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Quoted from "chrisusa"

Hi I got two questions I'll post because Im stumped. This ones about tiering armor. There might be threads on this but I cant find them so any help will really be good

So I understand that if I have a piece of armor, lets say a Tier 4 gloves, I can get it up to tier 5 by using Tier 5 mana-stones. I got two problems:

1. If I got a eqipment thats Tier 5 with 6 stats, how do I get it to tier 7? and
2. If I got non-statted equipment, how do I get it to tier 7?

I got no idea.
Thanks for any help.

1: To make a currently T5 stated piece of gear T7 you would have to use 3 Blank T7's. In other words using Purified Fusion Stones with (preferably) clean greens from the new instance to make blank T5's (no stat Fusion Stone). Would need 27 puri's/clean greens to make 3 clean T7 stones.
Of course, this isn't recommended, you're far better off waiting for better gear and saving 6 or so puri's by making a T7 in the same manner but these will have your 6 stats in them. This way you're going strait from unstated T4 gear to T7 stated (of course you need to clean the gear originally for you're 6 good stats to go on).

2: Explained in 1 sorta. Just make 3 T7's with greens from new instance + the 6 stats you want and you're set.

You are looking at it somewhat wrong. You usually put the stats and tier on at the same time. Retiering existing gear is wasteful. You want to tier up the stats you will put on gear to T7 or T8 before you put them on your gear.

From TB to the current zone the tiering up was usually done with fail stats, basically high level bad combination stats. It is fairly complicated method relying on understanding the internal ranking of the stats. Reason it was done was because clean gear that could be used for making blank stones would only make T4. To make blank T5, you would need 3 puries, whereas a fail T5 would take 1 puri, saving you cost of 2 puries. You just needed to make sure to arrange the stats in particular way so that fails don't get used.

This all changed in current zone. New instant, Bethomia, drops L78 greens with no stats on them. Green L78, when stoned, gives you T5. So, you would farm greens, make blanks, tier up your stats with those blanks and then put the T7 or T8 stats on your gear. It will be even easier next zone, when clean T5-making gear is expected to be sold by many vendors.

T6 using clean green 78s

• 3 x level 78 green's (Bethomia) + 3 x PFS => 3 x clean T5 => 1 x clean T6
  
• 6 x level 70+ purples + 6 x PFS => 6 x statted T5 = 2 x statted T6
  
• 1 x clean T6 + 2 x statted T6 + Armor => T6 statted Armor
  

So to T6 an item requires in this way 9 puris and 13 charges.

T7 using clean green 78s

• 21 x level 78 green's (Bethomia) + 21 x PFS => 21 x clean T5 => 7 x clean T6 => 2 x clean t7 + 1 x clean T6
  
• 6 x level 70+ purples + 6 x PFS => 6 x statted T5 => 2 x statted T6 + 1 x clean T6 (from above) => 1 x statted T7
  
• 2 x clean T7 + 1 x statted T7 + Armor => T7 statted Armor
  

So to T7 an item requires in this way 27 puris and 40 charges. Purples in this case can be replaced with Blue level 74+ (both of which with one single stat) and the cleans can be replaced with stats equal in weighting and positioning them correctly as whats generally referred to as "push stats".

Hope that helps a little...

The gain to be had from tiering armor/jewellry is (in my opinion) not worth the cost but others will disagree.

The named stats you put on the item don't change when the tier is raised - only the green unnamed stats, which gain 10% of their original base value for each tier increased.

There's my $0.02 on the matter. I prefer to stat new items & being a Scots cheapskate, I stick with T5 or T6 - whichever I can afford at the time.

Heck, one of my items is Devil Slaughter and because it was statted with level 67 Shell stats, it's still better than some of my higher level gear!!

Arkana showed the example, but overall puri count math is 3 x (3^(Tier - base tier)). If you want T6, it is 3 x (3^1) = 9. For T7, you are looking at 3x(3^2) = 3x9 = 27 puries for each stonel. T8 is 3x(3^3) = 3x27 = 81 puries. T9, and yes, I have seen legitimate T9 statted gear is whopping 243.

