Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;600448"

http://web.archive.org/web/2010081501391…ead.php?t=14676

Mah case, I rest it now. 2009, pure magic build. Some of the skills have changed, but the principle is the same. Looky looky Lav, warmages have been "doin it rong" since Chapter 2.

Quoted from "Lavenderine;600634"

That's right, they have been doing it wrong all along and now you are doing it all wrong as well. You might as well jump from the roof, because another random dude did that once before. That's nothing more than being a false-believer, a pagan. The fact that someone made guide first of how to use only 2 skills for magic this class had before me or first, doesn't mean anything here and is nothing more than earth is flat theory. This is directly comparable to how to be full healer guide for all x/P combinations, because they have UH and Regen, which is also exacty the same point I already mentioned earlier.

Quoted from "Lavenderine;600634"

Talk more people, it looks so silly when you show your lack of knowledge and even cross-talk each others. I don't know if for some of you it's your mates who pressure you or if you post something stupid just for the sake of posting something against me. My earlier post about W/M being P.dmg with little bit of M.dmg hybrid side does not only explain damages, skills (even couple other skills I didn't mention) as well as all the new elites and gear in the game as well. You people are just being silly here. I won't bother replying to the most ridiculous and off-topic related posts this time.



Because it is very "serious". Any neutral non-biased person smart enough would see real art of W/M from far away.




I'm manly enough to acknowledge your critism and suggestion there is fair enough. I do agree that all the changes I've suggested aren't necessary all together with each other and some of them together would be a "bit" overshooting. Likely chain only would be enough for many cases.

ReagenL needs a special mention here as it seems to be one of the rare posts here smart enough, which isn't completely lost like a blind man in middle of nowhere together with the rest of the troll posters and people who do not seem to have even a clue of how the class they are playing works. Too much AFK battles or IB maybe? Human brains needs some stimulus after all to stay sharp...



That's right, they have been doing it wrong all along and now you are doing it all wrong as well. You might as well jump from the roof, because another random dude did that once before. That's nothing more than being a false-believer, a pagan. The fact that someone made guide first of how to use only 2 skills for magic this class had before me or first, doesn't mean anything here and is nothing more than earth is flat theory. This is directly comparable to how to be full healer guide for all x/P combinations, because they have UH and Regen, which is also exacty the same point I already mentioned earlier.

Quoted from "Lavenderine;600711"

As for the rest who so much believe that W/M isn't meant to be or can't even be P.dmg class:

I suppose you guys have none of these "Warrior Skills", they just happen to disappear and magically go *poof* once people pick Mage as secondary class. What is nearly as ridiculous logic as those people who think that P/W cannot heal any at all because all their healing skills suddenly goes *poof* as well and you can never ever use them again and even priest without secondary at all will heal better because the still have those skills.

Quoted from "Cike;600712"

if the only skills you are using on w/m is the magic ones, you are sorely missing out on some of the great utility skills...shout, charge...also, I could be wrong, but I didn't think p/w DPS or tank statted didn't even have viable heals, so what the point in trying if pots are better?

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;600722"

Be specific Cike. Lavenderine is upset because I subverted his ridiculous religious reference with an equally ridiculous religious reference of my own.

Pagan does not mean "heretic." Pagan is a legitimate religion, albeit one that I personally do not ascribe to.

However, I will agree that the whole metaphor, along with the post above, is becoming grotesque. As much as I have inflicted on the forums in the past, I don't think I ever subjected the forumgoers to a detailed description of the movements of my bowels, which I assure you are offtopic in every sense.

I think this needs to be a new message-board law ala Godwins. When a subject degenerates to describing yourself taking a dump, it's all over. You lose.

Think the OP requested this thread to be closed, forum mods. I concur.

If I offended you, Lavenderine, and I can tell that I did, I do sincerely apologize, but the point still stands. Comparing the opposition of your views on a class combo to people being unbelievers in a religion is... completely inappropriate. Laughably so.

Quoted from "Cike;600728"

not that I like to disagree with you, but a pagan is one who is part of religion or cult not widely accepted. while many of those who are pagan have close, almost identical, beliefs, there is no religion "paganism", the pagan is simply following his own faith, which may or may not resemble the faith of others who are also labeled "pagan". while many refer to smaller faiths as the "pagan faith", it is an umbrella term to describe the general disconnect from the established or dominant faith.

