Runes of Magic US / AU

I like this idea. I would also like the ability to set flame & electric towers to not aggro on balloons, so guards don't go running off after them.

each mob has at least 3 range parameters out of the like 87 variables total..probably more but the identifiers are hard to translate sometimes. looks like range, monitor range, and follow range until it drops aggro. the guards arent the highest rangers in rom but looks higher than the anything else in siege. easy to change..but they put the increased range for a reason i imagine.

idk i try never to make dogmatic claims without citing something. over the years i cant remember any fa or feu person saying anything like that in the bazillions of anti-[insert class that killed you tonight] or siege sucks! threads.

maybe someone will chime in

A few comments, in no particular order...

Defenders, don't place flame/electric towers so close to the crystal tower so as to aggro the balloons. I see my guildies do this *every night* in siege, and it drives me nuts. It's tougher at the castle-side towers ("A"-side, especially), but far easier at the middle ground towers. Electric towers have a longer range (450) than flame towers (350) do, so plan and place accordingly.

Make sure that you can drop a few treaches and eyes of true seeing on or very near your towers. At the very least, this will discomfit Rogues who try to stealth a tower--treaches and eyes will stun the rogue, eyes pop him out of Hide, guards respond. Use visual illusion towers to hide the treaches/eyes.

Rogues can drop treaches while in Hide without leaving Hide. Nerf Hide so that dropping a treach = an attack. <obligatory "nerf rogues" comment>

Castle towers can also be protected in this way, seeding the area closer to the castle walls and gates with eyes of true seeing means that you don't need to place electric towers so close to the castle, where their range will be enough to aggro the balloons there, and thereby drawing the guards to attack the balloons.

Now, direct comments...

Pulling the guards away from the towers, however one does it, is *not* an exploit, Mega. (I hate it when anyone screams "exploit" at the drop of a hat, especially with the self-willingness to drop the hat.) It may seem unethical to use flame or electric towers to pull the guards from a tower your team has just occupied over to the opponent's castle gate by using flame/electric towers, but it's long been an accepted tactic. I've done it myself, no shame in admitting to taking advantage of something that's built into the game. After all, don't players simply kite guards well away from towers, one at a time, either for merit farming or so their compatriots can more easily assault the tower? I've watched guards get kited from a B-side tower all the way to the bridge.

But I could easily go along with reducing the actual *distance* that a tower guard, or the guild honor guard, is allowed to move away from a tower in order to attack an opponent or device (flame/electric tower, catapult, gate, or building inside a castle.) However, if RW should program something like that into siege, I would hope that the guard just doesn't run in place *after* he hits the radius boundary, if you know what I mean. And I'm not so sure I'd trust them to get that right.

No need for a "debuff" on towers that will pop a Rogue out of Hide. That's what eyes are for. I don't want "easy-mode" siege, thankyouverymuch.

That's all for now.

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"As far as the towers having a debuff that removes invisibility I will stand by that one due to the fact that too any people do use that to keep the guards off themselves and take the towers uninpeeded."

You apparently missed what I said:

"No need for a "debuff" on towers that will pop a Rogue out of Hide. That's what eyes are for. I don't want "easy-mode" siege, thankyouverymuch."

"Eyes" being "Eyes of True Knowledge", of course. Treaches won't knock a Rogue out of Hide, but Eyes will. Plop a Visual Illusion or two within a small field of them, close enough to the tower, and the Rogue stuns, becomes visible, and the guards aggro. Toss in a few treaches to keep him stunned for a bit, and maybe castle defenders can come to help the guards. Maybe a couple of upgraded flame towers (hidden w/Visual Illusions) on the side opposite the castle, to hopefully make him run around and at least take damage. Simple? Simple! No need to recode the game and take a chance on a RW "oopsie".

Not to mention that siege isn't intended to be a "looking out only for myself" operation. Teamwork and tactics work moar bettah, as do offensive and defensive strategies. That's why there are lowbies

Also:

"...make it so they [the guards] cannot attack anything but actual players..."

Nah. Easy-mode again. Don't need it. I'd settle for just reducing the max radius that the guards can either roam or be kited away from their posts.

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Quoted from "MegaMouseSEC;531374"

Sorry for the wall of text Mal, but sometimes I forget while typing. But I do not believe that sttting the Guards so they only attack players will create easy mode. Doing it would stop guilds from drawing baloons to the guards and thus "exploiting" their propensity to attack anything that gets close (I only say exploiting because they were not intended to do that).

First, I've *never* seen anyone intentionally kite a balloon to a guard. In fact, most players, unless they are under-level and under-geared/skilled, will one-shot the castle balloons.

As I said previously, tossing the word "exploit" around willy-nilly shows that one doesn't understand either the term or how class skills properly work.

I'm not a mind reader, nor have I interviewed the RW programming team to ask them what they intended the guards to do. But a WAG would be that they're intended to be super-aggroing NPC Elites, therefore responding to and attacking *anything* which enters their normal detection range or envelope--including the castle balloons. Rogues in Hide and other players using Invis Potions are outside the envelope and aren't attacked *until* they enter that envelope, either by leaving Hide or the Invis Pot wears off, or either are negated (Eye of True Knowledge effect.)

As it stands now Guards attack anything they see as a threat to the team they are supposed to be assisting. Reducing their range is one fix but others need done too. I am not calling for an all out nerf of the Guards, but a simple redo of them so they actually protect the towers, instead of wandering all over creation.

True, for the dimensions of this discussion. The guards will attack balloons *if* those balloons are in turn attacked by a flame or electric tower, or if the balloons attack a Face of Treachery (FoT), Eye, or Sea Washed Stone (SWS) placed within the radius of the guards' detection envelope.

I've already agreed with you that the actual radius or range away from their tower should be reduced. But how *much* it should be reduced is another question entirely.

While using traps is nice some guilds do not know what they actually do. Not sure if it is because they do not read their description or what, but with a tower debuff it will become harder for ANYONE to sneak up on a tower and take it without the Guards seeing them. I am not specifically talking about Rogues in hide but other players using invisi pots also. Its not real fair for a Guild to work hard at gaining a tower to have it sneakily taken away by someone that even the Guards cannot see.

If players don't know what an FoT, Eye, or SWS does, then they either need to learn or be instructed by their guild officers/leaders. In my experience, it's common for a newbie player to either ask about them, as well as other defenses that can be acquired and placed. It's equally common for guild members to give at least short explanations before or during siege, and then longer explanations when there's more time. It's a matter of strategies and tactics, and every guild should explain them to their new members .

And that's where we disagree. If there's an item already available which provides the effect you want, then use the item, instead of asking that RW change something else to provide the effect.

I haven't problems with guards too much in siege war but it would be nice if guards couldn't fly across the wall of a guild castle and end up beating a tower on top of a castle.