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Wednesday, December 11th 2013, 2:20am

Question about Honor Guard

so a I hear rumors chaining honor guard to take down gates is now bannable. true? not true? if true, link to post clarifying this?

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Wednesday, December 11th 2013, 3:09am

News to me but I'm very interested in hearing an official response to this.

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Wednesday, December 11th 2013, 4:09am

rumor I heard was several guilds had members banned for this. don't know who, don't know wich server, like I said rumors. trying to find facts to pass on to the people that are spreading the rumor. I think it is just a rumor anyway.
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Wednesday, December 11th 2013, 4:11am

After I saw this post I went to IRC to ask there. I was told they couldn't give me an answer in IRC but once a decision was made on it they would post it. Here's hoping it doesn't take too long to get that answer.

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Wednesday, December 11th 2013, 1:54pm

My guild stopped using this strategy a long time ago as scrolls are just faster and easier. I think it should be allowed. If the other guild cannot stop you from putting up 4 or 5 electric towers next to their own castle then you probably won't win anyway. The guards can take a minute to actually chain aggro to the gate also if I remember that right. If people started doing this again, both guilds would just need to drop a good player at the back towers to keep an eye on everything.

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Wednesday, December 11th 2013, 2:44pm

I normally only see scrolls doing one tic of damage. It my impression there is something wrong with them. Anyhow, I've seen several guilds use thise strat over the years. Had never heard dont do it till last night.
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Wednesday, December 11th 2013, 3:09pm

The scrolls were changed a few patches ago. They now do a flat 10% damage on a target, but they now have effects that can be used against players.

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Wednesday, December 11th 2013, 3:47pm

Tornado + 3 scrolls. Gate is down in 5 seconds or so.

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Wednesday, December 11th 2013, 4:01pm

Bring back catapults and rams! :( Well they are still there but practically made of construction paper and popsicle sticks.
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Wednesday, December 11th 2013, 5:57pm

This is off topic but to make siege vehicles relevant they would need to eliminate scrolls on gates, nerf tornado, and give them alot more hp and defense.

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Wednesday, December 11th 2013, 6:53pm

The last time I got into a movable siege vehicle I fell through the floor and had to kill RoM through the Task Manager (since you couldn't get out of SW while in a Siege vehicle and being out of bounds means you can't get out of the vehicle). Perhaps they should fix them being buggy before they beef them up or we'll hear complaints that they're too buggy and unusable.

As far as the Honor Guard being chained to take down a gate: I think it's a pretty legitimate strategy although I can say I don't see it often and our guild does it very rarely. If the Honor Guard is coaxed INSIDE the castle while the gates are still up, there's definitely something wrong with that and should be bannable/wrong in general. The Honor Guard is practically a member of the team.

Think of it this way: The Honor Guard is killable. A tornado is not killable unless you interrupt the cast or kill the Herlad before he casts. Which would you rather have?

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Wednesday, December 11th 2013, 7:19pm

If the Honor Guard is coaxed INSIDE the castle while the gates are still up, there's definitely something wrong with that and should be bannable/wrong in general.
That reminds me, If you are facing a guild that does use the honor guard strategy and you set up defences inside your castle. Before/After that honor guard takes the gate down he will also get chain aggroed into the castle.

I have seen this work in favor and against the guild being attacked.
- sometimes the honor guard ignores the gate and goes into the castle and you kill him thus destroying the whole strategy.
- honor guard ignores gate and takes our your buildings (very very bad)

The honor guard is unpredictable in his chain aggro, so if the strategy is allowed it would be hard to ban players for aggro if they go for the gates.

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Wednesday, December 11th 2013, 7:25pm

After I saw this post I went to IRC to ask there. I was told they couldn't give me an answer in IRC but once a decision was made on it they would post it. Here's hoping it doesn't take too long to get that answer.


As Ziav has mentioned already, a decision has not been made yet, as soon as a clear decision is made we will post it in this thread, until then your best chance of avoiding a possible ban would be to just not use this tactic for now.
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Thursday, December 12th 2013, 12:47am

well heres my take on the whole matter. I was in a guild, until last night, that said doing this was bannable offense. that they knew people who had been banned for doing this. my argument was, the rules allow it, no official decision said otherwise. far as I know. if the rules allow something, why not use it right? it is war after all? some background.

I was here when wardens were told they could not use their buffs in siege. I was here when treaches took down gates. same with rogue bleeds. ive seen it all. so if function of the game, working as intended allows something, I intend to fully use it. the guild I was in has "special rules" that they adhere to. they then complain because guilds they face don't. the honor guard being one of their special rules. I since left the guild because, well, that's silly to go into battle against someone who within the rules engages in battle. and then to complain because they did something, that as far as I know is within those rules.

If you go to war, the enemy shoots, you shoot back right? and btw, siege engines are op for taking down gates, if u can get them there. they no longer bunny hop across the bridge. and they have this op buff now that ups damage, but you gotta have more than one person in it.

Edit: even if a decision is made, how is the general population of ROM to know? most decision that are made regarding siege are only made on forums. for folks that don't frequent the forums, wich a HUGE part of the rom population, how do they know?
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Thursday, December 12th 2013, 7:24pm

If the honor guard is the difference between keeping your castle and losing... well.. you're really bad. The honor guard is *not* difficult to kill, especially if you're defending your gates like you should be. Why are you giving them the time TO coax the honor guard close enough.
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Thursday, December 12th 2013, 7:40pm

Wasn't giving them time to. The guild I was with was up in arms about it. Saying it was a bannable offens. I said it was nt from whaat I understand. They wouldn't hear none of it. Deccrying how deplorable it is to use that as a st rat. I have since left them and started my own guild.
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Thursday, December 12th 2013, 9:10pm

Daym, what is wrong with me? I have to agree with Borella again. We faced several guilds that attempted to lure guards inside yet did not do any of their own assaults. It is a losing strategy. Guards are easy to kill, honor guard included. Heck, our usual counter to this, if we can't last long enough at tower to kill the guards, is to build catapult, lure them to it and kill them there. Guards are wimps.

*grumble grumble* broken clock being right again *grumble*

And unless GF overrules me, I don't see how it is a bannable offense. Those usually involve shady tactics that bring you great benefit at little effort. This one is reverse - brings little benefit at great effort.
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Thursday, December 12th 2013, 10:12pm

I have seen this tactic since my very first sw and i dont see this as an exploit or even shady.
I remember a siege that our opponents did this to us and we left 2 in our castle then the rest o us went and scrolled there gate.
They were not happy but we also took everything in their castle down.
My opinion is not a bannable offence.
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Thursday, December 12th 2013, 11:08pm

IMO its a cheap exploit. We've always frowned upon the use of questionable tactics, its bad sportsmanship. I could almost understand if the guilds using these tactics were not strong enough to take down a gate but most of the time the main offenders are end-game overpowered guilds.... its the do anything to win mentality. :mad:
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Friday, December 13th 2013, 12:27am

Well, winning, within the bounds of current rom rules is totally acceptable agreed? Using honor guard in this fashion is not using a third party program. its not an unfair advantage as if u farm the merits, u too can do it. and if your guild is noob enough to heavily defend your gate with electric towers, you will invite him all by your own actions.

Look, its siege WAR. not siege tag football. All strats within the bounds of the current rules are open game. next thing you know guilds who cant afford the upgrade cost to add a throne will complain because they cant get scrolls. I don't think this is a exploit. I don't think it is, nor should it be. code the honor guard so it cant do that. don't punish players for it. don't punish customers for it ya know?

edit:i notice this post was reported. what in the world for?
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