Runes of Magic US / AU

It wipes the class. You need the skill reset potion for the tp.

If you do that be sure that you will lose TP in doing so, Support will tell you they can't find it in the database and that you have to buy another one to maybe fix it. Happened to one of our leaders in Disturbed. In the end you lose TP and not getting it back.

screen shot your skills and total tp before you use the reset stone

Quoted from "timthum;530959"

screen shot your skills and total tp before you use the reset stone

Always good advice.

The advice from the users is correct, to retrieve all tp points from your elite skills as well you will need a skill reset potion.

However, the other suggestion is incorrect. All TP land in the same pool, so as long as you use the potion and the fruit you will retrieve back all skill points. You might be under the impression that you lost TP for two reasons:

- Skill cost in TP has changed. So it is all good and well to screen your skill settings to remember where they were, but please also keep an eye on the cost of the skills as you level them up to plan accordingly.

- Find a lag free corner of the world to level up your skills and level them up slowly, do not spam the level up button. There WAS a bug in a previous version which has not resurfaced and caused the total TP to be displayed as 0 although they were not. But this bug is fixed. However if you spam the level up button and suffer from lag, you might accidentally level up a skill higher then you meant to and spend more TP on a skill then you wanted to.

These are just well meant advices, so please don't shoot me

You sayin' ma advice is no good? Why I oughta... :p

Though seriously, screenshotting your stuff is always good. It might not mean much should Support not be able verify what ever the issue at hand is, but is better than not having one.

But my main point would be that if everyone had made a screenshot of their total TP before using a reset stone, this whole myth of missing TP from TP furniture etc, wouldn't exist as all those times that people felt surely they must be able get their skills to a higher level than they can they could accurately see that all the TP was there. Whereas in fact the real reason for this myth is that using a reset stone to put three skills that you don't use from level 25 to 0 makes no appreciable difference to skills that are even above level 50 let alone 60. So someone removes level 15 1h mastery as they use a 2hander, stick Slash up by 5 levels and cannot understand why then they cannot get the rest of their skills back to anything like the previous levels. Must be that TP furniture bonus is lost. Of course, everyone knows about the bug. Just ask anyone.

But screenshotting is sensible. Always has been, always will be. Even is Dio doesn't think so

I was more referring to the statement that you will lose TP for sure from drizztdewrden A lot of players used both items without loosing any TP. Now I do not know of any bug that might have caused the TP to be lost in that particular case or not, but our support can only assist if they can verify the loss.

Screenshots are never wrong.

so just because i leveled a skill prior to changes means i have to suck it up and take a loss.this response doesnt surprise me one bit from a company that appears to not care about the people that are paying.there is a record on the servers as to what levels my skills were at.changing the number of points required to level a skill is just wrong and will fail the players every time.i cant file a complaint because everytime i try the responses are in german.i have given up trying to deal with fail support.some problems lie within the game itself,other problems stem from people not wanting to do a job to its full potential.i will never use a cs item to change skills or class ever again,i refuse to pay to get screwed.sorry Dio but issues like these could be solved easily but they are not.

Back when Ch4 hit, everyone's TP got reset. My guild obviously took all screenshots and wrote down all the numbers, since TP loss is such a common complaint during reset.

Once reset hit, I redistributed, and sure enough, I came up short. I was not the only one - there were many threads about this. People were miffed, outraged and unahappy, many flamey words were hurled and general Frog-abuse was rampant. How could they do this and screw so many people?

So, I started writing a long detailed message proving my case, with all the numbers before and after. After all, I made all the preparation and this was open and shut case.

The message never got posted and the ticket never got submitted. After adding everything, the totals came up even. Not sure how, it certainly felt like a huge TP loss. But it was not. Feeling are worth exactly nothing, and the math, while it contradicted what I saw, proved me wrong.

I asked a bunch of people on forum in the "TP loss" thread to prove their loss, to post the exact numbers for each skill before and after and see if it adds up. After all, everyone felt that they lost it, someone gotta have numbers. None of them could post such a proof. None of guildies could either.

