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Thursday, May 23rd 2013, 10:11pm

Quoted from "kokall;601989"

In my onpinion,

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I used very respectable counter arguements in the form of simple questions.


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Thursday, May 23rd 2013, 10:12pm

All this thread has been from the beginning is the OP making silly suggestions and then yelling at and abusing anyone who dares to disagree with them. You and Lavenderine should get together.
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Thursday, May 23rd 2013, 10:19pm

Quoted from "Borella;601996"

All this thread has been from the beginning is the OP making silly suggestions and then yelling at and abusing anyone who dares to disagree with them. You and Lavenderine should get together.


and SilverRosa or whoever that was...

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Thursday, May 23rd 2013, 10:26pm

In my opinion, my opinion does not agree with the OP's opinion, but the opinion of the opinion is relative to the opinion. :P

yes plz close. now that raves' opinion has met the OP's opinion, there will be a lot more opinions flying around, and im my opinion, the GM's opinion would be, they wouldnt like it. i think ive successfully confused myself.
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Thursday, May 23rd 2013, 10:46pm

Thanks to all the pessimists and trolls for the bumps. I couldn't of done it without you.

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Thursday, May 23rd 2013, 10:51pm

Quoted from "kokall;602005"

Thanks to all the pessimists and trolls for the bumps. I couldn't of done it without you.


Might want to look up the definition of a troll and a pessimist. You might be surprised to find out that the definition is not "Everyone who doesn't agree with me."
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Thursday, May 23rd 2013, 10:53pm

Quoted from "kokall;602005"

Thanks to all the pessimists and trolls for the bumps. I couldn't of done it without you.


No, thank you. We'd have nothing to troll without you.
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Thursday, May 23rd 2013, 11:12pm

Quoted from "Borella;601996"

All this thread has been from the beginning is the OP making silly suggestions and then yelling at and abusing anyone who dares to disagree with them. You and Lavenderine should get together.


Back it up, quote something I yelled or something abusive I've said.

Only people I disrespect are those who have been disrespectful to me first.

To any opinions wihtout attacks, I have simply explained why I disagreed.

You can think I'm the bad guy if you want, but if you're going to post it then at least back it up with some quotes. Maybe I can clarify something you missunderstood or something I said incorrectly. I'm not perfect.

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Thursday, May 23rd 2013, 11:15pm

Quoted from "Borella;602010"

Might want to look up the definition of a troll and a pessimist. You might be surprised to find out that the definition is not "Everyone who doesn't agree with me."


I'm fine with people who don't agree with me. I even said that a combination of other solutions accomplishes many of the same goals as my suggestions. I just like mine better because of the extra few benefits they offer. There may not be many but their impact could be huge I think. No guarantees of course, just my opinion.

Am I attacking anyone in saying that? Am I abusing anyone? Am I not accepting other peoples sensible opinions?

I'm not saying I've accepted all the pessimism and garbage people have spewed out based on assumptions but I believe that I have been open to sensible opinions that differed from my own. If I haven't then please show me where. I could of made mistakes, I'm not perfect.

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Thursday, May 23rd 2013, 11:51pm

Quoted from "kokall;601079"

pff you'd love it! you just like to oppose people on forums i've noticed, that's my opinion!

you make no arguements just spew crap, you even admit to derailing threads


You asked for a post where you are yelling at someone who doesn't agree with you, there you go.

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Friday, May 24th 2013, 12:31am

Quoted from "Ziav;602028"

You asked for a post where you are yelling at someone who doesn't agree with you, there you go.


Thank you! Good quote! I can see how that may look bad if you don't actually know Cike's history. I checked his history and he bragged about derailing threads in a few posts.

So I just wanted to point out that he had no substantial arguements and a questionable post history so nobody would take his reply seriously.

I may of been a bit dismissive of his opinion with the pfff, but I tried to be clear it was just my opinion of his that I was expressing. I honestly didn't believe he was expression a real sincere opinion, and I still don't.

Any other quotes? I'm happy to clarify anything I've said.

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Friday, May 24th 2013, 12:58am

Quoted from "kokall;602029"

Thank you! Good quote! I can see how that may look bad if you don't actually know Cike's history. I checked his history and he bragged about derailing threads in a few posts.

