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Wednesday, August 1st 2012, 3:08am

Since there are matt/stam and matt/hp's....

Since there are matt/stam and matt/hp's at the codex vendors and there is a 100% chance of getting them, I'd like to recommend patt/hp be 100% as well.

We melee users use patt/hp as much as a mage might use matt/stam or matt/hp, why should they get theirs' at 100% and we have to do ToSH hard to get a Core of the Hero? 'o.0 No sense.

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Wednesday, August 1st 2012, 3:26am

Quoted from "L3g3nd;561852"

Since there are matt/stam and matt/hp's at the codex vendors and there is a 100% chance of getting them, I'd like to recommend patt/hp be 100% as well.

We melee users use patt/hp as much as a mage might use matt/stam or matt/hp, why should they get theirs' at 100% and we have to do ToSH hard to get a Core of the Hero? 'o.0 No sense.


Because while P.Att/HP is one of the recommended stats to use for rogues or scouts, M.Att/HP and Stam/M.Att are not. You get more M.Att out of Int/HP and Int/Stam's.
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Wednesday, August 1st 2012, 3:43am

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Because while P.Att/HP is one of the recommended stats to use for rogues or scouts, M.Att/HP and Stam/M.Att are not. You get more M.Att out of Int/HP and Int/Stam's.


Doesn't Demon of the eternity/bygone have 126 int / 315 matt

126x2 = 252 matt so 315 matt would still beat it.

I don't see in any example where equal tier int beats the matt counterpart.

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Wednesday, August 1st 2012, 3:50am

When did they change the stat pulls? Last time I checked, the mage stats were also random
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Wednesday, August 1st 2012, 5:10am

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When did they change the stat pulls? Last time I checked, the mage stats were also random


They are.
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Wednesday, August 1st 2012, 5:28am

They recently made mage stats random. They used to be garunteed dident they?

Also i have like 4 cores in my backpack. We get at least 1-4 cores per tosh run. I just dont sell them because i still need them :D

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Wednesday, August 1st 2012, 5:44am

ya cores are NOT difficult to get if you run tosh. They drop aaaallllll the time. Same with destructions and annis.
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Wednesday, August 1st 2012, 7:31am

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They recently made mage stats random. They used to be garunteed dident they?

Also i have like 4 cores in my backpack. We get at least 1-4 cores per tosh run. I just dont sell them because i still need them :D


It wasn't that recent, all stats were made random before ch5 even launched. But yes, sometime back in ch4 we used to be able to pull guaranteed matk/hp and stam/matk but that was changed several months ago. So I'm not sure why Acet would start a thread on this now...
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Wednesday, August 1st 2012, 7:43am

FWIW off the top of my head,

(126*2 base mattk from Int)(*1.2 Hero Pot)(*1.07 Wisdom)(*1.08 VN Accs) = 349.45 mattk.

Any corrections to my figures more than welcome.

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Wednesday, August 1st 2012, 12:38pm

Like Kat showed, ma/hp and stam/ma are junk filler or tiering stats for mages, since we get a passive int modifier that makes them not optimal.

However, they're great for p/s, since you get no int modifier on priest.

Those are pretty much budget or niche stats. And, not guaranteed pull anyway.
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Wednesday, August 1st 2012, 1:34pm

100% What, where? Whole point with int being better than matk comes from buffing attribute modifiers. Since CH5 with warlock buffs easily available to everyone with those new pets. I wouldn't touch any matk/hp matk/sta stats even without VN set with lower tier stats, unless you are aiming for low budget or quick stats. That lousy int bonus is also better than no int bonus at all.

Even stamina gets better than pure HP on same tier stats with those new buffs, not forgetting that little bit of extra defence might work wonders sometime when you end up having 1 HP left after receiving hit...

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Wednesday, August 1st 2012, 3:11pm

well lucky you guys... in indigo pvp server there is not a guild or a group of players that could even attempt to run TOSH hell we can not even get through GFCH our server is in high demand for jugglers cape's and puppet queens
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Friday, August 3rd 2012, 2:41am

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;561955"

Like Kat showed, ma/hp and stam/ma are junk filler or tiering stats for mages, since we get a passive int modifier that makes them not optimal.

However, they're great for p/s, since you get no int modifier on priest.

Those are pretty much budget or niche stats. And, not guaranteed pull anyway.


matt/hp and matt/stam if you check codex vendors outside ToSH are 100% - I used to buy quite a few of them for 630 mementos each to sell for 10m.

And yea, what Kat showed makes sense now. I can see why Int is better - at least if hero pots / VN accessories are used that is.

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Friday, August 3rd 2012, 2:43am

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matt/hp and matt/stam if you check codex vendors outside ToSH are 100% - I used to buy quite a few of them for 630 mementos each to sell for 10m.

And yea, what Kat showed makes sense now. I can see why Int is better - at least if hero pots / VN accessories are used that is.


No, they are not. They used to be, then they made them random. o.o
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Friday, August 3rd 2012, 2:45am

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well lucky you guys... in indigo pvp server there is not a guild or a group of players that could even attempt to run TOSH hell we can not even get through GFCH our server is in high demand for jugglers cape's and puppet queens


Yea I feel you. Since I'm geared all out for PvP, my patt can't surpass that soft cap of tosh bosses even with Hot Stew so I wouldn't be able to dps anything there =[

Don't worry though, it's only a small handful of people that are actually ToSH geared and I'm still in tier 6 Grafus lol and I seem to be doing perfectly fine. I did buy a t10 shint's though with real life money of course but I'd rather be spend $100 on a shints and make good dough in real life than play RoM 24/7 and be unemployed. All preference if you ask me.

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Friday, August 3rd 2012, 2:46am

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No, they are not. They used to be, then they made them random. o.o


Hence that is why I said "I used to". Sorry brutha, didn't know they were gone. I don't check the vendors every week.

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Friday, August 3rd 2012, 2:50am

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Hence that is why I said "I used to". Sorry brutha, didn't know they were gone. I don't check the vendors every week.


That happened awhile ago, there was a lot of hype about it xd...........where you been o.0

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Friday, August 3rd 2012, 3:01am

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That happened awhile ago, there was a lot of hype about it xd...........where you been o.0


I only go on like an hour a day just for siege really. I should start playing a bit more since it's the summer but my job calls me away at random times... -.-

Why was there hype about it though if like everyone said Int/hp or int/stam beats matt/hp and matt/stam. Shouldn't mages not use matt/hps or matt/stams then? I thought they were useful the entire time lol because Mysticlight - one of the best mages on reni had a few of those in her gear.

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Friday, August 3rd 2012, 3:42am

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Hence that is why I said "I used to". Sorry brutha, didn't know they were gone. I don't check the vendors every week.


...but you decided to make a thread complaining about them being there without even checking or asking to see if it was still true (which it hasn't been for quite a long time).

It's like if I decide to make a thread complaining about OP scouts and how they burn everything so fast without realizing that they were quite publicly changed a long time ago because "I only play an hour a day"
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