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elminses

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Thursday, September 22nd 2011, 6:18pm

P2P would be a great idea.

BUT!

You would have to do it in this manner. A completely new set of only pay to play servers, or just one test server. All players would start fresh, and there would be no diamonds purchase with real money. All item shop items would need to be changed to tokens, and tokens earned in varius ways outside of dailies, or no limit on dailies.

Or

all item shop things are purchable for gold/are drops from mobs/quests/dungeons.

you can't mix p2p and f2p with dia on the same server with how dependent this game is on diamonds, it has to be one or the other.

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Thursday, September 22nd 2011, 6:19pm

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You would not need to trade or sell to other account, the option- meaning you can turn it off and on, when ever you want with the same account. Of couarse if you pay 3-6-12 month payment you get a discount so ur locked in for that time, but even if you go month to month. So what if you are all geared out and switch back to free to play. How is that any different from gearing out now with your or someone elses d's. when you done you stop buying D's for those reasons.

Why do some of you guys keep posting responses worrying about Froggy bottom line more then your own. With the, "option", Froggy gets payed ether way, so don't worrie about how much or little they make, because they still get payed. You should instead worry about your wallets or bank account. I don't see why some of you guys are so quick to shot down an affordable idea, whitch in turn means, you are set in imbracing this very expensive way of playing now. This game at it's current rate, if you are a modest D buyer is 20-50 dollars a month, with some paying way more.


Frogster's bottom line = life of this game. If you enjoy playing the game, you should also be worried about Frogster's bottom line. If they don't have enough revenue to keep the game going, they will shut it down.
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Thursday, September 22nd 2011, 6:49pm

Or simplier yet.

Pay to play gives the account access to all bags/banks and dailies can be repeated as many times as they want, items would be purchable through tokens.

level cap on dailies, so a lvl 50 can't be killing lvl 1 boars.

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Thursday, September 22nd 2011, 7:03pm

Quoted from "elminses;466419"

Or simplier yet.

Pay to play gives the account access to all bags/banks and dailies can be repeated as many times as they want, items would be purchable through tokens.

level cap on dailies, so a lvl 50 can't be killing lvl 1 boars.


Lol...that would still be just as unbalancing, if you could farm phirius tokens and thus buy CS items even easier than using gold. O.o

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Thursday, September 22nd 2011, 7:31pm

Remember its "F2P" doesnt mean you can do all content without paying or buying stuff from those who do pay xD

Telling you all right now in my honest opinion, if no one were to buy stuff from the Item cash shop, the highest stats youll see on a person is crimson stats, with HoS-WA gear. RT would be impossible, DL would be insanely hard, youll only be wearing 3 crimson stats, 3 dirty low green stats, unless you bought a pury from the token shop, which would take you about 11 days to get 1 pury :D

soooo a month or so to stat 1 piece of gear i you use puries (3 stats = 1 month, 2 months for 6 stats)

The game may cost a lot but i still enjoy its dungeons, sadly i cant do the new ones, people dont want players with 31k hp doing sardo sadly :< even if they carry the best weapon currently in the game T10

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Friday, September 23rd 2011, 4:26am

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Telling you all right now in my honest opinion, if no one were to buy stuff from the Item cash shop, the highest stats youll see on a person is crimson stats, with HoS-WA gear. RT would be impossible, DL would be insanely hard, youll only be wearing 3 crimson stats, 3 dirty low green stats, unless you bought a pury from the token shop, which would take you about 11 days to get 1 pury :D


Actually you can use 1 or 2 stat fusion stones, or if 3 stat stones, at least use X-XI-XII or better Codex fusion stones. People could do DoD, GC-EM, and WA. RT? Yeah, perhaps not.
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Friday, September 23rd 2011, 7:15am

Hey Bjhawk glad to see you haven't given up completely on this thread, and sorry I couldn't debate you guys more today as I had classes all day.

So here we go. Sense most who have posted that they are so concerned about putting in a two option system and shocking the player base in such a way that ever mmo in the mmo universe would feel it. How about we go this route.