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As for the rest who so much believe that W/M isn't meant to be or can't even be P.dmg class:

I suppose you guys have none of these "Warrior Skills", they just happen to disappear and magically go *poof* once people pick Mage as secondary class. What is nearly as ridiculous logic as those people who think that P/W cannot heal any at all because all their healing skills suddenly goes *poof* as well and you can never ever use them again and even priest without secondary at all will heal better because the still have those skills. Problem here is as FOTM people usually run after one OP skill or other mainsream stuff while failing to see whole picture in all of it's glory (after all all they care is the easy DPS). Classes are not defined by only one skill, but as a whole. One skill here and there are just to give a direction, are no more than option to make the class function little bit different to other classes.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885;600765"

From Wikipedia, and I realize you can't use Wiki references in a college paper, but I think surely they're acceptable on the RoM forums (lol):

"Paganism (from Late Latin paganus, meaning "country dweller", "rustic", "civilian", "non-combatant")^[1] is a broad term typically pertaining to indigenous and historical polytheistic and non-theistic religious traditions - primarily those of cultures known to the classical world.In a wider sense, it has been used as a label for any non-Abrahamic folk/ethnic religion. It was historically used as one of several pejorative Christian counterparts to "gentile" (גוי / נכר&#1497 as used in the Hebrew Bible - comparable to "infidel" or "heretic". Modern ethnologists often avoid this broad usage in favour of more specific and less potentially offensive terms such as "polytheism", "shamanism", "pantheism", or "animism" when referring to traditional or historical faiths.
Since the 20th century, "Paganism" (or "Neopaganism") has become the identifier for a collection of new religious movements attempting to continue, revive, or reconstruct historical pre-Abrahamic religion.^[2]"

So if we're gonna split hairs Cike, we're both right, to an extent. It is a blanket term, but it does describe a system of belief- which is a religion. I would argue you don't need to tack the word "Neo-" onto it for it to describe a form of religious belief which is still extant. Religions don't have to be organized or theist to be religions. There are lots of people who self-reference themselves as "Pagans."

However, using your definition makes Lav's claims that his "beliefs" are the "orthodox" ones, and the rest of us are the "infidels" that much funnier, now doesn't it? Since we actually have the more dominant viewpoint.

Who's the pagan now?

Yeah this thread has wandered so far off topic now it ain't funny anymore.

Quoted from "Lavenderine;601030"

Unlesss of course they would finally fix this flawed combination and prevent them from using Staffs and Wands all at once which probably sounds the best idea and still allows W/M for the widest mixup of gear. Downside of that critical path of removing Staffs & Wands would of course be that it would kill all those fake W/M wannabes completely (as smartly pointed out by reagenL might be a bit too harsh), but removing ability to use Cloth (or maybe limiting Staff/Wand weapon skill a lot to make them miss hits, maybe as a bit worse idea), would still work for both sides the best.

Quoted from "Lavenderine;601030"

W/M doesn't work very well as how it has been designed, since fake W/M mage side has been mistakely boosted without limiter to make real W/M look trashy, thus leading broken design. They are broken, they need fixing and this is exactly this thread is here.

Quoted from "Lavenderine;601030"

Another note, if you played r/m, would you enjoy it if they suddenly boosted one magical skill like FB on that class so hard, that it would completely destroy you and make it worthless to even play without full magical build when mages laugh at you while spamming op-FB...

Quoted from "Lavenderine;601030"

All people who don't know the real W/M this of course doesn't make any sense, while any smart person will see the real W/M art instantly and will understand every move there and clueless person will only see the highest DPS in his scrudickinizer.

Quoted from "Lavenderine;601030"

Now I'm going to say it once again, this thread is serious and moved up a notch since the original post, so stop misdirecting or trolling my thread please & thank you. I think this thread has so many pages, because people know in deep inside them that it's serious, makes perfect sense and even affects their FOTM wrong fake-W/M-mage combo...

Quoted from "Lavenderine;601030"

(PS. Oh, yeah, forgot some P/W reference, so dummier people can comment on non-related things while completely missing the points, so here it is... the word P/W has been mentioned now not only once, but twice.)

Quoted from "Lavenderine;601030"

What is nearly as ridiculous logic as those people who think that P/W cannot heal any at all because all their healing skills suddenly goes *poof* as well and you can never ever use them again and even priest without secondary at all will heal better because the still have those skills.

Quoted from "effervescent;601048"

Can't believe I got through that wall-of-text post, disgusting sock analogy and all. You have so many misconceptions about how this game works that it's astonishing.

Quoted from "ycavan;601113"

After reading and reading... I think what could definitely make hybrids more viable is to change stat ratios based on the current combo instead of the current primary.