Frogs took the same attitude - "prove that there was a loss, because we dont see one". While I dont have access to ticket system, as far as I know, nobody could provide such a proof. Nobody posted "Aha, I was right and the game did indeed take away my TP and Frogs agreed with me".

So, I am gonna take those threads as just same all, same all. Game is innocent until proven guilty, or rather working until proven not working. And I have yet to see a proof.

Quoted from "vfwiffo;531158"

Back when Ch4 hit, everyone's TP got reset. My guild obviously took all screenshots and wrote down all the numbers, since TP loss is such a common complaint during reset.

Once reset hit, I redistributed, and sure enough, I came up short. I was not the only one - there were many threads about this. People were miffed, outraged and unahappy, many flamey words were hurled and general Frog-abuse was rampant. How could they do this and screw so many people?

So, I started writing a long detailed message proving my case, with all the numbers before and after. After all, I made all the preparation and this was open and shut case.

The message never got posted and the ticket never got submitted. After adding everything, the totals came up even. Not sure how, it certainly felt like a huge TP loss. But it was not. Feeling are worth exactly nothing, and the math, while it contradicted what I saw, proved me wrong.

I asked a bunch of people on forum in the "TP loss" thread to prove their loss, to post the exact numbers for each skill before and after and see if it adds up. After all, everyone felt that they lost it, someone gotta have numbers. None of them could post such a proof. None of guildies could either.

Frogs took the same attitude - "prove that there was a loss, because we dont see one". While I dont have access to ticket system, as far as I know, nobody could provide such a proof. Nobody posted "Aha, I was right and the game did indeed take away my TP and Frogs agreed with me".

So, I am gonna take those threads as just same all, same all. Game is innocent until proven guilty, or rather working until proven not working. And I have yet to see a proof.

Regarding the CH4 reset, the reason ppl thought they lost TP was because the amount of TP per level of skill was increased for certain skills at that time. Most just started resetting their skill levels to the same as they were pre CH4 and therefore it looked as if they lost TP...that seemed to be the only issue most had with the TP at that time.
As you did, I also screenshot my TP totals ( as I will the nite before the CH5 patch) and my total TP was the same for all my toons on all classes.

Out of curiousity, timthum, from what you first posted from Support you have used a FoF and a reset stone. What order did you use them in? Did you use the Fruit first, then the reset stone? Because if you did, it there seems to be a good chance the TP you think are missing are actually still locked in the Elite skills of the class you have forgotten.

I have discussed this with some friends and we could not come to an agreement as to whether the TP in these skills would be effected by a reset stone once the have been made 'inactive' by the FoF. If they were not effected by them the only way to get those TP back would be to use a FoF, regain the class combo and then reset your TP, and use a FoF and rechoose your chosen secondary again.

This is of course all theory crafting - but what can I say, I am incorrigible when it comes to RoM problems. They just don't let me sleep at night if I can't solve them satisfactorily.

If you haven't used a FoF and you don't have evidence that you have a different total of TP, then I would have to assume that you are mistaken as to your TP levels, given lack of any evidence pointing to anything else. I'm sure though, that you are entirely indifferent to my conclusions

well i used the reset stone first. but even after using a second reset stone my skills are not where they should be due to the fact that the number of points required to level skills has changed.yet another fail move by the company.now i have 4 skills that are not at the levels that they were but at least its not 7 skills i can play.it just sucks that i now have to farm enough tp to get wave armor to 49,bone chill to 50,chain of light to 47 and saints blessing to 34 plus i also dont have any tp in my heal skill but it was only 30 something anyways.paying real money to reset my points was the biggest mistake i have made in this game.i will never do it again and evrytime i lvl a skill i will take a screenie.we all know if you dont have screens that you will get nothing unless you are a lawyer.
total tp is the same but froggy or dumbwaker has changed the amount of points it takes to level.