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Er, talismans suck. Not even a lot of priests use them. There's almost no reason to use a tali, even if druids could, because the +heal power increase points really wouldn't make much of a difference. The mdam on the Annelia's shield is the only reason it's viable for druids, imo, because otherwise you're sacrificing too much mdam. Mdam > HPIP for druids, whereas for priests, it's the opposite. Talis don't have mdam, last I checked, but even if they did, there'd be no reason to use them. More mdef? Man, with 10-20k wis, that's totally something druids need more of.

Druids already have to sacrifice to wear a shield. You'll get more mdam out of a 2h staff. It's already a choice between survivability and heals, so it makes no sense to take even the choice of survivability away from druids.

And druids are now being accepted as healers. Now they're finally able to complete with priests on an equal level, and that makes them OP? No Soul Source, no Holy Aura, no Soul Bond, no bubble, and priests will always have the better group heal, not to mention P/K has an easier time keeping people alive in siege with UH. D/S spent years with a completely broken elite that broke their best heal, with no way to get rid of it. The class deserved getting some good elites.

Not saying priests don't need work, because they never got the rebalance that was promised, and the new elites for them totally suck as well, but asking that druids be unable to equip a shield just because some of them got some good elites is plain stupid.

Quoted from "effervescent;574365"

D/S spent years with a completely broken elite that broke their best heal, with no way to get rid of it. The class deserved getting some good elites.

the only issue i have with this..... Is the fact that your saying d/s deserves the better elites because of a broke elite.... but your forgetting about all the other druids -.- "d/s" is not a class... "druid" is.

Quoted from "WhootyHoo;574370"

the only issue i have with this..... Is the fact that your saying d/s deserves the better elites because of a broke elite.... but your forgetting about all the other druids -.- "d/s" is not a class... "druid" is.

Last sentence was referring to all druids. Not just D/S.

D/S and D/W are really the only healers anyone expects to see in a party, and even then, people don't like taking more than one, sometimes two, druids to instances. I'm happy several druid classes are getting decent elites, especially the level 70 ones. The 70 for D/S should have been given to another class, IMO, maybe D/M, and the D/W elites are just total fail, but otherwise they're giving druids sort of an extra boost, which I think they needed. Especially D/Wd.

Still not OP. We'll never have some of the utilities that priests have, or the defense a P/K does. Wouldn't be fair at all to take away any option to use something other than 2handers for those that like the extra defense, or to use in siege.

Quoted from "Gothicbow;574461"

my point is, the website says druids are not SUPPOSE TO BE CAPABLE of wearing shields at all.

The website also doesn't say that any healing class can wear talismans, guess we should take those away from priests, druids can't use em so it's fair.

I hope you do realize the Game's Publisher, Frogster, makes those. Runewaker does not.

As far as getting as much pdef as a priest, D/Wd comes pretty close and what we lack in that pure def we make up in damage reduction skills Elven Amulet is nice every once in a while.

Hell though I like MEP more than Wave Armor.

Quoted from "effervescent;574365"

Er, talismans suck. Not even a lot of priests use them. There's almost no reason to use a tali, even if druids could, because the +heal power increase points really wouldn't make much of a difference. The mdam on the Annelia's shield is the only reason it's viable for druids, imo, because otherwise you're sacrificing too much mdam. Mdam > HPIP for druids, whereas for priests, it's the opposite. Talis don't have mdam, last I checked, but even if they did, there'd be no reason to use them. More mdef? Man, with 10-20k wis, that's totally something druids need more of.

Agreed. Talismans suck. Majorly. For priests and Druids.

Druids already have to sacrifice to wear a shield. You'll get more mdam out of a 2h staff. It's already a choice between survivability and heals, so it makes no sense to take even the choice of survivability away from druids.

And druids are now being accepted as healers. Now they're finally able to complete with priests on an equal level, and that makes them OP? No Soul Source, no Holy Aura, no Soul Bond, no bubble, and priests will always have the better group heal, not to mention P/K has an easier time keeping people alive in siege with UH. D/S spent years with a completely broken elite that broke their best heal, with no way to get rid of it. The class deserved getting some good elites.

Sure, they spent years with a completely broken elite. But they fixed it, AND gave them two insanely good elites. Not to mention, let's be honest here, the 50 elite for most Priests is pretty crappy. The fairies kind of suck, not to mention they die in 9 out of 10 bossfights. 5% more wisdom.. whoopee. About the only two that are even good are the P/S fairy and the P/W fairy.

Not saying priests don't need work, because they never got the rebalance that was promised, and the new elites for them totally suck as well, but asking that druids be unable to equip a shield just because some of them got some good elites is plain stupid.

I just think it's unfair that Druid/Scout in particular got two new ridiculously overpowered elite skill, while not a single Priest got anything good. There's a difference between making Druid/Scout able to be a viable healer (Which they already were... better than a Priest in many instances), and making there be no reason to be a Priest when you could be a Druid/Scout.

Taking Shields away from Druid isn't the answer.. that's just silly. But it's also silly that they keep buffing Druid's (Specifically Druid/Scout), while all Priest has seen since Chapter 4 was released is nerf after nerf after nerf.

hmmm i know of a lot of endgame p/k that prefer anni toy rather than any shield...

Quoted from "Borella;574473"

Taking Shields away from Druid isn't the answer.. that's just silly. But it's also silly that they keep buffing Druid's (Specifically Druid/Scout), while all Priest has seen since Chapter 4 was released is nerf after nerf after nerf.

If you'd read my second post, I said that the 70/70 for D/S should be given to another class. It already is arguably the best druid for healing; doesn't need to be awesome in siege too. I wouldn't mind seeing them give it to D/R or D/M, as those are actually meant to be a bit more offensive. D/S is supposed to be the pure-healing combo of druids.

And priests have needed a rebalance for a long time. I gave up on waiting for one after I realized the couple of nerfs we got in a mini-patch after 4.0 were the entire "priest balance"; that's why I quit the game for a year. As I've mentioned in other threads, the higher level elites had the chance to make less popular or non-viable combos viable, but they're not. I'd love to see P/M or P/R be used more often, and for priests to have more than two heals in general. That's one of the things I love about druids -- it's not just spamming two buttons all the time. It's not a player flaw, it's just RW being too lazy to give priests more viable heals.

Actually, though P/K is the best priest for healing, some of its elites are really useless. As is any elite for any priest combo that gives more wis (wis cap), restores MP (lol50kmanaunbuffed), or incorporates Heal, since they never bothered to do a single thing to that useless waste of mana.

And lol @ the OP caring what the site class descriptions say. They've never been terribly accurate, so basing this whole "nerf druids' pdef!" thread off of what Gameforge decides to write on their site is a completely moronic reason.

Quoted from "FarmerTom;574479"

hmmm i know of a lot of endgame p/k that prefer anni toy rather than any shield...

I have both and use one as often as the other. Tali is nice to have when you have a good tank and actually gives more mdam than the shield thanks to the Miracle rune while shield is epic for buffing to 350k+ pdef and tanking when the tank dies XD