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Friday, January 20th 2012, 4:59pm

What EXACTLY does "drop rate increase" do?

A lot of people think that increasing your drop rate via luck pots, house pots, rogue abilities, and loot runes will increase your chances of getting a good stat/OD gear off of the mem/shell vendors or an OD piece of gear off of a boss. How much truth is there to this assumption? If I could get a moderator/GM to explain what "increase in drop rate" actually does we might be able to finally squash this rumor and prevent a lot of people from wasting time/money.

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Friday, January 20th 2012, 5:06pm

I'm not a moderator or GM, but from experience, I haven't noticed any effect of luck pots on getting a good stat from mem/shell vendors, or an OD piece from a boss.

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Friday, January 20th 2012, 5:08pm

afaik it only increases drop rate from a particular mob. meaning if a mob drops anything , with increase, it drops more often. no increase to quality of what it drops.
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Friday, January 20th 2012, 5:09pm

Frogster don't release such data about the game. If you want to know test it, or trust those players that have.

As far as I am aware - it does not effect these things, only the chance of things dropping not the quality or dura.

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Friday, January 20th 2012, 5:27pm

My experience is the same. I use drop rate potions when farming daily items and production runes. Otherwise, I've not seen that it makes any difference. Character level compared to content level also affects drop rate the same way. Stat pulls and durability are "random" but experience tells me that there is a significantly higher chance to get crap than to get something useful.
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Friday, January 20th 2012, 5:39pm

any chance we can get a GM or Moderator to confirm this?

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Friday, January 20th 2012, 5:51pm

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any chance we can get a GM or Moderator to confirm this?


A tiny chance, yes. Do you have reason to believe we are all wrong? Do share.
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Friday, January 20th 2012, 5:57pm

My experience has been mostly with quest items, but I have experienced huge changes when using the housemaid pot for drop rate when collecting quest items; without it the item would drop every now and then, but with it the item would drop every single mob (in NJF).
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Friday, January 20th 2012, 6:11pm

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A tiny chance, yes. Do you have reason to believe we are all wrong? Do share.


Yeah, you aren't a Moderator/GM. There is a reason I asked for a Moderator/GM in my original post. Forgive me if I'm not completely trusting of the same people who tell me to use my house pots when looting bosses (the same people would be anyone who is NOT a mod/GM. See where I'm going with this?).

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Friday, January 20th 2012, 6:40pm

My assumption is that it does what the desctiption says, increases the rate of drop. increasing the chances of items in the loot table to appear on the mob. Yet I also say it doesn't hurt to use them when trying for stat, quality or dura. Each to his/her own.

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Friday, January 20th 2012, 6:42pm

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Frogster don't release such data about the game. If you want to know test it, or trust those players that have.


No one players are going to answer your question - it doesn't work like that.

Though still no need to take my word for it :)

Also we aren't the ones that recommend you use pots to get better stats - that would be the difference that I would point to. Some one tells you that in say, party chat there is a very limited number of people to contradict it. Here, you have every user of the forum to chip in should someone's voice be emanating from their nether regions.

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Friday, January 20th 2012, 6:55pm

OP, if you think that moderators/GM can give an authoritative answers, think again. They have ability to check *some* things that players can't check; but this is not one of them. This is an area where they can't really provide more accurate answer than an experienced player can.
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Friday, January 20th 2012, 7:09pm

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OP, if you think that moderators/GM can give an authoritative answers, think again. They have ability to check *some* things that players can't check; but this is not one of them. This is an area where they can't really provide more accurate answer than an experienced player can.


Specially Moderators, since in game they're just normal players like everyone, and they have no more information than we do. What you would want is a developer answer and trust me, you're not getting that.
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Friday, January 20th 2012, 7:12pm

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Yeah, you aren't a Moderator/GM. There is a reason I asked for a Moderator/GM in my original post. Forgive me if I'm not completely trusting of the same people who tell me to use my house pots when looting bosses (the same people would be anyone who is NOT a mod/GM. See where I'm going with this?).


