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Let us see an advanced unbinder that sells for 99 diamonds , one of Frogsters main sources of income (at 60k gold per diamond if you can get it that cheap) is worth 6,000,000 gold would be replaced by a npc who will do the same thing for between 5,000 and 15,000 gold. Somehow I just don't see that happening. The only way Frogster can make enough money to keep the game going is to make a huge profit off the cash shop. There is no way they are going to give away one of their major source of income that keeps the game running for free.

Quoted from "aardvark3;505078"

There is no way they are going to give away one of their major source of income that keeps the game running for free.

^ That.

/thread.

You can also get a regular unbinder with the pirus you get for 6 dailys, or more if you want an advanced one. So why must it be given to you for free?

Quoted from "MegaMouseSEC;505097"

As far as the unbinders go they are not one of Frogsters main sellers seeing as I ahve never seen them on the hot list ever.

Can't say for sure of course, but I doubt that whatever is on the "Hot" list are the best sellers, or at least the biggest money makers... seems more likely that this is a common marketing ploy to draw your attention to the items in question.

Because this is basically a gear based game, I would be surprised if ABL's and Puri's are not among the top cash-cows.

ABL's are not a main seller? Are you serious?

EVERYONE buys advanced bind lifters. Hell a friend of mine stocked 100 of them lasttime they went on sale.

What world are you living in? Puri's, Cleaners, +'ing jewels, and ABL's are probably the four biggest ticket items there are.

Quoted from "MegaMouseSEC;505131"

Sounds like the only ones looking at this post are the moneygrubbers that do not want to part with their gear but for outrageous prices. If a CM is on please delete this due to them not reading the post or even understanding what I am attempting to suggest. /closed due to moneygrubbers greed.

So everyone who disagrees with a bad idea are moneygrubbers who don't understand? It's pretty simple really, ABL's are a huge seller, and Frogster would LOSE money in diamond sales if they were given away for free (which is essentially what you are suggesting, as there is an unlimited supply of gold in game). What's so hard to understand about that? So unless they are trying to go out of business, this will never happen, or at best would be a one-off thing like with Owenstein.

And for the record, I am nowhere near rich in game or otherwise, and since I'm not endgame, I can't even get the gear that sells for outrageous prices... so personally it doesn't really matter to me whether this idea is implemented or not. It's just not gonna happen.

Fact of the matter is, Megamouse, Advanced unbinders are indeed a popular cash shop item and therefore major source of income for Frogster. Open up the AH and search for purple items lvl 55-70. That's all advanced unbinders (at one point). Popular=money made.

The people posting above aren't money grubbers, but they *are* realistic. Items under lvl 55 I understand. Anything otherwise, no. The game is already free to play, you can't expect that much more for free, it simply just does not keep the company profiting and the game running.

People tend to forget that this game, like many things in life, is a business. You can't keep a business running by giving things away for free.

the fact is that froggy is unable to do this due to those greedy individuals with ridiculous amounts of gold.

Froggy did nothing to help prevent being put in a position of getting bent over by those select few too, so...whatever.

If the situation bothers you that much, do something about changing it, as in actually do something.

Saying that because an item isn't on the Sale list or the "hot" list (Since the items in the hot list can EASILY be purchased in mass quantities) is like saying... I can't even come up with an analogy because of how flawed that reasoning is.

Point being ABL's are major sellers and basing what does and doesn't sell soly on the hot list is foolish.

Quoted from "camagic;505148"

the fact is that froggy is unable to do this due to those greedy individuals with ridiculous amounts of gold.

Froggy did nothing to help prevent being put in a position of getting bent over by those select few too, so...whatever.

If the situation bothers you that much, do something about changing it, as in actually do something.

I fail to see how gold end gamers have affect advanced unbinders, them being a major source of income, and how end gamers prevent them from becoming essentially free.

The ppl with ridiculous amounts of gold, as in over the gold cap of 1 billion-1, would no longer stimulate dia sales for froggy.

The cycle is that lv 55+ gear is on ah/wc/sale for x millions amount of gold.
So the those that are past the introductory lvl 50 start wanting the lvl 55+ gear, but dont have the millions of gold to buy it.
So the way to get gold is....
farm forever
gold spammers(I advise against this, my they get bonked in the head by a toliet seat that fell off the ISS)
buy dias
botting(I detest them too, but try and gather golden eggs and see if you are so quick to burn them at the stake)
3. ???
4. profit

So the main(legit) way is to buy dias, gift items from cs for gold, and then buy the lvl 55+ gear with that gold.

Those with lots of gold are the end gamers that trade for cs items. These endgamers can claim whatever they want, but they trade more gold for dias than they have ever bought. thus affecting the dia sales.

If a cheaper, or safer, alternate to the current method of trading gold for the items bought with dias(ie abl) comes out, that would affect froggy.

So the fact is that froggy did nothing to stem the inflation jump when chapter 4 came out. This lead to the gold handlers being in control. So now froggy is bent over and must continue to cater to them, or the eventual dissolution of the rl company suffers. But froggy will not be able to continue the upkeep required to cater to them, and resulting in the dissolution of the company.

So, I suggest enjoy the game for now

Quoted from "camagic;505279"

The ppl with ridiculous amounts of gold, as in over the gold cap of 1 billion-1, would no longer stimulate dia sales for froggy.

