Turning In Quests with Bonus EP but not TP

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Thursday, August 16th 2012, 7:42am

So, it appears we're about to have another 3 days where one gets extra experience points for turning in quests, but not TP. The last one we had, I did a lot of combat, and no quests at all .. and my guild laughed at me. I'm relatively low level (34), and I see a TP-crunch coming, even without any extra EP acquired without matching TP; and it is likely to be a long time before I hit the level cap, and start getting extra TP.

So, I'm looking for opinions. This weekend, should I:
- stay away from RoM
- play normally
- do nothing but combat (again)
- attempt to play 24*7, doing all the quests I can, to get as many levels as possible

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Dangerdude

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Thursday, August 16th 2012, 9:06am

It depends if you want to level slower and take your time, enjoy the game as you like, or if you want to power level. If you want to power level, then Saturday and Sunday are the days to do it (in Coast/Xaveria). You can do two sets of daily at 100% bonus sunday. Wait till 100% starts, do the best exp daily you can, and Monday morning you can do again after daily resets and just before bonus runs out. If you are willing to spend tokens on a daily reset ticket, that would make it even more, but only worth it if you can get all the way to doing the butterflies in Xaveria.

It is either go for all you can for power leveling (and picking up good gear from quests there), or taking it easy and playing like you always do, your choice, or even just spending the day killing mobs at your level and sandbagging daily supplies for later, that way you get the tp you need to go with your xp.

The drawback to power leveling in this manner is you will be weaker than normal at the level for lack of TP, but it isn't like you lose any TP, just a XP gain, and the TP will catch up later.

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Thursday, August 16th 2012, 9:41am

Below level 50, the perceived TP shortfall will be easily recitified once you see what happens after level 50.

One thing to note here is that you are getting your proper TP but bonus XP meaning you will level faster then you normally would. Most people will then move on to the next zone forgetting their skills may not necessarily be as strong as they think.

A new weapon will make a lot of difference though, especially if you can get your hands on a purple drop from one of the lower instances - or a crafted item.

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wenwenni

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Thursday, August 16th 2012, 10:32am

Yes, you are absolutely crazy for not questing. Here's why:

You are looking at this extra xp event completely the wrong way. These events are not meant to punish you by giving you less tp, but rather reward you by giving you more xp. In actuality, you are getting the exact same amount of tp you would get if you were questing at any other time. Here's an example: Let's say you do 10 quests that will give you 100 k xp and 10 k tp in total. When you do these 10 quests on double xp, you will be getting 200 k xp and 10 k tp. So in fact, you are not losing out on any tp, but in fact gaining more xp. Yes, it is true that the amount of tp you have will not be proportionate to the amount of xp you would gain on regular xp, but there aren't enough to quests in game to level all of your classes anyways. Therefore, you should look at 2x xp events as a way to get 72/72/72 on all your classes rather than getting shorted out on tp.

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Thursday, August 16th 2012, 1:06pm

At level 10 you nornally would have earned 10,060 XP and 1,060 TP from quests and kills, now it's 10,060 XP and 530 TP.

At level 20 it would be 100,660 XP and 10,660 TP vs the 100,660 XP and 5,330 TP during a 2x XP event.

To carry it further, if you got from level 1 to 50 during a 2x XP event, you'd have earned 21,650,660 XP and only 1,082,533 TP instead of the 2,165,066 TP you would normally have earned.

And yes, I realize that each time you level up you get bonus TP, though I am not sure how that is calculated. But either way, 2x XP = 1/2 TP no matter how you look at it.

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Thursday, August 16th 2012, 4:05pm

Quoted from "LordKaedric;564907"

At level 10 you nornally would have earned 10,060 XP and 1,060 TP from quests and kills, now it's 10,060 XP and 530 TP.

At level 20 it would be 100,660 XP and 10,660 TP vs the 100,660 XP and 5,330 TP during a 2x XP event.

To carry it further, if you got from level 1 to 50 during a 2x XP event, you'd have earned 21,650,660 XP and only 1,082,533 TP instead of the 2,165,066 TP you would normally have earned.

