Runes of Magic US / AU

Although gashas that gives you a guaranteed item and the proposition of getting an extra is not gambling, but when you have a gasha that might give you one out of 7 items could be considered so in a lot of countries. Do not forget that this game as children playing and showing them what gambling is. But i guess someone somewhere will look into this and we might get free level 50 plussing packages same as when we lost our house chests loll. But different laws in different countries and playing this game we are under German law on North America soil, that one still puzzles me.

Wtf, now we bring laws and regulations into the game? Just Dont Buy Gashas If You dont Like them. >.<
How simple is that?

I Support Gashas Cause Its Still Buying Stuff with My Diamonds. I dont Consider It a Loss in my Book. Just Leave Everything as It Is.

Quoted from "radeon"

Quoted from "Tuulikki"

Quoted from "Tuulikki"

Rofl, really??? Asking for remuneration of any kind for a persons failure to demonstrate some restraint? At what point do players stop QQ and take responsibility for their own actions?

The company IS making a commercial gesture. GF is saying come gamble and spend thousands of diamonds for gashas with horrible drop rates and people flocked to it. Gashas haven't changed. They have never been represented as having good drop rates and subsequently they never have had good drop rates. Sure, some players have gotten lucky in the past but that's all it has been - luck. There is no skill involved in pulling gashas, it's all RNG. The "shame on you" here doesn't belong to the company, it belongs to the players who spent thousands of diamonds this past weekend.

Compulsive gambling is a recognized disorder, so people should get some professional help if it's that much of an issue for them. Blaming others for your addiction is both childish and irresponsible.

Well, normally I would agree with you IF we were playing the game Las Vegas instead of Runes of Magic. We all didn't register to gamble in a casino, we registered to play an MMORPG, so the question is, why does RoM put so much of this 'gambling' aspect into this game? It's not just in gashas, but also in plussing jewels, housemaid pots, even in crafting when refining. Why doesn't RoM just sell the jewels at some high price like 500 dias each instead of putting them into gashas where practically every player feels like they are getting ripped off?

RoM does this for 3 reasons:

1. Jewels along with tiering is the heart of what drives this game, namely to improve your toon through gear.

2. RoM can put the failure rates at whatever ridiculous low percentage they want and make a lot more money rather than just selling them for a fixed price. These rates never have to be disclosed so no one really knows what the true cost is, other than it's a lot.

3. RoM can absolve themselves of any responsibility for, as you say, people's "childishly and irresponsible" inability to control their addictive tendencies, even though RoM is instigating this exact behavior by creating and perpetuating this "gearing casino."

But I'm sure you would argue, "hey, RoM isn't forcing you to improve your gear, it's your choice. You can be perfectly happy with gear at only +12 max." Right?!! Of course, don't expect to do any high level instance or expect to have any fun in siege, because you are just going to be slaughtered by the other guy who has more money to gamble with than you do.

The last problem is that strictly legally RoM I suppose is not offering gambling, but we all know that gashas and plussing jewels and the wheel of fortune are basically forms of gambling. We are wagering REAL money for the chance of getting some prize. I really don't see how this is different than some type of ingame raffle, and raffles are regulated by local and state governments, so I'm not sure if this is even 100% legal.

Oh come off it. So does almost every other MMORPG you play. You're gambling during a dungeon run to pull good gear/stats. You're gambling during any other crafting in any other MMO that you're going to product an OD/Perfect gear or gear with a decent stat.

Hell, if you want to go down this road about gambling, when you attack a monster you're gambling you're going to do 80,000 damage instead of 79,999.

Everything is CHANCE, just as the gasha's are, just as the gasha's have always been and just as they always will be. If you don't like it,

THEN DON'T BUY THEM. Not sure why this is such a hard concept for people to understand. If you spend the 100's of dollars on a gasha and then complain you only got 4 jewels, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. STAHP.

This thread has a title relating to a sale, not hacking, hackers, glitching or bannings. You all know better, let's stick back to the topic, please.

Quoted from "Jguy"

Oh come off it. So does almost every other MMORPG you play. You're gambling during a dungeon run to pull good gear/stats. You're gambling during any other crafting in any other MMO that you're going to product an OD/Perfect gear or gear with a decent stat.

Hell, if you want to go down this road about gambling, when you attack a monster you're gambling you're going to do 80,000 damage instead of 79,999.

Everything is CHANCE, just as the gasha's are, just as the gasha's have always been and just as they always will be. If you don't like it,

THEN DON'T BUY THEM. Not sure why this is such a hard concept for people to understand. If you spend the 100's of dollars on a gasha and then complain you only got 4 jewels, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. STAHP.

Dear lord, don't be such a tool. If you think I'm complaining about not getting a 120 OD item every time you kill a boss, then all I can say is, you really misunderstood what I said. We don't obviously pay a diamond fee every time we enter an instance. If you're referencing my mentioning of housemaid pots and refining waste, those were examples of this chance element that pervades this game even in places where it makes no sense for it to be there. And just because I'm criticizing it doesn't mean I think it has no fitting place in certain areas, like boss drops obviously.

I highly doubt this thread was created with the intent of invoking a semantic argument over the inclusion of chance and luck into every aspect of our lives. That would be like comparing apples to oranges and outside of being yet another desperate attempt to try and defend a stale rhetoric really does nothing more than derail an otherwise earnest discussion.

The discussion at hand is the +17-20 jewels acquired through Gashas. The complaint is two-fold. First, the only way to acquire these jewels is through lottery type bags paid for with real world currency (Gashas) which IS gambling and secondly, many are expressing that they feel the “house” is favored entirely too heavily in the results of these purchases. Obviously the tolerance for gambling is personal to each player. Some players are against it and some either like the gambling aspect or not bothered by it either way. IMO, if players could buy these jewels directly OR have the option to gamble with Gashas then I don’t think anyone would honestly care.

The problem is that is not an option. In order to get the desired goods players are either forced to gamble or not be able to gain the benefits of these products directly (this for the game lawyers out there who will be overly keen to chime in that the use of these jewels can be purchased in game from the lucky gambers….noted).

The bigger issue is that this is an MMORPG, not a poker site or other online gambling site. Players who WANT to gamble have plenty of other options for their gambling outside of the game. Those however who do NOT want to gamble simply do not have an alternative other than to not purchase the product. This obviously favors those more inclined to gamble making RoM that much more pay to win.

Personally I chose not to gamble. It is a personal choice and in making this choice I acknowledge that certain aspects of this game are closed to me. I am ok with that. Others may not be and something as trivial as this might be a game changer for them.