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Tuesday, June 26th 2012, 5:38am

What is classed as a Siege Cheat???

Over the years I have heard it all..... Lets get a post going on what is or isnt a cheat.

1. Using tower guards to take down a gate, cheat or not?
2. Using Honor Guard to take a tower?
3. Placing flames, etc where they can not be hit, ie in walls
4. Being invisible when taking a tower
5. 8 80k rogues that take everything in 15 minutes with a 600 score (LOL)- guild hoppers

I have had all of the above used on me in siege, not to mention the obvious stuff, like flying over the walls....

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Tuesday, June 26th 2012, 5:56am

1,2,3,4,5, not cheats.

flying over the walls, thats another story. I would say a cheat, but could be a localization bug and not necassarrily flying over the walls in their client but only on your view.
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Tuesday, June 26th 2012, 6:03am

I agree Ryaderr...... Same conclusion that I think most have come up with, as mechanics are there for that to happen. I dont use 1 or 3 at all as many call you a cheater when you do, but that is just to keep the drama down (unless they do it to me 1st). And I never use mercs, but that is my personal choice.

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Tuesday, June 26th 2012, 7:58am

Mercs are on the way out. Seeing as noone knows who they are going up against the mercs are a waste of gold if you paid for them. Plus seeing as they cannot be invited into a guild from 1 hour before to 1 hour after siege they are a mute point now. What is concidered a cheat or an exploit is up to Frogster. Take screenies or fraps the perp and send it in.

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Tuesday, June 26th 2012, 7:46pm

5. It took them 15 minutes? What were they; fail?

1. I still fail to see why people get pissed at this, seems a fair strategy; are they upset if we put flame towers outside their walls too?

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Tuesday, June 26th 2012, 7:57pm

Quoted from "Concerned2;541130"

Over the years I have heard it all..... Lets get a post going on what is or isnt a cheat.

1. Using tower guards to take down a gate, cheat or not?
2. Using Honor Guard to take a tower?
3. Placing flames, etc where they can not be hit, ie in walls
4. Being invisible when taking a tower
5. 8 80k rogues that take everything in 15 minutes with a 600 score (LOL)- guild hoppers

I have had all of the above used on me in siege, not to mention the obvious stuff, like flying over the walls....

1. Either they took a lot of effort chaining electric towers (Which you should 1-2 shot) or someone ran back away form the guards to your gate. Not a cheat, just lots of work, or a really bad mistake on your part.
2. No, thats the point of the Honor guard. Along with defending.
3. Position glitch, runewakers fault. To me its the same as putting it on the roof, cant be hit but not a cheat. Just annoying and jerkwadish.
4. Lag. usually out of their control.
5. Fail mercs who are bad at the game.

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Wednesday, June 27th 2012, 2:46am

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As far as mercs go, before I quit the game, my guild did it, not sure if they still do as I don't play anymore. In my case, we did not get paid to help other guilds, we were not fail players, we had limited time nightly to run endgame instances and didn't want to waste an hour in siege for the badges. Badges being the only reason we would even siege. We had multiple alt guilds we signed up to let points drop and switched accordingly when the points became high enough that siege took longer than 10 minutes. The 1 hour block is a joke and doesn't stop anything.

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Wednesday, June 27th 2012, 7:38pm

Quoted from "thebadtouch09;541299"

1. Either they took a lot of effort chaining electric towers (Which you should 1-2 shot) or someone ran back away form the guards to your gate. Not a cheat, just lots of work, or a really bad mistake on your part.
2. No, thats the point of the Honor guard. Along with defending.
3. Position glitch, runewakers fault. To me its the same as putting it on the roof, cant be hit but not a cheat. Just annoying and jerkwadish.
4. Lag. usually out of their control.
5. Fail mercs who are bad at the game.


4. Actually, probably not. Rogues can take a tower in hide. Well, the come out of hide when they start the taking, but can go right back into hide while taking it. The other thing they can do is drop an invisi tower next to the tower while in hide (note the guards must be gone), then take the tower.

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Wednesday, June 27th 2012, 7:53pm

Quoted from "Auros;541611"

4. Actually, probably not. Rogues can take a tower in hide. Well, the come out of hide when they start the taking, but can go right back into hide while taking it. The other thing they can do is drop an invisi tower next to the tower while in hide (note the guards must be gone), then take the tower.


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Warden - Frantic Briar
Warrior - Moon Cleave, Blasting cyclone, Whirlwind...
Champion - Kinetic Burn
Warlock - Beast's Roar

With that said, the only classes that cannot easily get a hidden rogue off a tower within 1-2 seconds are priests & rogues.