And yes, I realize that each time you level up you get bonus TP, though I am not sure how that is calculated. But either way, 2x XP = 1/2 TP no matter how you look at it.

2x xp only gives you half the TP.. IF you skip quests. If you still do all the quests, you will get the exact same amount of TP, you'll just get farther with the xp than you previously would. As long as you do all the quests.. you're getting exactly the same amount of TP as if you hadn't done them on double xp.

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Thursday, August 16th 2012, 4:49pm

The OP, brings up a very good point, I myself chose not to quest at all on double EXP days when I was leveling. Most ppl will take full advantage of this, as it does lvl your character alot faster than normally. But it also causes your character to be missing alot of TP, most ppl will say TP doesnt matter, thats their opinions. I have 140-150m TP on my tank right now, most ppl have 60-120m maybe, but I also have maxed out a few nice utility skills for Seige War

, which more than likely play a big role in me beating some one in a duel or whatever. Basically making my character stronger than most every one elses in a sense. Thats how I see it atleast.

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triathalon

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Thursday, August 16th 2012, 5:17pm

where does it state we are getting xp/tp bonus this wknd?

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Neurotic

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Thursday, August 16th 2012, 5:30pm

Quoted from "triathalon;564929"

where does it state we are getting xp/tp bonus this wknd?

http://us.runesofmagic.com/us/newsdetail…o-for-gold.html ... read the new upcoming events,updates on the website,
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tkulu

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Thursday, August 16th 2012, 6:02pm

Personally I use these opportunities to level my second and/or third class. The TP is usually enough to keep my shared skills up, which is all that is available anyway when I am on my main class.

There are not enough quests in the game to level cap two classes, let alone 3. Not utilizing a exp boost is a poor idea, but a very beneficial event if you are smart about the way you do it.

Another use would be to go back to all those lower level quests that you may have passed up in DDC, RF, WC, SL and AV and complete them. At 2x XP, it makes them more palatable and some of those quests open other chains which gives you more TP and exp.

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kobnach

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Thursday, August 16th 2012, 6:43pm

Quoted from "ray1981;564925"

The OP, brings up a very good point, I myself chose not to quest at all on double EXP days when I was leveling. Most ppl will take full advantage of this, as it does lvl your character a lot faster than normally. But it also causes your character to be missing alot of TP, most ppl will say TP doesnt matter, thats their opinions. I have 140-150m TP on my tank right now, most ppl have 60-120m maybe, but I also have maxed out a few nice utility skills for Seige War , which more than likely play a big role in me beating some one in a duel or whatever. Basically making my character stronger than most every one elses in a sense. Thats how I see it at least.

This gives me another idea - simply avoid turning in quests on my primary class during the bonus weekend. I may wind up with my scout side temporarily ahead of my warden side - perhaps by a lot - but if I put the scout TP primarily in skills I can use while playing warden, I'll only feel the crunch when playing scout - and in the long run, it'll probably be getting its xp from dailies done on the warden side.

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kobnach

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Thursday, August 16th 2012, 6:46pm

Quoted from "tkulu;564937"

Personally I use these opportunities to level my second and/or third class. The TP is usually enough to keep my shared skills up, which is all that is available anyway when I am on my main class.

There are not enough quests in the game to level cap two classes, let alone 3. Not utilizing a exp boost is a poor idea, but a very beneficial event if you are smart about the way you do it.

Another use would be to go back to all those lower level quests that you may have passed up in DDC, RF, WC, SL and AV and complete them. At 2x XP, it makes them more palatable and some of those quests open other chains which gives you more TP and exp.

Excellent ideas - thank you.

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Thursday, August 16th 2012, 7:04pm

Borella and wenwenni covered well the explanation for why your guild is right about bonus XP and your original avoidance of them is based on faulty logic. That said, if you are, for some reason, unconvinced by rationale, it is not a bad idea to use the XP on the secondary class where your TP needs are more limited since you only need to max out the general skills on that.

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wenwenni

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Thursday, August 16th 2012, 8:25pm

Quoted from "LordKaedric;564907"

At level 10 you nornally would have earned 10,060 XP and 1,060 TP from quests and kills, now it's 10,060 XP and 530 TP.

