Runes of Magic US / AU

I don't think this would be a possibility without the inclusion of complete class wipes, as Humans cannot be Wardens or druids, and elves cannot be knights or priests. If something like this were implemented, a full character wipe would be required to prevent people from exploiting the item and creating classes that were never meant to be... which would probably result in people complaining on the forums that they don't have any knight/warden elites...

What? I want to be the Mermaid Race.

This is part of the class balance. If there was a Priest/Druid or a Knight/Warden....then the balance would be removed. It's there for a reason. If you wanted to play a Warden, create another toon.

Personally I would love this item. Just make it so you need to first erase (FoF) any classes that are race-restricted, then use it (or have it erase any race-restricted classes itself). I don't see the problem with it.

No. Just...no.

I would like to see a race change item...but obviously not one that allows currently impossible combinations. I'm not a huge fan of the 3-class system...if you see my sig you'll see why I think it's pointless (and that's only my high level toons.)

That being said, I'd really wouldn't mind adding either /k or /p to my r/s...which sadly is an elf. Since we had no reason to believe a 3rd class was going to be released when we started (or at least, I didn't), it's too bad neither of those is an option for me now. Not something I stress over daily, but I'd certainly buy the item if it was available, even if it was like 500 dias I'd scoop it up in a heartbeat.

No biggie, but +1 for the idea...

Quoted from "barbrady123;481806"

That being said, I'd really wouldn't mind adding either /k or /p to my r/s...which sadly is an elf. Since we had no reason to believe a 3rd class was going to be released when we started (or at least, I didn't), it's too bad neither of those is an option for me now. Not something I stress over daily, but I'd certainly buy the item if it was available, even if it was like 500 dias I'd scoop it up in a heartbeat.

That's exactly the reason I support this idea. It's not fair to tell level-capped players that have spent several years gearing a specific toon out that they should just re-roll if they want the exact same primary with a different secondary. It's expensive to do. We never thought we'd get a third class, so having a second-favorite combo was never an option. I know several people that chose human characters from the start, yet don't have race-specific classes, and would positively love to be able to take an elf class as their third. I don't see why it's such an abhorrent idea--it doesn't affect anyone but the players that choose to use it.

Making it so people could make a Priest/Druid would, of course, be a horrible idea. But making it so people that were caught off guard by the third class could choose their second-choice class? I think it would be a great idea. And I agree, even if it was expensive (which it should definitely be), high level players that don't want to go through the expense of leveling another toon of the same class and gearing that one out too, would buy it.

Quoted from "Malignatus;481795"

No. Just...no.

that's it...? why no?

I'm all for this idea. It's an amazing idea. In fact, I suggested something pretty much the same a couple months ago: http://forum.us.runesofmagic.com/showthread.php?t=61967

And I really don't get why you guys are having problems with it.

Of course there won't be combinations like priest/druids.

Games have this thing called coding. All the item would have to do is, while it changes the race, also delete any class that isn't compatible with race being changed into.

A warning message like the following would occur upon using the item:
"This item will turn you into an Elf from a Human. As such, your Knight class will also be deleted. Continue?"

It'd be like using a Fruit of Forgetting.

OR, you could have to use a Fruit of Forgetting before using the item to switch races if you have a race-specific class.

It doesn't seem that hard to me. o_O

If you're only a knight, then you wouldn't be able to change into an elf without picking a second class that's compatible with elves. If you're a K/P, you wouldn't be able to use the item until you've picked your third class. Etc.

I spent like 1000s of diamonds on Fate to get these dumb permanent extra backpacks, but I really want to become an elf. I'm a human. I was going to make a new character, but I wouldn't have my name, and all the crap that is soulbound to me that I worked so hard for. This, really, is the sole reason I haven't played in about two months lol.

It's really not fair that you can have a second chance to experience any class you want via Fruit of Forgettings, except for other classes that are specific to the race you aren't. Racist!