& this does not even include all the various dual class elite skills that can be used to get them off the towers... one of which is available to rogue.
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Thursday, June 28th 2012, 6:25am

Quoted from "ShanksROM;541411"

We had multiple alt guilds we signed up to let points drop and switched accordingly when the points became high enough that siege took longer than 10 minutes. The 1 hour block is a joke and doesn't stop anything.

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Lol, everyone knows guilds that manage their points for easy kills, but I seriously think you are the only one who admits they're only good enough to enter 'sure win' sieges.

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Thursday, June 28th 2012, 6:38am

Quoted from "refugee;541751"

Lol, everyone knows guilds that manage their points for easy kills, but I seriously think you are the only one who admits they're only good enough to enter 'sure win' sieges.


We call those guilds that siege on "Easy Mode"

But I mean hey, not everyone's guilds are coordinated enough to win on normal or hard mode :)
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Thursday, June 28th 2012, 5:26pm

Quoted from "flyingltj;541619"

Scout - Shatter star storm
Mage - Thunderstorm
Druid - Sandstorm
Knight - Full Moon Cleave
Warden - Frantic Briar
Warrior - Moon Cleave, Blasting cyclone, Whirlwind...
Champion - Kinetic Burn
Warlock - Beast's Roar

With that said, the only classes that cannot easily get a hidden rogue off a tower within 1-2 seconds are priests & rogues.

& this does not even include all the various dual class elite skills that can be used to get them off the towers... one of which is available to rogue.


That's nice TJ, but doesn't address the point of the OP

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Thursday, June 28th 2012, 6:28pm

I have to agree that it should NOT be possible for a Rogue to go into hide while taking a tower. That's just bull. It's not a cheat.. its just bull that it works.
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Thursday, June 28th 2012, 6:42pm

Quoted from "Borella;541912"

I have to agree that it should NOT be possible for a Rogue to go into hide while taking a tower. That's just bull. It's not a cheat.. its just bull that it works.


Can you use an invis pot to take a tower, I never tried? If so it's no different.

Also just to add, it's possible for every class to go invis while taking a tower. Why should it be bull cause Rogues can do it without taking anything with them?
What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?

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Thursday, June 28th 2012, 6:51pm

Quoted from "ddpmacho;541918"

Can you use an invis pot to take a tower, I never tried? If so it's no different.

Also just to add, it's possible for every class to go invis while taking a tower. Why should it be bull cause Rogues can do it without taking anything with them?


Can't use an invis pot while in combat. A rogue can vanish, escape, w/e it is and hide then take the tower regardless of if they're in combat or not.

Invis pots shouldn't be allowed either. Clicking a tower should bring you out of stealth, no matter how you are achieving that stealth.
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Thursday, June 28th 2012, 6:55pm

You can also attack defenders while taking a tower. Same mechanism, as long as it is an instant cast.

Also, clicking the tower does bring you out of hide, however, you just click hide again to go back in. Note, you cannot do this if you are in combat.

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Thursday, June 28th 2012, 6:59pm

Quoted from "Auros;541923"

You can also attack defenders while taking a tower. Same mechanism, as long as it is an instant cast.

Also, clicking the tower does bring you out of hide, however, you just click hide again to go back in. Note, you cannot do this if you are in combat.


You can't hide, but you CAN vanish, bring yourself out of combat, and hit hide.

Simple, while the castbar for taking a tower is active, you should not be able to use any skills or potions that put you in hide.
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Thursday, June 28th 2012, 6:59pm

Quoted from "Borella;541920"

Can't use an invis pot while in combat. A rogue can vanish, escape, w/e it is and hide then take the tower regardless of if they're in combat or not.

Invis pots shouldn't be allowed either. Clicking a tower should bring you out of stealth, no matter how you are achieving that stealth.


Being a rogue I completely agree, clicking the tower should be considered combat because it's an enemies tower and should take you out of stealth. But there's always invis towers so no matter how anyone feels about it anyone can still go invis to take a tower.
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Thursday, June 28th 2012, 7:30pm

Quoted from "Borella;541924"

You can't hide, but you CAN vanish, bring yourself out of combat, and hit hide.

Simple, while the castbar for taking a tower is active, you should not be able to use any skills or potions that put you in hide.


Im gonna try this tonight :o cover me.

Also, its no different from you capping a tower and iceblading everyone who tries to get close. You keep doing that <3 Cap those towers!

Seriously, it not our fault you can pop instant skills while capping :o fix the tower cap cast.

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Thursday, June 28th 2012, 7:51pm

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