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Monday, January 9th 2012, 5:08am

Bannable to send pets and shoot through walls?

I got video today of a player in siege sending his pet and shooting through the walls in siege. I want to know if I should bother sending the video to get him banned. I already know that I have sent previous video on another player on their guild that was running through walls a month or so ago and that was shadowstepping today, but they never banned last time, so I doubt they would ban this time.

Would they ban if they had proof of the pet and shooting through walls? I am betting no.

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Monday, January 9th 2012, 5:16am

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Monday, January 9th 2012, 5:33am

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Monday, January 9th 2012, 6:37am

More than likely, you'll put in a ticket about it, with the video, and it will remain untouched for 3 days, at which point they'll send you an auto-response confirmation notice to your email saying that it will be closed if they don't hear from you in 3 days, at which point even if you do respond, it will be another 3 days before someone will even think to look at it... and usually when it comes to people being banned or suspended for exploiting or using hacks, or even buying gold apparently, it just really doesn't happen like and when it should.

If you're really frustrated, it might calm your nerves to put in a ticket about it, but after a while of getting the runaround till you reach a brick wall, you'll have something else to be upset about, and the original ticket will just be a distant memory. (At least that's what I assume is the reason things work that way)

Don't get me wrong, they do get around to each ticket, and they do help when they can, but you have to jump through a lot of hoops to get to the point where your ticket is being serviced, and when it comes to something like this, where they can't even notify you if actions WERE taken against the account you identified to be doing these things... It's basically shooting an arrow out of a cannon from an angle into the sky on a bright, sunny day and expecting to see it on it's descent.

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Monday, January 9th 2012, 6:46am

Yeah, I am not even going to bother sending in the ticket. I have never seen anyone banned even with fraps proof. The only bans I hear about from siege are for the fly hack, when it is obviously cheating and not just exploiting a glitch.

I can only siege 1-2 times a week and they will NEVER take it out of Beta, so may as well NEVER send in a ticket because nothing is done unless it is severe.

I used to send tickets all the time for exploiters, but since they never get banned, even a few days, I have given up.

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Monday, January 9th 2012, 7:10pm

Quoted from "xanth444;500325"

I got video today of a player in siege sending his pet and shooting through the walls in siege. I want to know if I should bother sending the video to get him banned. I already know that I have sent previous video on another player on their guild that was running through walls a month or so ago and that was shadowstepping today, but they never banned last time, so I doubt they would ban this time.

Would they ban if they had proof of the pet and shooting through walls? I am betting no.


Are you speaking of a Warden? Or are you talking about any other class?

I don't know of any rulings having to do with a Warden's pet. Since you mention "...sending his pet and shooting through the walls...", I'm going to presume you're talking about the Wd/S pet "Chiron". Off the top of my head--and remember, this is not "official"--I'd say that targeting an opponent through a castle gate and ordering Chiron to attack that opponent is not an exploit. Even if the opponent shortly goes out of the Warden's or Chiron's "line of sight" and continues to be attacked.

Frogster is aware that there are still some lingering line of sight issues in both the game world and in siege. We're hoping that these issues can be eliminated, or at the very least, minimized even further, with future updates.
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Monday, January 9th 2012, 7:30pm

Why don't they make the walls and floor solid in siege? and gates?

We had a Guild the other night that OP us by a lot and it's fine. But we let them to get our crystal because they were one shoting everyone. But then they walk to the second and third floor of the guild castle and shooting us threw the floor on the roof, tell me that is not a major glitch or exploit. Apparently it happens when you have a throne.

I will not post the FRAPS or screenshot of this, because it is pointless. You are already overflowed with tickets. The issue with the warden and the scouts firing threw the gates, we always have that one, our scouts can't shoot from inside our castle , but they can kill us from outside of our own, just ridiculous.

Just make the walls, floors and gates solid and put up a hack shield up. Send GM'S as ghosts in guild for Siege war and you will see what we are talking about. Just gets frustrating that all the answers we get is : We are aware of this. We are looking into it. Please do something about it ;-)



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Monday, January 9th 2012, 7:54pm

Quoted from "Kalvan;500433"

Are you speaking of a Warden? Or are you talking about any other class?

QUOTE]

Sorry, I should have clarified. It was not a warden. It was a pet that comes from magic cavies. I am not sure what the attack was, but it appeared to be a mage/warden because it showed a trail of fire and small rocks along the ground.

Also, can you please fix shadowstep so it does not allow them past the walls anymore? I had 1 rogue shadowstep me through the gate and then re-appeared back on the other side.

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Monday, January 9th 2012, 8:12pm

Quoted from "xanth444;500443"

Quoted from "Kalvan;500433"

Are you speaking of a Warden? Or are you talking about any other class?

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Sorry, I should have clarified. It was not a warden. It was a pet that comes from magic cavies. I am not sure what the attack was, but it appeared to be a mage/warden because it showed a trail of fire and small rocks along the ground.

Also, can you please fix shadowstep so it does not allow them past the walls anymore? I had 1 rogue shadowstep me through the gate and then re-appeared back on the other side.


Sounds like a M/D using their elite tbh, the pet just autoattacks when they use a skill. Magma Blade just isn't effected by Line of Sight at all for some reason, though if you do claim that they're a M/Wd they seem to have a matching elite with the exact same range as the M/D one so it probably has the same LoS issues.

The problem is that RW doesn't feel like fixing all the skills, just most of them, which leads certain classes to have advantages over others.