A game like ROM SHOULD have something like this: it seems that any game as big as ROM shouldn't have this problem.

I peronally would want this so I could change my m/p to a m/d. Of course, you know if they did that, I would level up my new druid side and then they would nerf magma blade, which is the reason I want to be an elf.

Although, if they nerfed magma blade instead, I would no longer want to be an elf.

Quoted from "effervescent;481874"

That's exactly the reason I support this idea. It's not fair to tell level-capped players that have spent several years gearing a specific toon out that they should just re-roll if they want the exact same primary with a different secondary. It's expensive to do. We never thought we'd get a third class, so having a second-favorite combo was never an option. I know several people that chose human characters from the start, yet don't have race-specific classes, and would positively love to be able to take an elf class as their third. I don't see why it's such an abhorrent idea--it doesn't affect anyone but the players that choose to use it.

Making it so people could make a Priest/Druid would, of course, be a horrible idea. But making it so people that were caught off guard by the third class could choose their second-choice class? I think it would be a great idea. And I agree, even if it was expensive (which it should definitely be), high level players that don't want to go through the expense of leveling another toon of the same class and gearing that one out too, would buy it.

yep. In fact, most of the reasons why this is a good idea are the same reasons why offering a 4th class option is a good idea.

Siege titles, leveled pets, relationship buffs are just a few reasons why the more classes you have available on a character the better. Heck, I'd love to see them offer all 8 classes to each toon and just make it so you can't combine k/wd, k/d, p/wd or p/d. They could also introduce, at a high cost of course, a zone reset ticket. It allows you to run all the quests in a zone over again. If they're concerned about impacting daily reset sales, then they could implement a way to limit the item to one use per class. Just throwin' out ideas that could make FA money AND make players happy at the same time

Sekrit? Mermaid? Really? oh Lord.....lol


FM Zeylon

He-he... Mermaids were suggested in a question to Swag and featured in one of the romcasts. It is... umm... unique idea, to say the least.

Me, I want to be a Bodo, the real missing piece in ROM. Just look at all that grace and majesty! Why would you possibly NOT want to be a Bodo? :p

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Quoted from "HerHeartMyFate;482040"

that's it...? why no?

Consider the OP's post. "I like playing Warden." Okay, so why didn't he roll a Warden in the first place?


I'm all for this idea. It's an amazing idea. In fact, I suggested something pretty much the same a couple months ago: http://forum.us.runesofmagic.com/showthread.php?t=61967

And I really don't get why you guys are having problems with it.

I would like to see a detailed and reasoned argument as to *why* such an item should be available. I've yet to see one.


Of course there won't be combinations like priest/druids.

Games have this thing called coding. All the item would have to do is, while it changes the race, also delete any class that isn't compatible with race being changed into.

A warning message like the following would occur upon using the item:
"This item will turn you into an Elf from a Human. As such, your Knight class will also be deleted. Continue?"

And I can see the rash of complaints on the forums from people who used the "race change" item and discover that all the TP they earned on their now-deleted class disappeared. "Waaaaah! I have no place to level my new race/class! Waaaaaah! Why didn't someone tell me? Frogster sux!!!"


It'd be like using a Fruit of Forgetting.

And the FoF also deletes accumulated TP for the class you're getting rid of.


OR, you could have to use a Fruit of Forgetting before using the item to switch races if you have a race-specific class.

It doesn't seem that hard to me. o_O

See above.


If you're only a knight, then you wouldn't be able to change into an elf without picking a second class that's compatible with elves. If you're a K/P, you wouldn't be able to use the item until you've picked your third class. Etc.

If you're only a Knight, roll a new toon. If you're a K/P, live with it, or roll a new toon.


I spent like 1000s of diamonds on Fate to get these dumb permanent extra backpacks, but I really want to become an elf. I'm a human. I was going to make a new character, but I wouldn't have my name, and all the crap that is soulbound to me that I worked so hard for. This, really, is the sole reason I haven't played in about two months lol.