At level 20 it would be 100,660 XP and 10,660 TP vs the 100,660 XP and 5,330 TP during a 2x XP event.

To carry it further, if you got from level 1 to 50 during a 2x XP event, you'd have earned 21,650,660 XP and only 1,082,533 TP instead of the 2,165,066 TP you would normally have earned.

And yes, I realize that each time you level up you get bonus TP, though I am not sure how that is calculated. But either way, 2x XP = 1/2 TP no matter how you look at it.

I understand your thinking process, but you're still missing the point that some people have figured out. There are only limited amounts of quests in this game, and whether you do them on regular xp or double xp will result in you getting the exact same amount of tp. If you decide to wait to do those quests on regular xp, you will not be getting more tp as a result.

Yes, you are right that you will be a much higher level without as much tp as someone who quests on regular xp. However, what you don't see is that the amount of tp you are losing out on is very very small compared to the amount of tp you can earn in the higher levels:

Let's use your example of leveling from 1-50 on 2x xp. If you do that, you will have 1,082,533 TP instead of 2,165,066 TP. 2165066-1082533=1,082,533 TP. Okay, so you will be short on about 1 mil tp if you level from 1-50 on 2x xp. However, getting to level 50 opens up the fly daily for you, which can give you 266 k tp per day for about 25 minutes of work. So basically, you can make up the TP in just 4 days. In short, by hanging around in the lower levels of the game because you don't want to quest during 2x xp will actually hurt you in the long run. If questing during regular xp instead of 2x xp will take you a week longer to get to lvl 50, then you actually lost out on tp, because in that week, you could've gotten way more than 1 mil through the fly daily in a week.

My advice to the OP is to level as quickly as you can for 2 reasons,

1) You will get the exact same amount of tp from quests whether you do them on 2x xp or not.
2) By not leveling quickly, you will lose out on the opportunity to earn tons of tp through higher level dailies. There is no point in sticking around in the level 30's or 40's. I guarantee you that the amount of tp you earn by grinding mobs in those levels will be infinitesimally small compared to what you can get in the higher levels. If you look at the big picture, meaning the amount of tp you can earn from level 1-72, then you will see that the amount of tp you can earn at lvl 72 makes the amount of tp you earn from 1-50 look like nothing. Do yourself a favor and level up as quickly as you can so you can gain access to the higher level quests which give all that tp.

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kobnach

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Friday, August 17th 2012, 4:42am

Quoted from "wenwenni;564968"

I understand your thinking process, but you're still missing the point that some people have figured out. There are only limited amounts of quests in this game, and whether you do them on regular xp or double xp will result in you getting the exact same amount of tp. If you decide to wait to do those quests on regular xp, you will not be getting more tp as a result.

Yes, you are right that you will be a much higher level without as much tp as someone who quests on regular xp. However, what you don't see is that the amount of tp you are losing out on is very very small compared to the amount of tp you can earn in the higher levels:

Let's use your example of leveling from 1-50 on 2x xp. If you do that, you will have 1,082,533 TP instead of 2,165,066 TP. 2165066-1082533=1,082,533 TP. Okay, so you will be short on about 1 mil tp if you level from 1-50 on 2x xp. However, getting to level 50 opens up the fly daily for you, which can give you 266 k tp per day for about 25 minutes of work. So basically, you can make up the TP in just 4 days. In short, by hanging around in the lower levels of the game because you don't want to quest during 2x xp will actually hurt you in the long run. If questing during regular xp instead of 2x xp will take you a week longer to get to lvl 50, then you actually lost out on tp, because in that week, you could've gotten way more than 1 mil through the fly daily in a week.

My advice to the OP is to level as quickly as you can for 2 reasons,

1) You will get the exact same amount of tp from quests whether you do them on 2x xp or not.
2) By not leveling quickly, you will lose out on the opportunity to earn tons of tp through higher level dailies. There is no point in sticking around in the level 30's or 40's. I guarantee you that the amount of tp you earn by grinding mobs in those levels will be infinitesimally small compared to what you can get in the higher levels. If you look at the big picture, meaning the amount of tp you can earn from level 1-72, then you will see that the amount of tp you can earn at lvl 72 makes the amount of tp you earn from 1-50 look like nothing. Do yourself a favor and level up as quickly as you can so you can gain access to the higher level quests which give all that tp.