Also, they should really fix the ability to take towers while in hide, it's really stupid that you're able to.

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Monday, January 9th 2012, 11:55pm

they won't make it bannable, because currently there's no offense to training a guild honor guard into the opponents guild castle with flame towers. While it may be exploiting the system, it's not the fault of the player that the game allows NPCs to run through walls and up cliffs and such...

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Tuesday, January 10th 2012, 12:50am

tech answer

If flames can go through walls as well as the electric charges, then arrows can go through wall.
The pet issue has been addressed.
Stone walls upgrade is the answer.
http://forum.us.runesofmagic.com/showthread.php?t=66503
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Tuesday, January 10th 2012, 3:48pm

Quoted from "Eledhwen;500519"

If flames can go through walls as well as the electric charges, then arrows can go through wall.
The pet issue has been addressed.
Stone walls upgrade is the answer.
http://forum.us.runesofmagic.com/showthread.php?t=66503
have a peek.:)



We are close to enough rubies for upgraded walls, but there is a problem with the upgrade. Apparently during siege an enemy with a lot of speed boosts can jump from the hill in back of the castle right into the upgraded castle because the lower platform is too low.

So, instead of shooting through the walls, they can just jump inside and kill buildings even faster. That hill either needs to be moved further back or the lower platform raised.

That is a SERIOUS problem!

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Tuesday, January 10th 2012, 4:49pm

Good Point

But please remember, this is still in Beta. (SW)
Quality is aware of this and is looking into it also.:D

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Tuesday, January 10th 2012, 7:43pm

Quoted from "xanth444;500443"


Sorry, I should have clarified. It was not a warden. It was a pet that comes from magic cavies. I am not sure what the attack was, but it appeared to be a mage/warden because it showed a trail of fire and small rocks along the ground.

Also, can you please fix shadowstep so it does not allow them past the walls anymore? I had 1 rogue shadowstep me through the gate and then re-appeared back on the other side.


Ah. Since the referenced pet was from a pet egg, there's no "hack" or "exploit" involved. In addition, the owner has no real direct control over the pet.

One thing you may not know about is that if the pet is targeted and is actually inside the castle, it can be killed. At the very least, this might cause a bit of discomfort for its owner (loss of HP when the pet is killed). Makes the owner a bit easier to kill.

As Eledhwen said, certain skills such as the M/D Magma Blade will still hit a target through either walls or gates. QA knows about this--it's part of the ongoing LoS "tweaking" that's yet to be accomplished.

The ability of a Rogue to use Shadow Step to gain access to a castle through an unbreached gate was removed from the game some time ago, early in Chapter IV. It's possible to Shadow Step a target that's on a wall or parapet, so long as the target is within range. So, limit your exposure as best you can.
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Tuesday, January 10th 2012, 8:33pm

stone walls isn't the answer. you may think it is, someone part of the brass may have told you it was, you may have gotten unlucky when you tried something, but believe me, we have the walls upgraded and it changed LoS issues by exactly 0%. scouts/certain mages can still use certain skills right through anything.

the only real benefit i can see is that it tightens up where the enemy players are when attacking a gate making them more susceptible to AoE and piercing arrows.

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Tuesday, January 10th 2012, 8:48pm

Quoted from "Kalvan;500758"

It's possible to Shadow Step a target that's on a wall or parapet, so long as the target is within range. So, limit your exposure as best you can.


I use this all the time, great way of getting into their castle to take out their buildings without being seen. Shadow step someone while in stealth, once you're behind them you just hit escape or vanish and then watch until nobody is around.

Of course I get screamed at for being a cheat using this trick but I can't see how its cheating.

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Tuesday, January 10th 2012, 9:10pm

More misinformation from the employees of Frogster. It seems that some of them are batting 0.000 are getting their facts straight.

Sometimes pets inside the castle *STILL* can not be damaged.

Properly exploited, Shadowstep will *STILL* get you inside the castle with all the gates up.

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Tuesday, January 10th 2012, 9:35pm

there are "windows" on the sides of the gates through wich u can target and fire through. the gate is a total block though. but the windows on the side... yea. check it out.
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Tuesday, January 10th 2012, 10:58pm

Quoted from "Zeylon;500332"

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Original poster didnt discuss a ban or warning on the forum. Might want to read his post all the way through there chief ;)

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Wednesday, January 11th 2012, 8:45pm

Quoted from "UncleMart;500778"

I use this all the time, great way of getting into their castle to take out their buildings without being seen. Shadow step someone while in stealth, once you're behind them you just hit escape or vanish and then watch until nobody is around.

Of course I get screamed at for being a cheat using this trick but I can't see how its cheating.


Using Shadow Step in this way has now been deemed an exploit. If more guild leaders would warn their members about this...

Update: I have edited the above statement so that it is now factually correct. 01-12-2012


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More misinformation from the employees of Frogster. It seems that some of them are batting 0.000 are getting their facts straight.

Sometimes pets inside the castle *STILL* can not be damaged.

Properly exploited, Shadowstep will *STILL* get you inside the castle with all the gates up.


Kindly show me where I provided misinformation regarding the ability to kill pets that gain access to an opponent's castle. While I can provide no photographic or cinematic evidence, I specifically "killed" such a pet during siege last night. I know that my eyes don't lie.

And as I said to Mart above, using Shadow Step on an opponent on top of a wall or parapet in siege is now an exploit. Updated by request, 01/16/12
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