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Sunday, April 28th 2013, 5:48am

Overall content overhaul

FIRST OFF try not to badmouth any single idea instead add to the topic or refine it DON'T BASH IT, This is about adding overall content not just the shop and not just the game it can be about improving an item in general thou. this being said Bashes will be subject to being called out and asked to revise their statements!

After conversing with a few friends of mine and looking over some notes I made while in server and some notes that were made a while ago from the think tank thread I believe I have come up with a good solution to some of the server economy problems roaming ROM.

An overall content overhaul, now Some suggestions are open for adding wherever but there are a couple that can't really be argued because they are offered as "sacrificial" perks Intended to draw in new players (AKA more big senders) and make cretin shortfalls less hazardous. Improve game-play experiences for free players (you know the people that don't spend-money because for one reason or another at the current time they don't have any money to spend.)

Its quite clear this is something that will take allot of time but its taking the time and money to fix it now so they can have a game later or not having time to fix it later because there is no game. Sound familiar? it should it was said before and rudely put aside like the theory's were not sound but we are seeing a Nostradamus effect here. every thing that player said would happen has and in the end if nothing is done the game WILL fail, and it will fail because its losing the new players so there has to be some perks you players that are concerned for the economy of the game you will just have to suck up and accept.

This however doesn't mean we can not find a few additions to the cash shop to even things out or lessen the blow of the item in question. but you guys are gonna have to make some of these non disclosed items freebies too if the cash shop is everything it will create this problem all over again.

Main solutions:
~~Start by making some of the lower end mounts (one person), and outfits trade-able non binding but keep the does not drop on death for cash shop items. this right here will go a big way into improving the player base because it will help create a more firm server economy. this keeps free player happy and suggesting the game to others. (Free advertisement item, this means the item generates positive word of mouth the best advertisement ROM can get.)

~~Show times for rent able mounts: its one of the major down sides of buying the rent a mounts is you are NOT told how long your rental is when you buy it!

~~Move magic stones (upgrade item) to token shop and add Greater Magic stones (upgrade item with better chance of success) to the Diamond shop. someone said magic stones are not really useful after a certain level and they may be more right than they care to note. By adding ones with better success rates for higher level players you are merely upgrading the shops to make accommodations for the larger player base and restoring function and desire for spending diamonds to some players.

~~Add a easily accessible (NON DIAMOND SHOP MUST BE PERM FOR THIS FIX TO WORK) perm mount for lower level players (slower speed but it can be upgraded AGAIN IN ORDER FOR THIS TO WORK IT MUST BE ABLE TO BE UPGRADED AND IT MUST BE WIDELY AVAILABLE) (Free advertisement item)

~~have upgrade item in Dia shop for upgrade-able mounts, it works by upgrading the mount into a better version for slightly less than a normal mount of equal usability. (make no mistake this is purely adding content all around that will draw in new and loyal players. By having the mount able to be upgraded to a faster model you added something players can BUY with cash currency that does not feel like a "perm mount fee".)

~~Add more plants to planting que: the planting has to be overhauled or added to some of the suggestions will help with the planting being "tedious" but overall adding enough to the Que to grow multiples of the same plant in equal pots, right now the ques is 5 plants, why not just go ahead and make that 6. so a player can grow two of each plant.

~~An upgrade on Time to grow, or an addition to the Magic water fertilizer that is made available in the Token shop. people have brought up the grow time as an issue a think tank may need to be put into effectiveness for this purpose.

~~Magic water active item that nurtures and freezes a plant when its fully grown so it will never wilt (this can be made as multiple items 50%-100% happiness for plant or just different items entirely this is a open idea that was squelched. It was not defined as being a addition for eater shop but some people were talking DIA shop add-on, they even talked about making it a equip item for a housemaid.

~~Add a perm house energy addition (limited by home type and character level) example: a one floor house addition (see one floor home concept) would have a +5 base energy, two story's would add +7 and the biggest would add +10. clearly a more seasoned adventurer would have a fuller home but I do highly recommend if you do this you really really make the player EARN the energy addition for levels but don't skimp out on it eater.

~~Add planting tables (one furniture item that acts as multiple pots) again this is a highly open topic idea and a opening to add glowing things to the cash shop. You Paying Players love glowing things right.

~~One story home types (would actually work well in the ruby shop) the concept is simply adding more one story options for players that DON'T want to have extensive elaborate homes with multiple layer. the players that can often go for the bigger homes anyway and the only reason I haven't bought a house type yet is the confusion that the home types will go away if there is no house energy. so lets clarify that and simply say if its not done the home types need to be a no energy function meaning I should be able to keep my home TYPE even if I don't have the energy to keep the furniture in it.

