Runes of Magic US / AU

This topic I've seen opened many times before.

Mentors also asked me to try and push this suggestion to Product team.
What I noticed (thank Yrcanos on help) is that some want a 2 hour shift, some want it to shift by 1 hour.

So, I dont' want to suggest somethnig that might backfire to me.
More suggestions?

A lot of people liked it when it was at 10pm est, a lot like it now at 8pm est. So my suggestion is split the difference and make it 9pm est. =]

Jynks

Quoted from "Mika"

This topic I've seen opened many times before.

Mentors also asked me to try and push this suggestion to Product team.
What I noticed (thank Yrcanos on help) is that some want a 2 hour shift, some want it to shift by 1 hour.

So, I dont' want to suggest somethnig that might backfire to me.
More suggestions?

Please don't say this isn't being done because you are afraid that people will get mad at you. From the polls, the bigger handful of players want it back to where it originally was.

That being said, I think restoring the original time slot would be the best idea.

Quoted from "Mika"

This topic I've seen opened many times before.

Mentors also asked me to try and push this suggestion to Product team.
What I noticed (thank Yrcanos on help) is that some want a 2 hour shift, some want it to shift by 1 hour.

So, I dont' want to suggest somethnig that might backfire to me.
More suggestions?

Listening to the general population (community) here will NOT backfire on you. Its what we want.

Siege is a big part of this game, believe it or not. We want the time to shift so that the original siege time (7PM Pacific = 9PM Central = 10PM Eastern) is available to us.

There is a general stigma here, and in-game, that as a new CM, you have done nothing worthwhile yet. Prove us wrong.

NOT listening to us will backfire on you.

Quoted from "Ravesden"

Listening to the general population (community) here will NOT backfire on you. Its what we want.

Siege is a big part of this game, believe it or not. We want the time to shift so that the original siege time (7PM Pacific = 9PM Central = 10PM Eastern) is available to us.

There is a general stigma here, and in-game, that as a new CM, you have done nothing worthwhile yet. Prove us wrong.

NOT listening to us will backfire on you.

This suggestion will be forwarded. Actually Im planning to have a talk with someone and see if it can be done.
What I know is that USA is a big country with few timezones. And if I ask for 2 hrs shift there will maybe be players that want 1hr. Etc, etc
So, before I present this suggestion to Product Team I need to be sure that I will present what community wants. And not somethnig that only Ravesden or MIka or Yrcanos or bleedingblak want. I hope you understand my point?


General stigma is not something that worries me to be honest. Respect I will earn or I will not. And please lets not make this into discussion about how lousy or good CM I am. About that you can open another thread or poke me over PM. I'll be glad to talk to you there
Thank you

Quoted from "Mika"

This topic I've seen opened many times before.

Mentors also asked me to try and push this suggestion to Product team.
What I noticed (thank Yrcanos on help) is that some want a 2 hour shift, some want it to shift by 1 hour.

So, I dont' want to suggest somethnig that might backfire to me.
More suggestions?

The very first thing I leaned as a game developer is there's no such thing as "if's" and "buts". It is clear from the the forums at least that a change to siege war timing is more than desirable and it is down to the "powers that be" to judge what change would benefit the majority of players. We are not sheep to be herded but instead players to be listened to...

on topic = a 1 hour shift would be optimal for those of us on the west coast I believe.
offtopic = Mika if you want to earn some brownie points with the communitee your welcome to start letting us know what information you have forwarded.
Also since you in Germany and privy to the information it would be nice if we would hear about things such as the meeting that Pit had with SOME of the guilds. even though we were not included in that meeting it sure would have been nice to have you guys provide a translated transcript instead of us having to hear about it and get the info from a third party "thank you again Rom-Welten"

personally as long as the time is changed my guild and i could care less if the change is a one hour shift forward or two hours, all that matters to us is that the time does get changed from the current setup, so the other half of our guild can siege with us again.

their has been complaints and suggestions ever since the new siege system has been implemented that most of all the players wanted a time slot to siege with the original siege time,

so yes its not just a few people here and there, in fact someone actually made a poll to see if players wanted the original time slot of 10 pm est back, and most do

what else is there to talk about to other staff of the german gameforge for when WE THE PEOPLE/PLAYERS have been asking for a time change ever since ya made the change

Quoted from "Mika"

Quoted from "Ravesden"

Listening to the general population (community) here will NOT backfire on you. Its what we want.

Siege is a big part of this game, believe it or not. We want the time to shift so that the original siege time (7PM Pacific = 9PM Central = 10PM Eastern) is available to us.

There is a general stigma here, and in-game, that as a new CM, you have done nothing worthwhile yet. Prove us wrong.

NOT listening to us will backfire on you.

This suggestion will be forwarded. Actually Im planning to have a talk with someone and see if it can be done.

This is what we want to hear. Even better, if it is actually implemented.

Quoted

What I know is that USA is a big country with few timezones. And if I
ask for 2 hrs shift there will maybe be players that want 1hr. Etc, etc
So,
before I present this suggestion to Product Team I need to be sure that
I will present what community wants. And not somethnig that only
Ravesden or MIka or Yrcanos or bleedingblak want. I hope you understand
my point?

82% of 49 participating voters want the original siege time slot available. (40 said yes, 9 said no).
Siege at 10pm edt!