GLWT. You can just use a Lucky Target and test it for free. That's what most of us have done, but clearly that is not good enough for you. You have time to do that many times over before you'll hear a definitive answer from a GM. I doubt this is something they even know, unless it be through their own tests.
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Friday, January 20th 2012, 7:30pm

That folks is a great question!:D I have wondered about this as well.
Many in my Guild have no clue either and so I shall tickle the ring tones upstairs for you all.
Hopefully it shall be answered from above.;)

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Friday, January 20th 2012, 7:32pm

I could lie and tell you that it increases your chance to craft an item, or a higher rarity item, or that it adds a bonus to your need or greed rolls, that you have a chance for a 'good' stat or an OD item with a higher drop rate, but it would be just that - a lie. What it does it increase the chance to go farther in the loot table. you will get more sparkly mobs, you will get more loot. Try this - find a mob that drops a production rune (activate or blend for example) that is 5 levels below you. Kill 100 and mark down how many runes you get. Now add some luck - drink a lucky target potion from your house maid, summon your pet with luck bonus, use your lucky frog sigil, summon your little goat of war, drink an AH drop rate potion, be a Rogue, get a festival drop rate blessing if you can, add a loot rune to a weapon and go farm those same 100 mobs. Mark it down. There will be a dramatic difference in the number of runes. As well as gear drops and monster cards. In the old days before bosses generously just spewed out armor and weapons it was useful for that. And possibly in the hunt for a weapon core when it meant something, but that was debatable. Drop rate is for grinders - people who want to farm stacks of dailies, or get more gold per run of KS.
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Friday, January 20th 2012, 7:36pm

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but clearly that is not good enough for you.


Clearly, otherwise I wouldn't have posted the question on the forums in the first place. It warms my heart to know it took you this long to figure that out. The fact of the matter is It's NOT good enough for me. What makes you think I care to hear you tell me that I could test it out many times over for myself before I get a definitive answer (<--a definitive answer is what I am looking for, not conjecture).

Quoted from "BJHawk;503484"

Do share.


I can't help but sense a condescending tone to your posts otherwise I wouldn't be so snide towards you. If I am wrong I apologize.

Here's the thing:

1. I have just as much experience testing this out myself so I don't need you telling me YOUR experience
2. Several people ask whether the pots etc... work in this fashion and all I can tell them is I don't know for sure. Even the most experienced people I know still use the pots, runes, skills because despite all the testing they have done they DON'T KNOW FOR SURE
3. If a reliable source were to tell me one way or the other, we might be able to squash this once and for all

Perhaps I should have been more clear in my original post and prevented the regurgitation of useless information we all apparently already know.

EDIT: Now I am a little upset. If anyone on the forums takes this post personally, I'm sorry. I just wasn't expecting the tone of this thread to change so rapidly.

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Friday, January 20th 2012, 7:52pm

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That folks is a great question!:D I have wondered about this as well.
Many in my Guild have no clue either and so I shall tickle the ring tones upstairs for you all.
Hopefully it shall be answered from above.;)


Finally! A step in the right direction. Thank you for posting something constructive. I really do appreciate your help and I look forward to any answers you can give us. :)

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Friday, January 20th 2012, 8:02pm

@undefind, if I seemed condescending, it is only because you seemed rude. You immediately dismissed everyone's input in favor of someone with a title. I personally think very little of titles, so your response came across as rather conceited. I misunderstood you, and evidently offended you in turn, for which I apologize. Peace.
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Friday, January 20th 2012, 8:05pm

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@undefind, if I seemed condescending, it is only because you seemed rude. You immediately dismissed everyone's input in favor of someone with a title. I personally think very little of titles, so your response came across as rather conceited. I misunderstood you, and evidently offended you in turn, for which I apologize. Peace.


GM's and Moderators know the right people to contact. I dismissed the answers of those that did not have those titles because chances are they can't find the answers. If I seemed rude, it was unintentional. I was just trying to move the thread in the right direction.