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Saturday, November 24th 2012, 11:59pm

Warden Class Upgrades

Does anyone else think that the Warden alone or at least the Warden/Warrior should be able to wield a shield? I mean, sure they are not the MAIN tanks, but they (to me) need more P.Def! I think that the GM's of RoM have done a great job with the game, but to make it even better, (and I guarantee that many people would LOVE it), the Warden should be able to use a shield! So if anyone wants to help me out with this, please reply to this post or send a GM an e-mail about the situation! Thanks ROMmunity!!

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Sunday, November 25th 2012, 1:20am

Actually, it's always bugged me that the Warden, a melee class, could only wield a Talisman whereas the Druid, a caster, could wield either.

Perhaps the ability to equip a shield could be given to the Warden/Warrior via the same elite skill that allows the option of Plate armor?
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Sunday, November 25th 2012, 3:22am

I would love the ability to wear a shield, but with that must come a 1h weapon mastery, and a reduction of pdef values from either soto or briar shield. Cause wardens don't NEED more pdef. We need more aoe aggro that's all. Pre last warden changes, all wd/w needed as tanks were ranged pulls and interrupts. Nothing more.

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Sunday, November 25th 2012, 3:39am

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Actually, it's always bugged me that the Warden, a melee class, could only wield a Talisman whereas the Druid, a caster, could wield either.

Perhaps the ability to equip a shield could be given to the Warden/Warrior via the same elite skill that allows the option of Plate armor?


Druids can't use talis, actually. It's priests that can use both.

@ topic - Yes, wardens should be able to wield shields, but they would also have to have a 1-h mastery to go along with it, which they currently don't have.

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Sunday, November 25th 2012, 4:07pm

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Does anyone else think that the Warden alone or at least the Warden/Warrior should be able to wield a shield? I mean, sure they are not the MAIN tanks, but they (to me) need more P.Def! I think that the GM's of RoM have done a great job with the game, but to make it even better, (and I guarantee that many people would LOVE it), the Warden should be able to use a shield! So if anyone wants to help me out with this, please reply to this post or send a GM an e-mail about the situation! Thanks ROMmunity!!


Well, to me the P.Def could get a boost besides Plate Armor, and I have a whole page of all the armor, weapons, and stuff for my Wd/W. I REALLY with that a shield could be use and a 1h mastery, for if they could have that, then an Axe/Shield combo would be almost unstoppable! Pulling to me isn't too great for the Wd/W is an off-tank, as the K/W is a pure tank...So just to confirm, how many people SAY YES TO THE WD/W using a SHIELD/1H MASTERY!?!? (Thanks guys!)

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Sunday, November 25th 2012, 7:34pm

Well you know, cuz with all that STR they can't lift up a block of metal to protect themselves... >_>

While most Warden builds generally revolve around 2 handed weapons, I could see why people would want them to use shields.

However, let's look at the facts. Classes that use shields are ones that actually NEED shields.

Examples: Knights need shields to use their shield skills (duh) and be a more effective tank, druids and priests need shields for the precious precious pdef. Well I suppose warriors technically don't NEED shields, but whatever.

Wardens are a class with a LOT of potential, however they're more inclined towards using 2 handed weapons and becoming DPS. That being said, they're also some of the best tanks since they have a whole list of Pdef buffs and various aid from their pets.

I think they're the most flexible and easy to use melee class currently.

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Sunday, November 25th 2012, 8:16pm

You also forget that would require a massive rebalancing of the pdef bonuses wardens get. This is the same reason champions can't use shields. There are buffs that effectively double your pdef and then some more. Knights get a shield mastery and a 62.5% pdef increase, if anything they got the short end of the stick. A warden's utility far outweighs that of a knight
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Monday, November 26th 2012, 5:43am

I agree with sertet. Wardens shouldn't be able to use shields. As for the warrior warden, that could be a heavy dps machine. Don't want to also give it heavy def values. Personally I don't think wardens should wear plate but them's the power of opinions.

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Monday, November 26th 2012, 1:28pm

listen... if a priest can heal themselves 30k per second then a druid/warden should be able to protect themselves whether it be for pvp or pve. Wardens have very little healing and even with their protection buff they have no real protection against pvpers and one blow can easily take out chiron. A shield incorporation wouldn't imbalance the game only offer more to the defense/healing class. I think it should have been thought of when making protection/healing classes versus tank especially on pvp servers.

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Monday, November 26th 2012, 1:30pm

i dont think they should get plate armor just a modification that allows them to wear shields and a 1-h style of weapon that they can already wield 2-h, ex. axe.

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Monday, November 26th 2012, 3:44pm

It's funny how you mention a chiron, the most broken pet in the game (especially for pvp).
Would it be nice to have shields for druids and wardens? Sure. Is it necessary? Absolutely not.

I am by no means extremely well geared as a rogue/knight and have taken out some good players that far outgeared me, the three classes that give me the most trouble are wardens, druids and priests (when they are played well). Asking for more defenses is not a reasonable solution to pvp
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Monday, November 26th 2012, 6:13pm

Yeah, Chiron is one of the most broken. Send it after defenses inside castle...it kills them. If it dies then make another one to do the same thing. After a few minutes all defenses are dead.

How about the crystal pet that is immune to all damage?

And how many Wardens have you seen above 200K hps? More than a few. Seems pretty easy. And you have high PDef. And some healing. And amazing pets. And now you want shields? Yeah, and while we are at it why not a 20 second immune to everything.