Although if this is not conclusive enough for you, you should make an "official" poll asking the same question. I am willing to bet the general consensus would remain the same - that we want the original siege time available.

Quoted

General stigma is not something that worries me to
be honest. Respect I will earn or I will not. And please lets not make
this into discussion about how lousy or good CM I am. About that you can
open another thread or poke me over PM. I'll be glad to talk to you
there
Thank you

It should, because that is the general morale of your community. That being said, having the old siege time slot is something I really want implemented, so I will try and not derail from that.

i say one hour later is my vote. if at all XD

Quoted from "Mika"

This topic I've seen opened many times before.

Mentors also asked me to try and push this suggestion to Product team.
What I noticed (thank Yrcanos on help) is that some want a 2 hour shift, some want it to shift by 1 hour.

So, I dont' want to suggest somethnig that might backfire to me.
More suggestions?

If you're afraid of moving it too much, then just shift one siege time to the old siege time. The old siege time has worked for YEARS. You won't get angry QQ's if you change one time back to what it used to be.

Hello again.

Long story short >> forwarded.
If its gonna happen or not, are we gonna schedule shifts forward or back by two hours >> don't know yet.
Yes, I'm aware of previus post and I'm aware what community wanted.
Also, I don't know if its possible from technical side or not.

For now lets keep it status quo until I get some answers from product Team.
You are free to continue with discussion, but please try not to troll and spam too much coz I'd really like to see this topic clean...

1hour shift is best for east coast, 2hour shift is best for west coast so why not meet in the middle and do a 1 1/2 hour shift to siege OR make both available to siege in. Durng siege signups guilds could choose either 9pm eastern or 10pm eastern siege slot. Which ever works best for their guild. We don't need siege times every 4 hours like the current setup. Just a choice between 9pm and 10pm would be a lot better.

Quoted from "karmakarma"

1hour shift is best for east coast, 2hour shift is best for west coast so why not meet in the middle and do a 1 1/2 hour shift to siege OR make both available to siege in. Durng siege signups guilds could choose either 9pm eastern or 10pm eastern siege slot. Which ever works best for their guild. We don't need siege times every 4 hours like the current setup. Just a choice between 9pm and 10pm would be a lot better.

Somehow, I don't think they can do a 1.5 hour shift.

Let's go back to the old saying, "Be careful what you ask for." For a number of years people have been asking for two Siege times per day. Well, I think that GF and RW, in an attempt to make Siege available to anyone at just about any time, came up with the idea of 6 possible Siege times per day, every four hours. Nice idea, but the actual implementation hasn't quite worked out as well as they wanted it to. Not to mention that allowing guilds to war against each other *outside* of a "registered" Siege time has allowed guilds to "game" the system, drop points (which should *never* have been allowed in the first damned place), and be able to Siege against less-able and less-capable guilds. This allows the "better" guild to gain BoTs and Honor Points more easily. Poor design, that. And, of course, off-topic for the purposes of this discussion. My apologies.

As Mika has stated, he's not sure if it's technically possible to shift or move the current Siege/Guild War times. That idea may well depend on when the daily "reset" for determining when a guild can register for Siege (*not* an "Organized Guild War"--those are completely different). That has yet to be discovered and I agree with him that the current status quo should be maintained until he can get and report further information from the tech people.

Now, *if* the shift can be done so that guilds can only register once per day for Siege, then that's a Good Thing. I'd prefer that what is now the 12am (EDT) Siege slot be shifted back two hours to 10pm EDT. Why? That has been the "traditional" Siege time slot since Siege began back in Chapter 2. While there are some people who cannot and will not be easily able to take part in Siege at that time, it is, in my opinion, the best compromise time for the vast majority of the players located in the continental US, Canada, and Central America. I mean no offense towards people like GarySandstorm or Murlakiel, who are located in South Africa and Brazil, respectively. But...they are representative of the relatively small handful of players on the US servers who are either in very different world time zones or, in Murlakiel's case, located in a time zone that's one hour ahead of the US Eastern time zone.

My two-cents' worth.

Well said Mal i agree with this.100%

I do remember siege time being shifted once (Not including the day light savings time changes).

From what I remember, siege started at 8pm Pacific when I first started playing. But at some point, it was changed to 7 pm Pacific. So there should be no reason that they cannot shift it again.

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

I do remember siege time being shifted once (Not including the day light savings time changes).

From what I remember, siege started at 8pm Pacific when I first started playing. But at some point, it was changed to 7 pm Pacific. So there should be no reason that they cannot shift it again.

There's a difference between shifting Siege due to having to change the server clock(s) from Standard to Daylight time, or vice versa and doing a real-time shift of the current Siege/Organized Guild War setup. That's what Mika is trying to find out--if it's technically feasible to do the latter, and if it will mess up the "reset" routine(s) which might make it possible to game or exploit the number of times per day that a guild can take part in Siege. We'll just have to wait and see what the answer is.

Kalvan, I do not think that the change was due to server clocks. Siege was at 8pm Pacific for almost a year from the time that I started sieging, and has been 7pm Pacific since then for a year and a half (give or take the 2 or 3 days that siege is at a different time due to server clock change).

Unless I remembered wrong, and that the reason for the time change was in fact that it took Gameforge a year to figure out their server clocks was one hour wrong (which I would hope is not the case...).