Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "effervescent;600771"

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Oh, sorry, you were still here? I can't really take any serious a person who already showed pure ignorance in his earlier posts and said that he didn't even read all stuff before posting. That explains at least half of your clueless comments with missed points and on the other half... think you are just bit lost at everything anyway. Either way, stop trolling my thread, this is Warriormage suggestions - part2 already. You will just have to read to pick up with the rest or give up as I'm not goint to explain old points again and I've already written a lot here to this thread, my personal internet diary...

Quoted from "ycavan;601113"

After reading and reading... I think what could definitely make hybrids more viable is to change stat ratios based on the current combo instead of the current primary.

This is very interesting suggestion. Add more specialization to stats for class combination itself. Base attributes of each class, which are used to boost stats of primary class when used as secondary class, are way too minimal and outdated to make any real difference since a long time. I would still ask more details or example of how you think some class combination should receive stats when all this starts to get little bit more complicated. You can even use your P/W as example, if it's easier with your own class rather than W/M (this thread seems to be half P/W thread anyway and now you have even special privilege to make one such a post... other people of course aren't allowed to go off-topic W/M thread, ok?).


We have already slowly reached Warriormage suggestion - part2 and people who have read all the books published so far, should be much smarter already or really brainfucked. Those who haven't read, too bad... You can still keep ignoring any information and common sense and believe in your AFK-is-the-correct-design -delusions or that changes are bad. If for some strange reason RW ever decides that this class was designed to be whitehitbob, huge nerf and possible limitation for Electrical Rage should still be pretty inevitable.

Quoted from "Cike;601361"

"delusions"? it's what works best, so common sense dictates it would be the "correct" way to play the class...try and roll a chain wearing, axe swinging PA w/m before you jump to the conclusion that every1 is playing it wrong...please keep us updated so we can see the failure that it is...

It's not called common sense, it's called that thing, where your third eye dominates your choices, which is typical FoTM logic. There we have nothing more than a broken skill.

Something bit similar to what has happened with W/M goes with old jokish, but real-life story example; A worker was making a door. He starts to install the door and sees that the door doesn't fit, it seems to be a bit too high from the top. He takes door off and starts to cut off some piece to make it shorter. He tries to place door again, but door still doesn't seems to fit too well just yet. He makes sure his calculations are correct this time and goes to cut yet another piece hoping that he would get it correct this time. He tries to place door again, but surprisingly the door still doesn't seem to fit. He then realizes that he has actually cut pieces off from the wrong side and now there is a huge cap on the bottom side of the door. Worker goes to bar & gets drunk. The End.

Quoted from "EsxCape;601371"

Oh this thread is still going?

Of course this thread is still alive and kicking. Some people are just giving up as they find enlightenment and the real meaning of W/M. Also my personal goal is to reach 10 pages at least, and I will even argue with myself those last pages if that's necessary (but of course because I'm such a badass Russian-Taiwanese, I'd very likely have to resort to one-liner personal attacks against myself and that wouldn't be really nice sight for the youngest of families).

Clicky, clicky: http://i.imgur.com/D3R7BNh.jpg

Quoted from "effervescent;601495"

Trololol.

Yeah, I'm totally clueless. Sorry that I didn't understand that W/Ms can do great physical and magical damage at the same time, and P/Ws can do awesome damage on their Rising Tides, as well as pushing out good heals, all while using their physical elites.

Actually you are completely wrong & lost here and before. If you think W/M hybrids are weak or do not work in this game at all, using whatever crap logic and knowledge you have about this game and it's skill mechanism. It's becoming pretty obvious that you don't have any clue about the game meachanism, endgame or W/M and it's skills at all.

Also excuse me, but your profile doesn't fit either of those "smart" and "non-biased" -categories there, so I'm not too surprised that you cannot see the real W/M art. All it fits is one trollish clueless dude. Person whose signature basically says retired and judging from posts, obviously has never seen any endgame content or W/M and thinks he knows much, doesn't count as a smart, nor very neutral poster here. Also a person who doesn't even read posts and clearly favour specific side from the very beginning only repeating one word in each of his posts "clueless", yet still thinking he would be neutral, doesn't classify as smart person at all, nor is very neutral either for very obvious reasons. That is like being double dumb and double biased (aka non-neutral). Unless of course somehow this worked bit like a math and multiplying double negative dumbs with each other we would somehow get out one positive smart. This theory would then likely lead us to an equation something similar to;
(-dumb) * (-dumb) + (-biased) * (-biased) = (+smart) + (+neutral)
...in which case your opinion here really indeed would be smart and neutral, but this is not the case. In reality as it has been proven manytimes and saying goes; "in a group stupidity only increases", which leads us to the real equation, thus;
(dumb * dumb) + (biased * biased) = (super stupidity) + (extra biased)
Now, *hush*, *hush* little doggy, stop humping my leg! Go away trolling my thread...