Hmm - the thing I'm worried about is becoming unable to kill mobs higher level than me, unless I get better gear. The result of that is getting bad drops and worse XP while doing all the combat needed for the quests - whereas if one does quests while several levels below the target mobs, one gains oodles of XP, TP, and even saleable junk. As a recent example, I was killing Ystra ice spiders for several levels before I could get the quest(s) for them - and +5 levels gives rather nice combat XP. The more TP I have, proportionate to my level, the less gear I need to handle the same mobs - and I'd really rather not start acquiring expensive gear until I won't have to replace it regularly as I level. (My understanding is I'll probably need to get a better-than-quest-junk weapon around 55 or so, but can leave other gear alone, if I do things right. Of course I me be wrong about that.)

Also, the higher level the mobs I kill are, compared to my level, the more XP (and TP) I get. I believe this is true in absolute terms, not just relative terms; i.e. that ice spider gave me more XP at level 32 than it's doing at level 35 - not just a higher % of the amount I needed in order to level. Assuming I'm not buying quest items, I'll be killing a _lot_ of mobs. How does the XP/TP from that factor in, particularly with a TP-heavy strategy?

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Friday, August 17th 2012, 5:22am

Quest on your main during double xp. It would be stupid to avoid it. Like many have stated already, just do all the quests and you will end up having the same amount of TP as if you quested during normal xp. The TP you get from grinding when questing is garbage. It will not amount to anything once you reach level cap. And even if you leveled completely from 1-72 during normal xp and don't do any other quests after you cap, you will only have 75.1m TP. 75.1m TP won't even let you cap all of your skills, not even close.

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Dellenn

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Friday, August 17th 2012, 7:20am

The choice is yours Kobnach. How do you want to play?

Everything people are telling you is correct. The amount of TP you will be "missing" is quite small. You may not even miss it as you level. What class are you? Some classes are more TP dependent than others, but it's unlikely that you'll need to do any heavy gearing to be able to complete quests between 30-55.

I have been leveling an alt recently, and I found that the green and blue quest rewards in Coast of Opportunity/Xaviera, combined with an overdura white weapon I purchased for 50k gold off the AH were sufficient to allow me to quest comfortably in Ravenfell and Weeping Coast.

Choose whatever path makes you happy. You'll find that there's never enough TP to go around when you hit level cap, and there are potions, orbs, house furniture, and lots of grinding TP to help make up that gap. My main toon has about 130k TP and I still want more more more. There is no such thing as too much TP, but don't obsess over it too much now. Just relax and enjoy the journey.

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wenwenni

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Friday, August 17th 2012, 8:30am

Quoted from "kobnach;565033"

Hmm - the thing I'm worried about is becoming unable to kill mobs higher level than me, unless I get better gear. The result of that is getting bad drops and worse XP while doing all the combat needed for the quests - whereas if one does quests while several levels below the target mobs, one gains oodles of XP, TP, and even saleable junk. As a recent example, I was killing Ystra ice spiders for several levels before I could get the quest(s) for them - and +5 levels gives rather nice combat XP. The more TP I have, proportionate to my level, the less gear I need to handle the same mobs - and I'd really rather not start acquiring expensive gear until I won't have to replace it regularly as I level. (My understanding is I'll probably need to get a better-than-quest-junk weapon around 55 or so, but can leave other gear alone, if I do things right. Of course I me be wrong about that.)

Also, the higher level the mobs I kill are, compared to my level, the more XP (and TP) I get. I believe this is true in absolute terms, not just relative terms; i.e. that ice spider gave me more XP at level 32 than it's doing at level 35 - not just a higher % of the amount I needed in order to level. Assuming I'm not buying quest items, I'll be killing a _lot_ of mobs. How does the XP/TP from that factor in, particularly with a TP-heavy strategy?

