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Monday, September 23rd 2013, 4:35am

Pom's

A few guildies and I were talking about poms, we had an idea of removing them completely from the world bosses (this would prevent guilds from hoarding the poms from their servers). We were thinking about adding them to the final bosses in ToSH, KBNH, Beth, and Belathis (each time a new 12 man comes out, make proofs drop from the highest 4 raid instances). One proof per boss per player per day and make them bound. This would allow the players who can run this stuff to be able to get their proofs, without needing to fight with others AND give players a reason to run the older instances. It would be better for the population in general and Gameforge with more cash shop purchases.


The world bosses could drop level appropriate gear (ie like the low level Wodjin does with the healer pants). It would give players a reason to still kill the 75 level world bosses, without giving any group the ability to monopolize the proofs. Of course the 75 would stay the way it is for the proofs for the 60 elite skills.

I'm sure a lot of people who can farm the world bosses are going to hate this idea, but I think it would be good for the community as a whole.

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Monday, September 23rd 2013, 4:46am

several of us have suggested the exact same thing already, i was the first to suggest this then each month someone else does the same, you are the 4th to post it, they arent listening but im glad to see people havent given up yet
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Monday, September 23rd 2013, 4:49am

several of us have suggested the exact same thing already, i was the first to suggest this then each month someone else does the same, you are the 4th to post it, they arent listening but im glad to see people havent given up yet

Just trying to find ways to get more people interested in the whole range of content.

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Monday, September 23rd 2013, 4:49am

Orrrr since we have so many types of currency all ready, replace proofs with mems. Done. Make each current proof pull 2k mems.

Why do we need diamonds, ptokens, shells, proofs, mems, eojs, w/e those diamond crystal things are, honor points, badges of honor, and badges of trial. I think we're a bit overboard here.

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Monday, September 23rd 2013, 4:56am

Orrrr since we have so many types of currency all ready, replace proofs with mems. Done. Make each current proof pull 2k mems.

Why do we need diamonds, ptokens, shells, proofs, mems, eojs, w/e those diamond crystal things are, honor points, badges of honor, and badges of trial. I think we're a bit overboard here.

Making them mems would be a bad idea imo, simply because people can farm up over 1k mems a day pretty easy. Dedicated people can farm up 3k, this would give people the ability to pull proof gear daily, which is too often. Every other day and making them drop in instances fit the theme of proof gear being better than the rest.

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Monday, September 23rd 2013, 5:01am

Orrrr since we have so many types of currency all ready, replace proofs with mems. Done. Make each current proof pull 2k mems.

Why do we need diamonds, ptokens, shells, proofs, mems, eojs, w/e those diamond crystal things are, honor points, badges of honor, and badges of trial. I think we're a bit overboard here.

Making them mems would be a bad idea imo, simply because people can farm up over 1k mems a day pretty easy. Dedicated people can farm up 3k, this would give people the ability to pull proof gear daily, which is too often. Every other day and making them drop in instances fit the theme of proof gear being better than the rest.
Thats the whole POINT. Proof are game breaking and only expand the massive rift in gear between endgamers and midgamers.
How many guilds can even succesffuly clear tosh? KBNH and BETH and BELA are out of so many peoples reach, so for the most part you have a shot at AT MOST one proof per day with your suggestion. NONE AT ALL with how the game currently is. That means those who have proof gear get to keep it, its still the best set in the game, its still 2 zones a head of yellow stats. Those who dont have proof gear never will. End of story. Proofs are GAME BREAKING.

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Monday, September 23rd 2013, 5:05am

Orrrr since we have so many types of currency all ready, replace proofs with mems. Done. Make each current proof pull 2k mems.

Why do we need diamonds, ptokens, shells, proofs, mems, eojs, w/e those diamond crystal things are, honor points, badges of honor, and badges of trial. I think we're a bit overboard here.

Making them mems would be a bad idea imo, simply because people can farm up over 1k mems a day pretty easy. Dedicated people can farm up 3k, this would give people the ability to pull proof gear daily, which is too often. Every other day and making them drop in instances fit the theme of proof gear being better than the rest.
Thats the whole POINT. Proof are game breaking and only expand the massive rift in gear between endgamers and midgamers.
How many guilds can even succesffuly clear tosh? KBNH and BETH and BELA are out of so many peoples reach, so for the most part you have a shot at AT MOST one proof per day with your suggestion. NONE AT ALL with how the game currently is. That means those who have proof gear get to keep it, its still the best set in the game, its still 2 zones a head of yellow stats. Those who dont have proof gear never will. End of story. Proofs are GAME BREAKING.
How many guilds are even TRYING to clear them? This gives guilds a reason to try to clear content they gave up on. Too many people are looking for other guilds to clear content. This gives everyone a reason to want to run this stuff besides the outdated gear. THIS gives people a chance at getting proof gear without making it so easy that it begins to flood the market.

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Monday, September 23rd 2013, 5:08am

At the very least, mine is trying to progress. We do gch and tosh a few timse a week. But if endgame guilds get proofs every day from 4 instanecs, vs mid game guilds getting maybe 2 a week....see the balance issue there?

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Monday, September 23rd 2013, 5:11am

At the very least, mine is trying to progress. We do gch and tosh a few timse a week. But if endgame guilds get proofs every day from 4 instanecs, vs mid game guilds getting maybe 2 a week....see the balance issue there?

Versus guilds that currently farm these bosses now and keep all 10? 15? that drop? No I don't see balance issues with limiting every player to 4 proofs per day.