Then I'll pick up another mysterious card from my magical card deck of bad fortune here. Just to mention that the real W/M hybrid aka P.dmg build mixed with little bit of M.att, has very high potential, maybe to even become the next FoTM. They are just bit more dependend on stacking many of those buffs already available in the game to get out the full potential and avoid falling short on another side in harder places. Plussing up gear and using good stats getting all those small extra is just bit more important than for some other classes to keep hybrid the most competitive everywhere. The biggest thing likely to hold them back is that you actually need to stat, gear & rune them slightly different compared to other warriors and they just haven't been too popular for different misbeliefs and next to other FoTM combos. Lot of stuff that actually works wonders with the real W/M hybrids has been added and been hidden on a plain sight for a long time.

Ridiculous strength of 60 elite hitting hard even with axes and swords, combined with the huge amount of M.att buffs available together with strong self-buff (excluding some foods which are reserved)... W/M are strong even with a lot smaller unbuffed M.atk values while majority of the stats are for STR and P.att. You can literally triple the M.atk from UB values and even more if you use M.att foods too together with many other buffs. New POM gears and orange stats (thx for all those ridiculous events, new yellow stats seems still worse and maybe new content will be doomed with everyone burning past them during first day?) and other stronger pieces even leave easily free spots to swap in some extra M.crit Mage Cloth with STR/Patk statting, while still having pretty high P.crit and loads of P.atk (in other words, Chain only is a nerf for both sides actually). Sadly enough Lightning's Touch plainly sucks, Lightning is more of a pure root and Fireball is only good for killing time and being little bit more useful while Charge is on CD or before Charging from long distance by tickling enemies (unless you kill gearless players in SW). Defence skills are there to give back that small amount you might lose sacrifising some stats for Hybridishm to help class stay alive better. Also don't forget that class combo gets still equal of physical related elite skills rather than false AFK-is-the-way-with-onetwo-skill-halusination W/M mage DPS wannabes.


PS. don't know if it's intended and just feature, but since they fixed Lightning Burn Weapon to give that small P.acc apparently from Electric Weapon, but P.crit from Lava Weapon is still not included to 60 elite.

Quoted from "Borella;601734"

Stat up a w/m with physical and magical, and go dps an endgame instance. Post screenshots of your damage. I'd love to see your supposedly "great hyrbrid that could be the next FoTM." Until then, you're clueless raving about something you have no idea about.

Just because you can go read the warrior skills and think that automatically means "oh, they have to do physical damage!" doesn't make you able to tell all the w/m's they're playing it wrong. If you'd ever even played one, you would know that the physical build does. not. work. If you go physical on a w/m, you might as well just go warrior/nothing because you'll be about that useful.

But, no, seriously. Pics of your dps in an endgame instance on a physical w/m. Let's see it. Otherwise you're just, as Catorii has repeated several times, completely clueless about how this game works.

Woah, Jr. IceBlader talking. Your whole post is just so full lack of knowledge that I just have to quote whole crap to keep it here & print this shit on my wall. You just prove that you don't know anything about W/M, damages and buffs, skills and game mechanism of this game... That's probably what I expect from you anyway after some P/S stuff I read...


Hohhohoo, so people start to wake up from their winter sleep when something about being FoTM is mentioned. I suppose all FoTM-bs would also suddenly jump in a bandwagon and start to support this hybrid idea instantly, if it actually makes more damage than mage build. Too bad this is just a teaser and you have to make another thread or fail yourself to find out how the real W/M works in practice, since there seems to be not many who know much enough about game to smell how things work like Sylar. It shouldn't be too hard to guess what kind of average damage you'd be getting even without asking or seeing, if you FoTM-bs actually knew anything about skills & game mechanism or could even do a simple 1+1=X calculation, which just further proves my points about your cluelesness that you actually have to ask such a simple thing (no, I'm not talking about skills as in experience as in years). I'm pretty sure, answering to scrutinizer question should be very easy for anyone who actually plays the game and knows more than one-button-whatever-someone-told-to-you-to-spam. I'll be nice enough and even give you a little hint: "A plane is a plane & planes fly, a ship is a ship & ships sail". That should make solving this puzzle more than easy enough... I can say it's still much better combination than having a Warrior without secondary.

...but, hey we are here to fix, improve and bring this class combination to the right direction, which alone should tell that there is something wrong. Of course class need some fine-tuning before they will really become FoTM, as they aren't the easiest and most likely class to shine on the top of scrudickinizer. Their skill design defintely needs improvements to make more than one elite skill useful (which also affects both sides sadly). Yet W/M is one of the most potential hybrid classes in the game and I'm not talking about wannabobmages. Easiest way to start fixing this class combination and take the first step to right direction would be to get rid of the biggest cancer holding them back alias wannabe-FoTM-false-W/M-fake-BS-mages.

Looking at it from another perspective, instead of limiting mage side with something that doesn't affect too much real W/M (Electical Rage definetly need limits for mage side regardless, which is a bit harder part, but earlier suggestions might work wonders.). They could also boost damage of some magic based skills if Axe/Swords are being used. Lightning'a Touch should get boosted for the real W/M, but with 2s or higher CD. Then again, just in case, RW has been smoking too much weed and has decided that this class was designed to be 1-skill miracle and all physical crap are just a bug. Then Electrical Rage should be nerfed to cap close to 20% when all 3 stacks are on, as well as 2s CD added there too. (invisible remark; every or at least nearly every spammable instant skill in the game should have at least 2s CD minimum). This class combination is way too dependant on having to rely on stacking different buffs.