Use addon like Character Plan (excellent addon, btw) to see the effect of tiering on your gear. As Yrcanos mentioned, it is very often not worth to tier up gear high. Only so-called ghost stats go up and not all of them, which is why addon is so helpful. You usually want to invest into higher tier for pieces that give you tier-based damage or crit only.

or other important stuff like defense if you are a tank class. Chest and Shield, and anything with a stamina ghost stat comes to mind. (items that get stamina from plussing AND have a stamina ghost stat are just pure win for a tank and worth to tier6/7 or whatever your budget allows (above 8 is usually stupid - we're not at level82 yet where i would expect items to have tier5 as BASE and tier6 only gets you 10% ... then again clean t5 will be available from npcs)

Quoted from "chrisusa"

Oh my ..... wow, lots of puris there haha!

I had a thought yesterday about the amount of puris being used, just going to spit out a half-cocked idea.

What if by using fusion stones, perhaps with identical stats (eg, +3wis +3sta), tier them up with excellent belts or something to say, T7, use the attribute removers to create the blanks -- can they be used to tier the equipment?

This is certainly a page to bookmark. T6 may be do-able. Thanks all for yur input!

Sure, you'll be able to make T7 stones with identical stats for much cheaper than what it would be if you used Puris, but you'd be stuck with 3 dirty stats or no stats at all. To add attributes to an item, the Mana Stones need to be the same tier or higher than the item in question. If you made your item T7 before cleaning it, for example, you'll need T7 mana stones to add to it again. (I haven't done any serious Transmutor use since 2009, so this may have changed.)

You'll find that keeping an item T5 might be more worth your while than tiering it up. For example, I looked at the Protection of the Cold plate helmet in CharPlan and jotted some numbers:

Stats will be in this order PDEF/MDEF/HP/PATK/PARRY
Base: 4263/2222/3164/1524/254
Base (OD): 5115.6/2666.4/3796.8/1828.8/304.8
T5 (OD): 5627.2/2933/4176.5/2011.7/335.3
T7 (OD): 6650.3/3466.3/4935.8/2377.4/396.2

Difference between T7 and T5:
1023.1 P. Def
533.3 M. Def
759.3 HP
365.7 P. Atk
60.9 Parry Rate

Is that worth 3 stats and a whole lot of cash? Ancient Cruelty IX in one of those 3 stats will give 408 P. Atk and 1060.8 HP, which covers 2 of the losses and then some. Lightning of the Remains IX adds 890.4 to both defenses, almost recouping the P. Defense loss. Can't really get Parry rate out of abilities though. I just grabbed these attributes out of thin air; you might be able to do better.

Point is, when it comes to armor, you're going to get a lot more from statting then you will tiering with dirty stats. If you do choose to tier, you're just going to have to use puris or you'll be losing stats.

Quoted from "chrisusa"

What if by using fusion stones, perhaps with identical stats (eg, +3wis +3sta), tier them up with excellent belts or something to say, T7, use the attribute removers to create the blanks -- can they be used to tier the equipment?

You can't remove the stats from tier stones with attribute remover - those just work on gear. So this wont work. There is no workaround for this.

Real calculation is usually between T5, T6 and T7.

To make gear T5 you need 6 stats. To make it T6, you need 9, so 3 extra puries. 3 puries * 19 dias/puri = 57 dias, or 5.7 mil extra if dias are at 100k. 5.7 mil for a tier is cheap, thus T6 is well worth is and nobody makes T5 gear. T6 is no-brainer.

Now, if you were going T7, you would need 18 more than T6. 18 puries * 19 dias/puri = 342 dias, or 34.2 mil. That is relatively expensive tier and you have to think if you are getting your money's worth.

T8 over T7 is 54 puries. That is 102.6 mil more for the next tier. No, thanks. Rich people can afford it, most can't.

And dont forget that you are getting just bonuses on ghost stats out of that, not bonuses to stats you put on. Well, as Yoman said, also defense, which is of concern mostly to tanks only and to some healers.