(Idea formed from elminses previous post)
FA starts a whole new server. On that new server it has the two option system. Thus not changing any of the current servers, so avoiding all your doom and gloom predictions on poor O FA's bottom line. For all the players that don't like or don't want to be on that server you can just stay were you are. For players like me and others that want to try it we can reroll on that server. Also new players could decide to pick from all the free-to-play servers or the two option server. every player that starts on the new server would be going from a fresh start, so no hordes of gold just sitting around. Would it really be that hard for FA to do a test run on a new server?
So I would like for everyone now to base there comments, feedback, and opinions based on this new idea.

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Friday, September 23rd 2011, 11:48am

This looks like just another gold sink idea that is connected to diamonds.

pay $10 and you can buy cash shop items with gold at a rate of 70k/dia for a month (with a limit something like 10k diamonds and no gifting)

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A diamond NPC that lets anyone buy diamonds at a rate of 80k/dia

Both basically the same, and the rates FA would use.

RW/FA already have their gold sinks planned they are just waiting to make sure it is safe to release them. As long as gold sellers are duping gold and botting vendor trash/quests they wont release a gold sink.

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Friday, September 23rd 2011, 5:44pm

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Hey Bjhawk glad to see you haven't given up completely on this thread, and sorry I couldn't debate you guys more today as I had classes all day.

So here we go. Sense most who have posted that they are so concerned about putting in a two option system and shocking the player base in such a way that ever mmo in the mmo universe would feel it. How about we go this route.

(Idea formed from elminses previous post)
FA starts a whole new server. On that new server it has the two option system. Thus not changing any of the current servers, so avoiding all your doom and gloom predictions on poor O FA's bottom line. For all the players that don't like or don't want to be on that server you can just stay were you are. For players like me and others that want to try it we can reroll on that server. Also new players could decide to pick from all the free-to-play servers or the two option server. every player that starts on the new server would be going from a fresh start, so no hordes of gold just sitting around. Would it really be that hard for FA to do a test run on a new server?
So I would like for everyone now to base there comments, feedback, and opinions based on this new idea.


Theoretically, if they started on a whole new server, I could see that system working. I'd be interested to see if it could support itself when the neighboring servers are f2p, p2w. I wonder how much of the population considers themselves somewhere between the two extremes....
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Monday, September 26th 2011, 7:40pm

Here is a good example of why I would rather have the option to pay monthly. I just got to 67 over the dbl exp weekend, thanks FA for that, but now I'm reading rummers that new stats and new lvl cap may be coming out in november-december time. So i'm going to regear and restat now that i'm 67, just to have me behind again in a couple of months. Like everyone knows it's not cheap to gear and stat, and just to do it all over agian is just to much.
lol, but is that going to stop me from gearing now? well no. but I wish I just had the option to do it cheaper. All I'm asking is just for the option to pay monthly, come on FA. is it really that much to ask for. lol

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Monday, September 26th 2011, 9:45pm

...Why would FA make things cheaper for anyone just because it's convenient for you? If no one had to pay as much as they do now to re-gear, that means FA's getting less money; that makes sense, from a business perspective, how?

Endgame is expensive, and it's expensive to re-gear. This game is a huge money sink...but they're not going to cut their profits and make all the big selling items free just to people who pay 10 bucks a month...as opposed to the 50-100 bucks they'd have to pay monthly to buy those items as it is now. I'm all for CS items being reduced in prices, but this is asking a bit much.

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Tuesday, September 27th 2011, 6:16am

Why would FA make things cheaper? Well because more players like me would pay the cheaper price. I certianly do not bay more then 10 dollars a month on this game, and it does not cost me a lot to restat. A lot of time yes, but not money.
And a pay-to-play option would be at the stander 15+ per month, with lower prices going for longer buy ins, such as 3-6-12 month options.

but useing your logic, lets say maybe 10 percent of player base spend 50-100 dollars, but not every month,(say most months), and what if 40 percent payed 15 dollars a month, now tell me what makes more business sense. O but wait. my plan is to have both options. with most posters missing that all together. this means FA gets money from both. what a win win. I swear you guys argue for FA's profits so much and don't stop to think that there going to get payed regardles. And how is anything for free when you paying for it, that statement was not even logical.

Having a pay-to-play and a free-to-play option side by side makes both big spenders and low spenders happy, and like I state over and over, FA still gets paid.
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