So I just wanted to point out that he had no substantial arguements and a questionable post history so nobody would take his reply seriously.

I may of been a bit dismissive of his opinion with the pfff, but I tried to be clear it was just my opinion of his that I was expressing. I honestly didn't believe he was expression a real sincere opinion, and I still don't.

Any other quotes? I'm happy to clarify anything I've said.


kokall actually has a point with this post...

and "bragging" is a little strong, i like to refer to it as "observing"

happy to bump any threads with senseless comments :D

also, it's not that i like disagreeing with people, i just try to help people flesh out their argument with a little devil's advocate...i just enjoy seeing all sides of an discussion

also also, aside from being distracting, derailing, and otherwise annoying forumgoers, i am really pretty harmless, i don't see why people get so worked up tbh...
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Friday, May 24th 2013, 1:23am

Quoted from "Cike;602030"

kokall actually has a point with this post...

and "bragging" is a little strong, i like to refer to it as "observing"

happy to bump any threads with senseless comments :D

also, it's not that i like disagreeing with people, i just try to help people flesh out their argument with a little devil's advocate...i just enjoy seeing all sides of an discussion

also also, aside from being distracting, derailing, and otherwise annoying forumgoers, i am really pretty harmless, i don't see why people get so worked up tbh...


ya i guess it's the reactions you get that you like not the act of disagreeing... i knew what you were doing so it didn't really bother me... why i just wrote a short quick reply... anyways i appreciate the bumps :)

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Friday, May 24th 2013, 1:24am

Quoted from "mindlessthinker;601940"


As I remember it when I was in an endgame guild, they had about 300mil sitting in their banks collecting dust. I don't exactly think it's difficult for them to come up with the money. On top of that, it's really only the endgamers who need them, so it won't be affecting anyone who is still in the process of gearing. Furthermore, the endgamers are always complaining that it's "so easy" now to run instances, so a little challenge like getting more money for repairs doesn't seem all that spectacularly terrible.

But, if that's something the rich people are going to cry about, then there are still plenty of other things they use that are cheap right now. (Again, Big Angel Sighs to prevent exp debt at level cap...still popular with endgamers--why?). God's Redemption Tickets for endgamers who make all those alts, or for those who are starting out with their first character and don't feel very punished for dying. Daily reset tickets, house energy, potions, etc.

Also, off topic, I have a question for you effervescent---why are you still in the RoM forums when your signature says you've quit and that the game is dead? It's very confounding, lol.


And how, may I ask, do you think people actually get to endgame? By not dying once while trying to learn strats for hardmode instances? Please. It becomes very expensive when you're not at a point where you can easily clear an instance but are trying to progress through it and learn the bosses - not everyone trying KBNHM has "300m" lying around to spend on hammers, and with how much dura loss you get per death, you burn through hammers fast.

As for me, I still care about RoM quite a bit, which is why I'm still here after 3 years, and why up until recently I kept coming back. Still hoping they can turn it around and make this game what it should be. Why should I not voice my opinion on the downsides of a game I've played for three years? Player concerns are legitimate. Reasons why people quit are legitimate. There are things about this game that are killing it, and I'd assume most players who are here but aren't playing anymore are here in the hopes that maybe our suggestions or feedback will make a difference. Effort that's in vain, probably, but still.

@ thread - The changes listed here really wouldn't help the game like the OP claims, IMO. There are many things Gameforge could do to lessen the p2w-fest that is the gearing system, but there are far better options than completely re-hauling how gear works. You might as well just re-release the game with those changes and call it Runes of Magic 2 for how much it'll resemble the current. No game developer in their right mind is going to make such drastic changes on a game when the current system gains them a lot of money.

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Friday, May 24th 2013, 2:07am

Quoted from "effervescent;602032"

@ thread - The changes listed here really wouldn't help the game like the OP claims, IMO. There are many things Gameforge could do to lessen the p2w-fest that is the gearing system, but there are far better options than completely re-hauling how gear works. You might as well just re-release the game with those changes and call it Runes of Magic 2 for how much it'll resemble the current. No game developer in their right mind is going to make such drastic changes on a game when the current system gains them a lot of money.


Again, I just have to say I think it sounds like a bigger overhaul then it would be. But really, I can't state that with anymore certainty than anyone saying it's too much work. What I can say is that I would like to assume the best and let the people in charge and their programmers determine how much work it would really be. We could argue guesses on this subject all day and get nowhere I think.