Absolutely disingenuous. You've been playing this game since Chapter I, same as I have. You knew about the racial limitations when Chapter II was announced, or shortly thereafter. You *could* have rolled a new toon, but apparently didn't. And BTW, I have at least *three* Elvish toons, but I only play one regularly. He's a 60/60 M/D, and I love the combo. (52 Warden, as well, but I have spent little RLM on that class, and will probably never use it.)

Your reasons for not playing the last couple of months are likely for very different reasons.


It's really not fair that you can have a second chance to experience any class you want via Fruit of Forgettings, except for other classes that are specific to the race you aren't. Racist!

Do I catch a whiff of sarcasm here?


A game like ROM SHOULD have something like this: it seems that any game as big as ROM shouldn't have this problem.

Problem? *What* problem?

As I said previously: No. Just...no.

I'm not going to be all weird with this quoting thing..

There's plenty of argument as to why there should be one in this thread. Look at effervescent's post. Even some in my post. I'd like to hear why not, though.

you know there's a Fruit of Forgetting right? There's already something in the game that makes you lose ALL TP on the class that you forgot.? There's nothing different between the two.. just one changes race as well.

So why would this bring up new problems when there's an item that already does it? There wouldn't be any more complaining than there already is with the FoF.

I don't get at all what you're going for with:

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Absolutely disingenuous. You've been playing this game since Chapter I, same as I have. You knew about the racial limitations when Chapter II was announced, or shortly thereafter. You *could* have rolled a new toon, but apparently didn't. And BTW, I have at least *three* Elvish toons, but I only play one regularly. He's a 60/60 M/D, and I love the combo. (52 Warden, as well, but I have spent little RLM on that class, and will probably never use it.)

Your reasons for not playing the last couple of months are likely for very different reasons.

But no.. they're not.I'd like to be able to say that I'm really mad! at the economy and whatnot, and I am to the point where none of my friends will be able to play with me without me giving them hand outs, but the economy actually made me a crap ton of money.

My reasons still stand as to why I want to keep my same character, just switch it's race and class, and you didn't de-validate any of them. Grats on having another there elves? o_O I have school. I don't have much time.

Quoted from "you"

Do I catch a whiff of sarcasm here?

I hope you took the last part as sarcasm and not serious... o_O I mean, we are in a thread where even the GM is talking about mermaids... I thought I'd add my own little sarcasm in here too.

My last post wasn't directed at you. Don't take it as such.

So as I said.. there should be an item like this in ROM, and there's still no valid reason as to why there wouldn't be.

Answer this: What is the difference between FoF and a FoF that also has an added bonus of changing race? If an item like FoF can be added to the game, why can't a FoF that also changes your race?

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Quoted from "HerHeartMyFate;482188"

I'm not going to be all weird with this quoting thing..

There's plenty of argument as to why there should be one in this thread. Look at effervescent's post. Even some in my post. I'd like to hear why not, though.

Let's see now...effervescent said, "It's not fair..." Life isn't fair, and neither is RoM. That's not a particularly good reason for having a race-change item in the IS.


you know there's a Fruit of Forgetting right? There's already something in the game that makes you lose ALL TP on the class that you forgot.? There's nothing different between the two.. just one changes race as well.

So why would this bring up new problems when there's an item that already does it? There wouldn't be any more complaining than there already is with the FoF.

I am perfectly aware of the existence of the FoF and what it does. I've used them. My comment about the myriad complaints that would be generated still stands, and has not been addressed. You may have passed over it, I dunno. And you *still* haven't given one solid reason for Runewaker to code up or otherwise create a race-changing item, other than "I want it."


My reasons still stand as to why I want to keep my same character, just switch it's race and class, and you didn't de-validate any of them. Grats on having another there elves? o_O I have school. I don't have much time.

Gratz on wanting to keep your original character. You have *still* failed to give a solid reason why such an item needs to be created, other than, "I want it."


My last post wasn't directed at you. Don't take it as such.