The cycle is that lv 55+ gear is on ah/wc/sale for x millions amount of gold.
So the those that are past the introductory lvl 50 start wanting the lvl 55+ gear, but dont have the millions of gold to buy it.
So the way to get gold is....
farm forever
gold spammers(I advise against this, my they get bonked in the head by a toliet seat that fell off the ISS)
buy dias
botting(I detest them too, but try and gather golden eggs and see if you are so quick to burn them at the stake)
3. ???
4. profit

So the main(legit) way is to buy dias, gift items from cs for gold, and then buy the lvl 55+ gear with that gold.

Those with lots of gold are the end gamers that trade for cs items. These endgamers can claim whatever they want, but they trade more gold for dias than they have ever bought. thus affecting the dia sales.

If a cheaper, or safer, alternate to the current method of trading gold for the items bought with dias(ie abl) comes out, that would affect froggy.

So the fact is that froggy did nothing to stem the inflation jump when chapter 4 came out. This lead to the gold handlers being in control. So now froggy is bent over and must continue to cater to them, or the eventual dissolution of the rl company suffers. But froggy will not be able to continue the upkeep required to cater to them, and resulting in the dissolution of the company.

So, I suggest enjoy the game for now

Ok, I think most of this is correct, but I am confused by the logic on one point: where the endgamers with lots of gold took control of the system.

If they have lots of gold left (and I personally don't know many who do, and the ones that do have lots of gold, paradoxically, sell dias) and they aren't buying dias with cash, instead they're buying dias with gold... how do they have the power?

Because of the addition of the Phirius Shell gear, memento gear, memento and crafted level 70 weapons, theoretically, a player who wanted to progress on their own could buy dias and just improve their own non-instance gears themselves, completely circumventing the high-gold-earning player cartel, and just start farming GCH or even ToSH themselves.

I know a few people who have done this. Except, the ones I know mostly didn't buy many dias, they mostly farmed the gold themselves and bought dias from players to get the upgrades they need.

To be completely honest, all of the top spending dia buyers I know personally are in that endgame cartel. They all supplement the dias they personally buy with dias bought from players whenever they can afford to, but on Palenque at least, the endgame population are the big dia buyers. Not exclusively, of course. We have always had a few people who just skip to endgame through sheer purchasing power, but most endgamers do buy dias for themselves.

I am not sure who has the most power to be honest. I have a feeling it varies from server to server, especially since I keep hearing about these kabals of selfish elitist endgamers who supposedly keep gear prices high. Gear prices are stupidly low on Palenque, frustratingly so to those of us who try and sell gear to be honest. By stupidly low, I mean 3mil for GCH UD gear, abl not included. GCH has not yet been cleared on Palenque, so it is cutting edge for our server.

The people who have purchasing power on Palenque are the dia sellers, not the endgamers. They set the dia prices, and as the endgamers are a voracious market, they're willing to pay any price they can come close to affording to get what they need.

The source of the problem, as far as I can see, is declining population coupled with rising costs. +16 jewels and X runes only made the cost to stay competitive higher, and the rising prices in the cash shop combined with really lackluster sales has only made the situation worse for everyone, dia buyers and dia sellers both.

I don't believe that the perceived greed of either endgamers or dia sellers is the main cause of our economic issues. If greed is a factor, it's the greed of Frogster, and I truly don't believe that even they are necessarily being greedy- I think they are using a flawed marketing model. ABL's, while I do not think they should be available for gold, are perhaps too expensive, like most things in the cash shop that we all need. If Frogster shifted their strategy to making the cash shop more accessible to all, by making things less expensive across the board, I think they would see increased population and higher profits.

However, the issue is that the way instances are currently constructed would make this dangerous. Because this is a pay-to-win gear modification game, caps would have to put in place to prevent people from overgearing ludicrously, and in that way breaking the game.

Quoted from "MegaMouseSEC;515089"

I just had to stick this into here. The gold cap is 999,999,999 you cannot get anymore after you hit that. Saying that the moneygrubbers attempting to sell their overpriced items in the AH is real stupid if they are real close to that cap and some ignorant fool buys an item of theirs. When an item sells if the moneygrubber is close to teh gold cap he/she will effectivaly screw themselves out of possibly millions of gold. So I ask this: Why do people even want to get to the gold cap when after they hit it they can no longer collect anymore??? It is counter productive mostly because players will turn in tickets on it and attempt to get the cap changed. Greed only hurts those that are greedy in the end.

Here is a link to the cap proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEisk2XauqA

Have you ever heard of alts or as some term banking toons?

To the subject of this post, Frogster has already addressed this by making ABL's a permanent item in the CS (and token shop), so it is highly unlikely they will make them available via NPC's.

i think that this idea could be a good one like maybe only once per week per toon.but it will never happen because as stated by others , the abl is a good seller.Raves is correct this is a business.

I have to agree to aarvark3 on this - I don't see this happening with current ABLs.

We did sugest earlier to have either different - cheaper ABL (or perhaps unbinder NPC) for <= L55 gear. That would make sense and probably help middle players who are struggling between start and end game with huge jump in price of gear thanks to ABL price. (3-6M per piece depending on server)

Quoted from "Craigers;515097"

Have you ever heard of alts or as some term banking toons?

To the subject of this post, Frogster has already addressed this by making ABL's a permanent item in the CS (and token shop), so it is highly unlikely they will make them available via NPC's.

This.. there are people with several toons that have hit the gold cap. How do you think Mandrakes has so much more than the gold cap? Alts. Lots of alts. THe gold cap effectively just makes it annoying to go over the gold cap, but definitely NOT impossible.