th 2012, 1:08pm

Hate inability to edit post.

Nah, it is only 2 MIL T1 runes to make single T10 rune.

Let's not count the charges that you need to get it done.

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Thursday, November 8th 2012, 1:15pm

Well, still no edit your own post, and I decided to count charges as well...

Sorry to those who took adventage of wrong charges sale last weekend, reported 250K in germany still will not get you T10 rune out of T1s.

Too sad that game is called 'runes of magic'... actually it might be correct if you rename cash shop to magic... :D

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Thursday, November 8th 2012, 1:44pm

This is a question about sales, something that Frogs/GF have control over. Admittedly much too high factor of 5 to tier runes is not something they can alter. I would like it go down to 3, sure, that would allow people to tier up without breaking the bank.

Still, that means putting lower level like IV runes on sale does not really provide much help. By the time you tier them to something usable, they become prohibitively expensive.

I am surprised nobody brought the point of two sides of aggro system yet. X runes are available regularly that let you make Hatred X. That means one can buy power to alter aggro balance, but only tanks can do it. DPS can't, especially the single-weapon, high damage in burst mode mages. It would likely to have been better to have lower level runes, but on both sides.
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Thursday, November 8th 2012, 1:50pm

hi all i am 1 of end game tank in us
i had hate X *2 as a K/S and we stil have not a range "aggro" skill "yet"
and 1 night we were at GC HM i was tanking there i used all my aggro skill and food and "have" 1 wws, 3hs hit the boss(under all aggro buff) and 1 mage have recon 8 he just hit 1~2 time and he got OT and got one hitted(die)

i have play a lot of mmo i never see a game that after tank hit all the aggro skill and hit 4 times on the boss and can be aggro/OT by a DD that only hit 1~2times (same lv of gear or low gearat DD "that mage have only GC staff and i full tosh")

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Thursday, November 8th 2012, 1:59pm

Tier up of runes should be fixed as that is part of the problem, and tell you the truth, I am not clear what GF employee can and can not do. As vfwiffo said, it would be best if is 3 runes to tier up, but would be even better if you need 2 runes for next level. As far as we know, it might be just simple switch somewhere in server settings.

I doubt I would get recon X even if on sale, as it will be most likely out of normal price that I am willing to pay. If it was sold at some fair price and we don't need 5 runes to tier up, I would consider even tiering it up... but most likely my recon VII will stay on my staff for a very long time...