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Tuesday, November 27th 2012, 1:17am

Agreed with LonerMan. W/Wd and Wd/W are on the verge of being too overpowering. Give them shield and 1h mastery and it'll be too much. I think many of the classes are well balanced - only exception being rogue. I think everybody has an opinion about how under/overpowered some classes or combo classes are - it's certainly the nature of the game.

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Tuesday, November 27th 2012, 1:28am

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It's funny how you mention a chiron, the most broken pet in the game (especially for pvp).
Would it be nice to have shields for druids and wardens? Sure. Is it necessary? Absolutely not.

I am by no means extremely well geared as a rogue/knight and have taken out some good players that far outgeared me, the three classes that give me the most trouble are wardens, druids and priests (when they are played well). Asking for more defenses is not a reasonable solution to pvp


Druids can use shields, they can't use Talismans. Wardens can use Talismans, but they can't use shields. Priests can use both, does it make sense? Not really, but I don't care that much anymore about that.

As far as asking for more defense for PvP; I'd love some on Druid so that I can catch up to P/Ks since they have both a Sta boost and a higher defense buff.

However this is a Warden topic, I don't know why anyone would want shield on a Warden to be particularly honest all I'm hearing is "Take away my dps so I can be more like Knight", Wardens are fine in the defensive department and you'd be crazy to wear a shield with no masteries as a Warden.

Now at people saying that it's just Wd/W that's strong you guys are crazy, a well geared Wd/S can be almost just as tanky because of the defense buffs and dish out tons of DPS.

Also at this point who is saying W/Wd is OP? It's easy to kill warriors that aren't W/K.

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Tuesday, November 27th 2012, 2:45am

I play a wd/dr which at least on govinda is the least played class and I honestly would have to say I would be significantly too hard to kill from melee builds. As it is I buff to 170k hp and 300 k pdef. With my elites I heal myself every 6 hits or so and also have immune a and pet damage transfers plus two binds/roots. Adding a shield to that would basically make me unkillable to all but the most pew pew of chars. It would not be balanced at all.


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Tuesday, November 27th 2012, 3:09am

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Druids can use shields, they can't use Talismans. Wardens can use Talismans, but they can't use shields. Priests can use both, does it make sense? Not really, but I don't care that much anymore about that.

As far as asking for more defense for PvP; I'd love some on Druid so that I can catch up to P/Ks since they have both a Sta boost and a higher defense buff.

However this is a Warden topic, I don't know why anyone would want shield on a Warden to be particularly honest all I'm hearing is "Take away my dps so I can be more like Knight", Wardens are fine in the defensive department and you'd be crazy to wear a shield with no masteries as a Warden.

Now at people saying that it's just Wd/W that's strong you guys are crazy, a well geared Wd/S can be almost just as tanky because of the defense buffs and dish out tons of DPS.

Also at this point who is saying W/Wd is OP? It's easy to kill warriors that aren't W/K.


*points at kefkai* one example of a druid that i can't kill. I don't really play druid other than for fun on an alt so i never tried wearing a shield. I was operating under the premise that they couldn't wear shields, not that a druid wearing a shield is a bad thing, they are in cloth (unless druid/warrior with the 60 or 70 elite to allow chain?) and can use the defenses. Either way as others have stated warden has an incredible amount of utility and abilities at hand that allow them to survive while still dishing out the damage. I'm not saying nerf them (maybe chiron a bit), but as yodasedsaid it would ruin the existing balance.
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Tuesday, November 27th 2012, 3:28am

Tbh, it would probably make more sense to enable shields just for certain combos -- i.e. the ones that were rebalanced around tanking. Not all warden combos are tanks; some are straight DPS. As said above, though, pdef skills would need to be checked. I know some of the buffs were nerfed before, at least for Wd/W, but shield + certain pdef buffs could give them ungodly pdef.

It certainly wouldn't make sense for Wd/S or Wd/R etc to be able to use shields, as they're not tanks. A reversal of some of the nerfs given to Wd/W would help more than shields for that combo (they could get pretty high pdef before -- more than knights for short periods of time), but it won't happen.

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Tuesday, November 27th 2012, 11:38am

A reversal of some of the nerfs would be best instead of a whole mess of changes.

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Tuesday, November 27th 2012, 12:24pm

Wardens dont need more pdef... i mean are you really serious here? As wd/s i can buff up to 475k pdef.... if i flip to wd/w with my plate gear from mgk... i buff up to 675k pdef, and thats with only hero glorious statting... why... just why would i want to use a shield, i love my two handers and wouldnt want to change a thing. And get over the nerfs that happened like months ago graves. Your not broken, theres nothing wrong with you, wardens are awesome not sure why you cant see this.. (referring to endless posts ive seen of qq over warden changes).
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Tuesday, November 27th 2012, 12:27pm

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Druids can use shields, they can't use Talismans. Wardens can use Talismans, but they can't use shields. Priests can use both, does it make sense? Not really, but I don't care that much anymore about that.

As far as asking for more defense for PvP; I'd love some on Druid so that I can catch up to P/Ks since they have both a Sta boost and a higher defense buff.

However this is a Warden topic, I don't know why anyone would want shield on a Warden to be particularly honest all I'm hearing is "Take away my dps so I can be more like Knight", Wardens are fine in the defensive department and you'd be crazy to wear a shield with no masteries as a Warden.

Now at people saying that it's just Wd/W that's strong you guys are crazy, a well geared Wd/S can be almost just as tanky because of the defense buffs and dish out tons of DPS.

Also at this point who is saying W/Wd is OP? It's easy to kill warriors that aren't W/K.




ANd this comment... more pdef for pvp... hate to bring up a sore subject and a repeat name, but have you tried to kill raves? lol if youd like to learn how to play druid for pvp just Pm him :P
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