~~Home energy stones: stones that will keep a home fully fueled on energy for a period of time. The player homes are a good perk in the game by adding and improving how they function you can turn them into a free advertisement item. if the free players love an aspect about the game enough they generate word of mount, tats free advertisement ROM and a good enough reason to give them perks. It is a give take you can only give so much but you want to have quality and that's the bottom line offer all around quality.

~~Make buy for coin furniture sell-able/destructible (why is it even not trade-able? is it because people were coning players through AH? well just make it unable to be put in Auction house problem solved.)

Please note this is just the tip of iceberg (we are talking titanic sinker) that is a long list of ideas I found/had/talked about with other people off forms where we can freely cuss about the squelches. Without negativity some items became "well I am OK with where it winds up in the end so long as there is enough quality for free players as well." in the end the only reason half these items were suggested as freebies was in hopes they would become trade able items very few to generate positive word of mount (free advertisement) for ROM by providing something that gets new players attention.

So lets do the good ideas a solid and no negativity about it no arguing the point lets let the staff decide where these thing in the end ind up or if the enter the game lets just give them good ideas on how to improve. and remember people worrying about ROMS server wallet they have to pay for advertisement one way or the other lest at least take some of that and make it help the server keep its players agreed?

No more taking away free perks that already are in the game (lets leave that option up to the staff that has a better idea about what their findings looks like than us) and no bashing on something because it has to be free to work as intended remember some of these items generate positive world of mouth in the FTP community. And ROM has some HEAVY competition form Megaten, Prefectworld, Rappelz, GrandFantasia, and even World of Warcraft.

ROM needs its players to be as creative as possible and not kill each others creativity so Pictures and concept art items are also allowed. Bashers and I repeat this again to elaborate this, WILL BE called out and asked to change their post.

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Sunday, April 28th 2013, 6:03am

Quoted from "SilverRosa;599429"

FIRST OFF try not to badmouth any single idea instead add to the topic or refine it DON'T BASH IT, This is about adding overall content not just the shop and not just the game it can be about improving an item in general thou. this being said Bashes will be subject to being called out and asked to revise their statements!

After conversing with a few friends of mine and looking over some notes I made while in server and some notes that were made a while ago from the think tank thread I believe I have come up with a good solution to some of the server economy problems roaming ROM.

An overall content overhaul, now Some suggestions are open for adding wherever but there are a couple that can't really be argued because they are offered as "sacrificial" perks Intended to draw in new players (AKA more big senders) and make cretin shortfalls less hazardous. Improve game-play experiences for free players (you know the people that don't spend-money because for one reason or another at the current time they don't have any money to spend.)

Its quite clear this is something that will take allot of time but its taking the time and money to fix it now so they can have a game later or not having time to fix it later because there is no game. Sound familiar? it should it was said before and rudely put aside like the theory's were not sound but we are seeing a Nostradamus effect here. every thing that player said would happen has and in the end if nothing is done the game WILL fail, and it will fail because its losing the new players so there has to be some perks you players that are concerned for the economy of the game you will just have to suck up and accept.

This however doesn't mean we can not find a few additions to the cash shop to even things out or lessen the blow of the item in question. but you guys are gonna have to make some of these non disclosed items freebies too if the cash shop is everything it will create this problem all over again.

Main solutions:
~~Start by making some of the lower end mounts (one person), and outfits trade-able non binding but keep the does not drop on death for cash shop items. this right here will go a big way into improving the player base because it will help create a more firm server economy. this keeps free player happy and suggesting the game to others. (Free advertisement item, this means the item generates positive word of mouth the best advertisement ROM can get.)

~~Show times for rent able mounts: its one of the major down sides of buying the rent a mounts is you are NOT told how long your rental is when you buy it!

~~Move magic stones (upgrade item) to token shop and add Greater Magic stones (upgrade item with better chance of success) to the Diamond shop. someone said magic stones are not really useful after a certain level and they may be more right than they care to note. By adding ones with better success rates for higher level players you are merely upgrading the shops to make accommodations for the larger player base and restoring function and desire for spending diamonds to some players.

