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Sunday, January 13th 2013, 7:49am

magic weapon damage versus physical damage

why are mage's weapon's weapon damage for 2-h staves half of what the physical damage is for a same level weapon. Granted scout's do not have comparable weapons either but I'm trying to figure out where the balance is. I haven't seen a staff in game that is comparable to the physical damage.

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Sunday, January 13th 2013, 8:29am

Because staves are meant to be used for magic :P

The only time you should be beating something with your staff is if you didn't kill it before it got in range.

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Sunday, January 13th 2013, 9:39am

I had to read the op a couple of times, but it seems to refer to how 2-h staffs mdam is not compareable to 2h physical weapons pdam of the same level.

Very true that Shackles of the Cursed Face mdam is lower than Kalume's Badge, Lekani's Strength, or Heurton's Basher pdam. And comparing level 75, 65, 60 weapon yields simmilar ratios.

The only thing I could venture a guess at is that ratio is to try and balance the ranged aspect of magic users compared to physical melees.
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Sunday, January 13th 2013, 12:29pm

What I find annoying is that for weapons before L60, the off-category damage does not go up with plussing. If you have your Void Staff plussed, it does not increase physical damage, if you have your Puppet Dagger plussed, you don't get any more magical damage.

Now, that rarely comes into play, but it can. My Warlock/Rogue alt never had much rogue gear, since I never intend to play rogue side. Still, it had to be leveled since WL/R relies on shadowstab so much. And the best way to level the side you don't intend to play is leave his gear junky, but give him good weapon so he can survive mobs for questing.

So, since most of his gear was int and matt statted, he should've been able, as R/WL to get decent DPS out of the magic side. But he could not, and that is because he can't use a staff as R/WL, and plussed daggers only plus the physical side, not magic side. So, all of his matt was doing darn little since the weapon had so little mdam.

Starting at L60, they are plussing both sides, so plussed Raksha or Yawaka Thorn has both phys and magical damage go up. Same goes for every weapon since then, AFAIK.

He is one confused dwarf. As R/WL he wanted to do magic with his dagger; now as WL/R, he is shadowstabbing with his staff. :)
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Monday, January 14th 2013, 1:31am

as a warlock rogue or any magic class that uses two weapons to balance the missing magical damage by having two is just a matter of finding the best weapon that does the most magic damage. In regard's to 2-h staves the overall damage is lower then any 2-h physical damage while still suffering from missing defense in armor. This isn't comparable to a scout because all the scout's attacks can be cast alot faster then any spell that requires a casting time. The only class that can be excluded that i have seen so far is the mage/warden that has an instant earth spell but a very low hi rate. I think mage's damage in general should be comparable to every other class. How would one win against another class unless they had some sort of healing capability?

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Monday, January 14th 2013, 5:07am

pink hat, can't that r/wl get a wand instead?

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Monday, January 14th 2013, 6:42am

Quoted from "bilalab;584434"

pink hat, can't that r/wl get a wand instead?


Nope, no wand. Works the other way, though, wl/r can use dagger. No point in it, since wl/r converts shadowstab to magic and so would not want to use dagger anyway.
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Monday, January 14th 2013, 6:51am

Quoted from "vfwiffo;584436"

Nope, no wand. Works the other way, though, wl/r can use dagger. No point in it, since wl/r converts shadowstab to magic and so would not want to use dagger anyway.


Another one of RoM's unintelligent designs. :)

But honestly, I don't think 2-H Swords and Axes' huge Pdam really makes a difference. Warriors and Knights don't hit any harder than anyone else at 50k-70k even with enormous Pdam, while Rogues with half that amount of Pdam can do as much as 299k Lowblows in siege.

Most likely that they just have different damage formulas. Though I have to say, a staff with 20k Mdam would be nice... :D
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