Okay, first of all, to clarify what you may have heard about gear in the higher levels, 55 is the magic number. Once you reach level 55, 3 instances (hos in silverspring, zs in aotulia volcano, and dl in aotulia volcano) will drop gear that is far more powerful than anything you will ever see before level 55. And I mean powerful, as in if you were to get the VERY BEST lvl. 54 gear, and compared it to the gear you could get at 55 from those instances mentioned above, the level 54 gear is not even half as good. That is not an exaggeration. You could get a lvl 50 EPIC weapon, and it would look like junk to a level 55 weapon. In fact, when I was using lvl. 55 gear from those 3 instances, I was able to kill lvl. 65 mobs without a problem. So if you're worried about not being able to kill mobs, it won't be a problem once you get to 55, trust me.

The other thing is that most of the xp/tp you get will come from quests instead of grinding mobs. If you like grinding mobs better, then yes you will gain a lot more xp/tp from killing high level mobs, so in that case you should also try to level up. Recently, I was using my lvl. 70 class to kill lvl 64 mobs and was gaining around 300 xp per mob, just to give you some numbers.

Another thing I wanted to point out before but wasn't in-game to check:

The amount of tp to level 1 skill from 1-50: 300 k tp
The amount of tp to level 1 skill from 50-72: 17 mil tp

The point of that: the amount of tp you will gain before lvl 50 is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Get to the higher levels fast so you have access to quests and mobs that can give large amounts of tp.

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Friday, August 17th 2012, 1:05pm

NOOOO, THEY'RE ALL GOING TO LAUGH AT YOU!!!!!

Ignore them. I can tell you as a level 72 that never used ep events(by turning in quest), guild ep towers, house ep bonus, ep potions, ep buffs on my main, that I gained about 80mil tp. This is still not enough for a decent build of a character, but only for a 1 skill player.

But expect the the heartache of ep shortfalls in the level 56-64 range going this route and having to grind/do dailys for between 8-18mil to reach the next level to unlock new quest.

Now on my secondary of scout, I use all dailys to level it up, even during the ep events. This route is useful as there are only a few general skills of the secondary that help the main combo.

to give an idea of the tp
lvl 62 druid using ep events on quest: 27.7 mil tp
lvl 67 scout using ep events on quest: 40.98 mil tp
lvl 72 warden without quest during ep events: 80.1mil tp

I also have another lvl 67 character with that turned in quest during ep events: 37.5mil tp

I recommend just grinding like normal for the event==on your main==. I chose to turn in the highest daily on secondary/third to just get the levels up, and just took the hit in tp for those levels.

edit: an example of butterflies-
266k ep and 26.6k tp
for the event
266k*10(per day/reset)*2(event bonus)=
5320k ep
266k tp

normally to get the 5320k ep requires 20 butterflies, or 2 days worth, so-
266k*20=
5320k ep
but...26.6k tp*20=
530k tp.

clearly, the tp is not the exact same amount for normal quest turn in compared to event quest turn in because more quest are needed to turn in normally to achieve the same ep.

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kobnach

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Friday, August 17th 2012, 7:12pm

Quoted from "wenwenni;565071"

Okay, first of all, to clarify what you may have heard about gear in the higher levels, 55 is the magic number. Once you reach level 55, 3 instances (hos in silverspring, zs in aotulia volcano, and dl in aotulia volcano) will drop gear that is far more powerful than anything you will ever see before level 55. And I mean powerful, as in if you were to get the VERY BEST lvl. 54 gear, and compared it to the gear you could get at 55 from those instances mentioned above, the level 54 gear is not even half as good. That is not an exaggeration. You could get a lvl 50 EPIC weapon, and it would look like junk to a level 55 weapon. In fact, when I was using lvl. 55 gear from those 3 instances, I was able to kill lvl. 65 mobs without a problem. So if you're worried about not being able to kill mobs, it won't be a problem once you get to 55, trust me.

I hadn't realized the difference was that big. So basically I should be thinking "55 or bust" ;-) That's not my usual playing style, as folks have probably gathered - I generally like to savor the low levels, read all the quest dialogue, explore, etc. On the other hand, I am flexible, given a sufficiently good argument.

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