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Monday, September 23rd 2013, 5:18am

Its technically 5 now because of the level difference, and thats 5 per raid.

Im saying it should be EVEN MORE balanced than your suggestion. At the very least all instances at the their maximum possible level from level 70+ should drop one proof per day for each person on the run.

Meaning Tosh. AC norm. KBNH. Bedim Nomr. Beth Hard. Bela.

Easily 3 per person per day. Tosh AC and Bedim (if its ever fixed). 6 for endgamers.

Vs 4 for endgamers, 0 for mid gamers per day.

Vs 0 for everyone (realistically speaking atleast) as it currently is.

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Monday, September 23rd 2013, 7:26am

Realistically, I highly doubt they'd ever remove proofs.

I agree with the OP's idea, and I myself would love to see proofs drop from Normal mode especially. As of right now, there are really very few reasons to run normal mode instances. Gear is meh, stats drops are rare (the problem compounded by the amount of time for 1 full run for an average guild), and while I enjoy it just for the sake of fun, not everyone does.

For those that don't, they go in there, die for a few hours, and get... what out of it?
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Monday, September 23rd 2013, 8:02am

Its technically 5 now because of the level difference, and thats 5 per raid.

Im saying it should be EVEN MORE balanced than your suggestion. At the very least all instances at the their maximum possible level from level 70+ should drop one proof per day for each person on the run.

Meaning Tosh. AC norm. KBNH. Bedim Nomr. Beth Hard. Bela.

Easily 3 per person per day. Tosh AC and Bedim (if its ever fixed). 6 for endgamers.

Vs 4 for endgamers, 0 for mid gamers per day.

Vs 0 for everyone (realistically speaking atleast) as it currently is.

I purposely did not include 6 man instances. My idea has it so that if you do ALL the 12 man instances beginning with ToSH, you would get a MAX of 4 proofs per day. Considering the current proof gear is 7 per pull, 4 per day isn't that unreasonable. Today on Govinda, one guild killed Wodjin in all 3 channels, so even getting 5 per boss, that's still 15 they got. Taking them off the world bosses and moving them to instances would prevent any guild from doing just that. It would give EVERY guild and EVERY player a chance to get them. Players would want to run the instances that dropped the proofs, so they wouldn't need to rely on pure luck to get a proof. It would be something they could have some control over.

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Monday, September 23rd 2013, 8:39am

I agree... Get rid of PoMs completely or have them drop from the last boss in hard mode instances... perhaps Tosh+ ?
Even making PoM pulls Mento cap... that would work too because PoMs are ruining the economy.
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Monday, September 23rd 2013, 12:34pm

I agree with the OP's suggestion. World boss's and PoM as they are now cause a lot of conflict between guilds on every server and it becomes a 'who can down it first after maint' and time it for the next spawn....

There are so few guilds that even try to clear instances, on AU for example my guild was the Last guild that could run anything...we were trying to clear Beth before everyone quit while the rest on the server can't/couldn't be bothered doing even gch 1-6...let alone annelia or higher instances.

With this new plan of RW's where they couldn't be bothered making set skills anymore, it also gives people reason to do instances like kbnh....where the gear is useless, the stats are useless and there is no longer any reason to run it now newer content is out.
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Wednesday, September 25th 2013, 5:13am

So evidently my original suggestion really hit home with a certain guild on Govinda tonight, since they called me out in world for making this thread. They evidently don't want anyone challenging their monopoly on pom's. This is the perfect reason to get rid of them from world bosses. It creates nothing but drama and greedy players. It's been a long time in the making, but that guild has pretty much ruined the economy on Govinda, nothing like selling chest drops for 75m just for set skills.
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Wednesday, September 25th 2013, 5:27am

So evidently my original suggestion really hit home with a certain guild on Govinda tonight, since they called me out in world for making this thread. They evidently don't want anyone challenging their monopoly on pom's. This is the perfect reason to get rid of them from world bosses. It creates nothing but drama and greedy players. It's been a long time in the making, but that guild has pretty much ruined the economy on Govinda, nothing like selling chest drops for 75m just for set skills.
Basically. Keeps the rich rich...

Pom's hands down RW's worst decision.

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Wednesday, September 25th 2013, 5:32am

So evidently my original suggestion really hit home with a certain guild on Govinda tonight, since they called me out in world for making this thread. They evidently don't want anyone challenging their monopoly on pom's. This is the perfect reason to get rid of them from world bosses. It creates nothing but drama and greedy players. It's been a long time in the making, but that guild has pretty much ruined the economy on Govinda, nothing like selling chest drops for 75m just for set skills.
uhh Go farm the stuff for your ISS yourself ?

That would save you money

- oh and also your post is Hypocritical of your quote ^_^
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Wednesday, September 25th 2013, 6:41am

Ziav .... at least this guild has the decency to shout WORLD BOSS DOWN COME GET YOUR 60 ELIETES, unlike some that I have seen that don't. Just think if this certain guild didn't do that, no one would have their 60 elietes... ever think about that? And as for the chest piece with ISS for 75 mil.... ... you must not have a sense of humor because he was obviously joking.
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Wednesday, September 25th 2013, 7:22am

Kind of a shame that a thread that started out as a sound suggestion ended up like this, lol. It just goes to show PoM's in the current state they are do nothing but stir up stupid drama.
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Wednesday, September 25th 2013, 7:56am

I'm going to close this thread - 2 posts have been reported for no real reason other than petty squabbling.

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