~~Add a easily accessible (NON DIAMOND SHOP MUST BE PERM FOR THIS FIX TO WORK) perm mount for lower level players (slower speed but it can be upgraded AGAIN IN ORDER FOR THIS TO WORK IT MUST BE ABLE TO BE UPGRADED AND IT MUST BE WIDELY AVAILABLE) (Free advertisement item)

~~have upgrade item in Dia shop for upgrade-able mounts, it works by upgrading the mount into a better version for slightly less than a normal mount of equal usability. (make no mistake this is purely adding content all around that will draw in new and loyal players. By having the mount able to be upgraded to a faster model you added something players can BUY with cash currency that does not feel like a "perm mount fee".)

~~Add more plants to planting que: the planting has to be overhauled or added to some of the suggestions will help with the planting being "tedious" but overall adding enough to the Que to grow multiples of the same plant in equal pots, right now the ques is 5 plants, why not just go ahead and make that 6. so a player can grow two of each plant.

~~An upgrade on Time to grow, or an addition to the Magic water fertilizer that is made available in the Token shop. people have brought up the grow time as an issue a think tank may need to be put into effectiveness for this purpose.

~~Magic water active item that nurtures and freezes a plant when its fully grown so it will never wilt (this can be made as multiple items 50%-100% happiness for plant or just different items entirely this is a open idea that was squelched. It was not defined as being a addition for eater shop but some people were talking DIA shop add-on, they even talked about making it a equip item for a housemaid.

~~Add a perm house energy addition (limited by home type and character level) example: a one floor house addition (see one floor home concept) would have a +5 base energy, two story's would add +7 and the biggest would add +10. clearly a more seasoned adventurer would have a fuller home but I do highly recommend if you do this you really really make the player EARN the energy addition for levels but don't skimp out on it eater.

~~Add planting tables (one furniture item that acts as multiple pots) again this is a highly open topic idea and a opening to add glowing things to the cash shop. You Paying Players love glowing things right.

~~One story home types (would actually work well in the ruby shop) the concept is simply adding more one story options for players that DON'T want to have extensive elaborate homes with multiple layer. the players that can often go for the bigger homes anyway and the only reason I haven't bought a house type yet is the confusion that the home types will go away if there is no house energy. so lets clarify that and simply say if its not done the home types need to be a no energy function meaning I should be able to keep my home TYPE even if I don't have the energy to keep the furniture in it.

~~Home energy stones: stones that will keep a home fully fueled on energy for a period of time. The player homes are a good perk in the game by adding and improving how they function you can turn them into a free advertisement item. if the free players love an aspect about the game enough they generate word of mount, tats free advertisement ROM and a good enough reason to give them perks. It is a give take you can only give so much but you want to have quality and that's the bottom line offer all around quality.

~~Make buy for coin furniture sell-able/destructible (why is it even not trade-able? is it because people were coning players through AH? well just make it unable to be put in Auction house problem solved.)

Please note this is just the tip of iceberg (we are talking titanic sinker) that is a long list of ideas I found/had/talked about with other people off forms where we can freely cuss about the squelches. Without negativity some items became "well I am OK with where it winds up in the end so long as there is enough quality for free players as well." in the end the only reason half these items were suggested as freebies was in hopes they would become trade able items very few to generate positive word of mount (free advertisement) for ROM by providing something that gets new players attention.

So lets do the good ideas a solid and no negativity about it no arguing the point lets let the staff decide where these thing in the end ind up or if the enter the game lets just give them good ideas on how to improve. and remember people worrying about ROMS server wallet they have to pay for advertisement one way or the other lest at least take some of that and make it help the server keep its players agreed?

No more taking away free perks that already are in the game (lets leave that option up to the staff that has a better idea about what their findings looks like than us) and no bashing on something because it has to be free to work as intended remember some of these items generate positive world of mouth in the FTP community. And ROM has some HEAVY competition form Megaten, Prefectworld, Rappelz, GrandFantasia, and even World of Warcraft.

ROM needs its players to be as creative as possible and not kill each others creativity so Pictures and concept art items are also allowed. Bashers and I repeat this again to elaborate this, WILL BE called out and asked to change their post.


so its OK for you to bash people's constructive, well thought out responses, but nobody can bash your ideas? BTW I didn't even bother reading past the "no bashing" section...

I don't think you understand how a conversation works...not everybody is going to agree with you, your job is to convince them that you are right, in a mature, sophisticated manner, not complain, bitch, and otherwise whine about the fact that they are, in your opinion, "wrong", and must be stifled...

wait, this isn't agreeing with you, so it doesn't belong on the thread...your ideas are different than GF, they don't belong on the forum...
^ your logic, not mine...