Actually, it was. You quoted me. But it's not a problem.


So as I said.. there should be an item like this in ROM, and there's still no valid reason as to why there wouldn't be.

Answer this: What is the difference between FoF and a FoF that also has an added bonus of changing race? If an item like FoF can be added to the game, why can't a FoF that also changes your race?

Riddle me this: Why is such an item necessary? Give me a good, solid reason other than, "I want it."

Why was fruit of forgetting necessary ? wasnt it for people who didnt want to level 2 new classes ? people who wanted to keep there primary and not reroll and lose all the bonuses like relationships and bound items house maids and all that good pain in the butt stuff . I think there should be a race changing FoF . Not everyone wants to make a crap ton of alts . Hell i dont want to make 1 alt lol. Not only do some people not want to redo every thing but some of us really dont have the time to start over .


i know i have spent well over 900 to 1000 bucks on my toon why would i want to reroll and waste all that money just to remake the same exact toon of a different race ?

Malignatus: The thing about business is that if enough people want it, and it's not too terribly hard to make/implement, then it's a good idea to do it. In this case, there are at least 5 people in this post alone that have explicitly stated that they would want an item like this and it would not take much time to implement (just check for race-restricted classes and change a flag). The only difficult part would be pricing it.

The only reason I can see for not doing this is because of Elven Island. Can Elves who change to Humans go back to Elven Island? What about Humans who change to Elves? But that would be a fairly minor concern since it's such a low level area.

Quoted from "gimlear;482231"

The only reason I can see for not doing this is because of Elven Island. Can Elves who change to Humans go back to Elven Island? What about Humans who change to Elves? But that would be a fairly minor concern since it's such a low level area.

Actually, off topic, but I think that Elven Island should be able to be visited by Humans. I mean, Elves can visit the Human starting place.. how is it fair that Humans can't visit the Elven place? Plus, I'm pretty sure there's titles there that Humans can't get.. so Elves can get every title in the game, potentially, yet Humans can't - to the best of my knowledge.

Malignatus, you make it really annoying to try to answer your points back when you answer within a quote...

Comment #1: I think games actually strive to be as fair as possible. Games are not real life, and therefore should not be equated to it. If games didn't strive to be fair, you wouldn't have patches that attempt to balance things out.

Comment #2: So there is a FoF out there that does pretty much the same thing as to what this FoF on steroids would do, right? Well, this game's been out for a pretty long time now, and I haven't seen any real complaints about it. People know what it does. People understand what's going to happen. Why do you think this thing is going to generate new complaints? Lol. That's not really a valid argument.

Besides, people always complain about TP and XP with classes that they didn't reset. Everyone's response? Go grind more, or go buy more daily reset tickets. Why shouldn't that be the answer here?

I don't see why you're trying to make up this thing that everyone's going to start crying. You should respect the in-game community. The people using it are the same people that are in your guild, your friends, etc. Do you think they're all stupid people? I don't. The ROM community is probably one of the most mature communities of any game out there, save maybe for the forums. I'm pretty sure people can handle the consequences, and understand them before-hand. Are there a few players that act like they're two year olds, and don't understand anything? Yeah, but welcome to the wonderful world of MMORPGs. Just because there are such people playing the game doesn't mean we shouldn't have added stuff that would benefit the game because it may be a little too complex for them.

Besides, there's a ton of complaints on the forums. Siege is a big one. And I guarantee you Siege will still have more complaints, by a very large margin, than this new FoF being proposed. Should Siege be taken away then?

Comment #3: Why should it be in there? Because there's an item that allows to forget a class and start a new one, but it's race-locked. ROM should evolve and create an item that has the same function, but only goes past the racial boundaries. Now, why SHOULDN'T this be here?

Comment #4: Yeah, the first line was to you. The rest was a response to the thread. o_O I think you know that though, and are just being stubborn.

Comment #5: Answer the question? I, as well as a bunch of other people, already answered yours.