Here some rutiniser picture and nudity as wished. Maybe someone of them might even play warrior which probably would be already higher number than some repliers knowledge here.
-srutiniser against CV boss: http://s13.postimg.org/e509a6px3/srutiniser.jpg
-nudity: http://rmonline.ru/gallery/missbikini2012/

I wonder if all these words will now help those so wanted potential new players to find RoM throught google as well... Many new keywords will now return searches to RoM pages hopefully. Maybe it will help even more if I mention Justin Bieber too and this thread is soon going to be on top of google search suggestions. Justin Bieber and nudity in same message will definetly increase visitors here, but might be a bit overkill. "Fixing many problems at once, since 1970" ...and no welcome btw.

Quoted from "Rossbot;601812"

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Well, using Phys accessories and making most of the gear normal warrior gear while statting mostly like normal warriors, but little bit necessary INT too. Values may vary depending of course what kind of mix for gear and stats pimping is used, but W/M will end up with still pretty high, but lower P.att than to normal Warrior, bit lower HP, from high to medium P.Crit depending on how many pieces are for Mages. M.atk will be naturally pretty low whetever couple M.atk Chain or Cloth gear are used (each such piece will lower P.att/P.crit), but M.dmg from whitehits were never meant to be the main damage output anyway. There are also loads of M.att buffs, including strong self buff to give huge boost and better balance to that side when it's starting values are lower to boost over 100k even from 30k. M.dmg and attack speed will of course be narutally bit worse than with staffs/wands, but at least warriors can still wear talisman (yey, for all 1-H lowers). Then again of course if you know where so called soft caps are and if you can hit P.att soft caps with whatever army of buffs you stack. There is a possibility to optimize that per instance and put all the overflowing P.atk stats for INT and M.att instead.

Then again this thread is not about how to AFK properly as W/M or other how to do damage guides. When 1-skill bobs rape real W/M eyes closed with design error skill, there is a serious problem...

Quoted from "Cike;601810"

reni's here...this has officially become a troll thread...(not that it was really anything else before...)

What, this thread was very serious and still is. Just too many FoTM trolls and wannabobmages here trying to turn my precious thread into a circus caravan, hoping that RW wouldn't find this out from all the mess and finally start to fixing W/M. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNRDgRSp2Yc


Those wannabe mages should go to their own mage thread making their own M/x suggestions to boost their own classes (just borrowing some famous words from forums here) instead of trying to destroy this promising class combination with their whitehit-mage-poop. This class already has nice base structure, but needs just bit fine-tuning before they can fully put to use their real design. No wonder how some people always whine how RW is shit and know nothing about nothing when players themselves have no clue how the things work and the best thing people can come up is something amongst lines; "1-usefull skill hits hard, this class was definetly designed purely for spamming this.", because a hole in their very complicated dualclass 1+1=3 game design.

The hell, since this is W/M so "half"-mage thread, I can even give you mages some simple suggestions so you can get started and go start your own thread; "Increase DPS of instant skills to overdamage Flame/casting time spells DPS outside burst "clearly", but never to over damage single Flame/Casting time spell.". This might bring them this your so wanted extra damage outside burst, while not affecting their burst. This would also make the class mechanism much better when one actually could then rotate skills for maximum potential instead of having each slot in skill bar filled with Flame only (and each key in keyboard binded to flame so you can imagine playing piano in a tone with youtube video, while playing mage and once song has been played, way to next boss has been already cleared. No, I don't admit ever doing that.). They could also rework Phoenix and Meteor Shower, which are likely one of the least used skills (Phoenix offers nothing, that TS or Purga cannot do already better and is annoying enough to even target at enemies). PvP then again is a bit another thing and there are couple flaws with this ideas balancing like 2s casts spells, but that's something which you have to figure out yourselves in your mage threads. There, now you have something simple to get started. Actually while I'm at it... Flame should be changed to 2s cast, it's ridiculous that strongest spell has strongest effect eruption to boost it even more and most M/x have another extra elite to boost this skill even more by additional effects (Ex. M/P Crit Resist debuff, M/W casting speed buff etc.). Instead of Flame, Electric Expolsion should be changed to a 3s cast. This way you will have nice 2s cast with a chance to erupt, and PA->EE combination will become much better balanced next to Flame. Damage of DOT from Electric Bolt should be increased little bit, but main hit is fine. Maybe Plasma Arrow should increase Critical Rate bit more or for a longer duration or maybe EE damage boost from PA effect should get better boost instead. There you have, no welcome. Many good ideas to get you started to bring Mage to better direction... And no, I never played Mage. I'm K/Wd/Ch (very good combination btw.) and I just happened to play with some mages in guild back in the times, so I learned a lot when they were playing tipsy and were talking a lot...