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Sunday, April 28th 2013, 6:08am

Quoted from "Cike;599432"

so its OK for you to bash people's constructive, well thought out responses, but nobody can bash your ideas? BTW I didn't even bother reading past the "no bashing" section...

wait, this isn't agreeing with you, so it doesn't belong on the thread...your ideas are different than GF, they don't belong on the forum...


Agreed

I doubt you spend money on the game so leave. It wont hurt GF cause.... they didnt make money off of you anyway. We also wont have to see this dribble anymore. More importantly, you wont be annoyed and feel the need to try to fix it by making these horrid posts.

GF wins
We Win
You ..... are better off cause your nerdrage is either vented somewhere else or gone

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Sunday, April 28th 2013, 6:28am

Quoted from "Dkjester;599433"


GF wins
We Win


I don't think we ever win, neither dos Gameforge, since even F2P's are needed in F2P games, as they make up a large chunk pf the population, and keeps the P2W friends/guildies going.

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I agree with OP's first suggestion to make lower level outfits (I'm assuming OP means gear) unbound. Its on thing that Gameforge absolutely refuses to do, even though it won't hurt their profits as much, and would be very benefitial to the few new players we have.

But I disagree making mounts free. Mounts are a more "convenience" item and is not really the cause of any issues in this game as far as I know. The problem with the cash shop is the pay to win aspect of it, such as Puris/Plussing jewels being absolutely necessary, whereas a permanent mount is not. I went by for a year buying 7 day mounts using in game Phirius Tokens or Rental Ticks that sometimes gives 7 or 30 day mounts until I got my permanent one.
Being a one time buy and 50% sales for mounts, it really isn't a problem. Even most F2P have 1, if not several permanent mounts by the time they reach level cap.

Not sure what you mean by Magic Stones... And skipped most of the planting since I know absolutely nothing about planting.
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Sunday, April 28th 2013, 6:29am

Interesting ideas but i do believe that there are some easier ways to get good word of mouth. Creating new items may not be the answer.i think that a revised cash shop(lower all prices by 30% permantly).second lets make a 20 dollar purchase give 1k diamonds.if the cash shop was a little less expensive more people will buy dias.
all gear modification items in the shop permanantly(abls,drillers,plussers and puris)all drillers and stones all the time.
more people buying diamonds the more available to ftp players.less cost for dias means less cost on the ah.

i did read the whole thread too......
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Sunday, April 28th 2013, 6:35am

Quoted from "Dkjester;599433"

Agreed

I doubt you spend money on the game so leave. It wont hurt GF cause.... they didnt make money off of you anyway. We also wont have to see this dribble anymore. More importantly, you wont be annoyed and feel the need to try to fix it by making these horrid posts.

GF wins
We Win
You ..... are better off cause your nerdrage is either vented somewhere else or gone


I'm amazed the OP still plays, all I hear from the OP is "this is a crap game, I hate it, it needs to be remade"
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Sunday, April 28th 2013, 7:41am

<-- didn't make it past the first sentence where OP self-importantly ordered us all to agree with him/her.

Jaysus.

Look. I write really long posts too. And people give me (possibly well-deserved) crap for it. FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT'S HOLY, please spend some time organizing your ideas in a way that doesn't make people want to stab their own eyeballs out. And seriously, I refuse to read anything if you're going to try and order me around. Forget that BS.

Ok, so I skimmed a little til I got to "cretin shortfalls less hazardous." That word, I do not think it means what you think it means. Actually I have no friggin clue what you're even trying to say.

None of this drivel makes any freaking sense. Like two people in the game give a flying rat's patootie about permanent mount costs? You are aware that there are already make-your-own mount and thirty day rental options in game, and even a horse guy in every zone? Mounts are like the LAST thing in this game that need to be re-thought.

There already is a way to freeze a plant so it doesn't wilt and it doesn't cost anything... look in the planting interface for crying out loud. The only original idea in this steaming pile is planting tables, and it's not new because you brought it up in one of the other 5 THREADS you have made in the last 2 or 3 DAYS.

And can we please get a round of applause for the bit at the end where you tell us all we can only post to agree with you there at the end? Or perhaps contribute some concept art to your magnum opus? And if we didn't obey you, you'd call us out and make us change our posts?

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were a Mentor. Looks like a cactus took a wrong turn at Albuquerque.

On another note, if I send you a freaking permanent mount, will you STFU about it? Forever and ever and ever?
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Sunday, April 28th 2013, 7:58am

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;599451"


On another note, if I send you a freaking permanent mount, will you STFU about it? Forever and ever and ever?


I'd go 50/50 with ya fan...