Also it's not a total overhaul or a complete re-hauling of how gear works. You still have 6 stats and 4 rune stats, you still have ghost stats, you still have tier levels, you still have durability, you still have plussing. It's not like they have to change code that would be affected if they removed any of those things.

There's no complex ballancing issues to consider, there's no changes to one piece of gear that might affect another piece of gear to consider. Everything stays the same visually. It's just a whole lot simpler and you don't have to deal with mana stones at all anymore. You don't have to worry about what stat knocks off what stat, how many clean mana stones you need, etc..

If I had a single diamond for every piece of gear I seen people mess up I might be rich! What's kinda funny is how often it happens to the most experienced players making high tiered geared using 6x20mil+ stats!!!

But again, it's so much more than that. It's also about keeping a little more value in the things you spend real money on, for a little longer. It's about letting people try different things, changing their minds, fixing mistakes all without it costing a fortune. It's about changing perceptions and attitudes. It's about not having to wait weeks or months for things to appear in the cash shop. Those are just a few of the things I like to recap but there's even more that I've already stated several times.

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Friday, May 24th 2013, 12:55pm

Rather than rework the system (which be what yer really are callin fer), they could maker it so that puris drop off bosses. Faster fix, easier, an exactly what yer doth be advocatin. Doubt this twill ever happen.

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Friday, May 24th 2013, 7:54pm

Quoted from "Lemonater;602060"

Rather than rework the system (which be what yer really are callin fer), they could maker it so that puris drop off bosses. Faster fix, easier, an exactly what yer doth be advocatin. Doubt this twill ever happen.


I wish I had thought of that! Such an easy fix and so simple! You're a genius bros!

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Friday, May 24th 2013, 8:15pm

Although some of these ideas would be welcomed .....gameforge would need to step up and PAY some programmers.
sadly we all know the answer to that.
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Friday, May 24th 2013, 10:15pm

Quoted from "timthum;602081"

Although some of these ideas would be welcomed .....gameforge would need to step up and PAY some programmers.
sadly we all know the answer to that.


Gameforge? They don't even make the game. It's Runewaker that designs the game. Checkout their webpage. They even announce 5th chapter. Here's quote...

"Fires of Shadowforge to introduce new race &#8211;We will be releasing the fifth chapter to the online role-playing game Runes of Magic in June, entitled Fires of Shadowforge. "

Just guessing but Runewaker could probably make any changes they wanted and Gameforge probably couldn't do anything about it. Gameforge could probably raise prices of what's left in the cash shop or just stop hosting the game of course. But who knows what's in their contract agreement.

If I was a game designer, I would pretty much retain full control of my game. I would even set limits on how much the reseller could change prices. I'd probably also require the game be up and running for X amount of time. In the end, I'd be the one making the huge investment of time and money designing the game so any reseller who wanted to make money off it would have to agree to many conditions.

On the other hand, if I was contracted to design the game for Gameforge, that would be very different.

It doesn't seem to be that way but what the hell do I know.

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Friday, May 24th 2013, 11:42pm

Quoted from "kokall;602097"

Gameforge? They don't even make the game. It's Runewaker that designs the game. Checkout their webpage. They even announce 5th chapter. Here's quote...

"Fires of Shadowforge to introduce new race &#8211;We will be releasing the fifth chapter to the online role-playing game Runes of Magic in June, entitled Fires of Shadowforge. "

Just guessing but Runewaker could probably make any changes they wanted and Gameforge probably couldn't do anything about it. Gameforge could probably raise prices of what's left in the cash shop or just stop hosting the game of course. But who knows what's in their contract agreement.

If I was a game designer, I would pretty much retain full control of my game. I would even set limits on how much the reseller could change prices. I'd probably also require the game be up and running for X amount of time. In the end, I'd be the one making the huge investment of time and money designing the game so any reseller who wanted to make money off it would have to agree to many conditions.

On the other hand, if I was contracted to design the game for Gameforge, that would be very different.

It doesn't seem to be that way but what the hell do I know.


You need to educate yourself. Runewaker does code the game, but all the item shop stuff is done by Gameforge, Runewaker doesn't do anything with item shop pricing or even what is for sale.