Runes of Magic US / AU

Of course hide is useful in PVE. Besides maybe warden, rogue is easiest class to quest with, because of hide.

hide with a cast time wouldn't even be a hide worth using....the whole point of hide is to be able gank people one at a time, popping in and out of hide....
if any other rogues play combos that have a skill with a cast time(not combo throw) u know how much it sucks to just stand there, not being able to do anything...also, does any class use a cast time skill in PvP except healers? no, because its just not feasible due to the fast paced gameplay....

Well when we faced that Palenque guild, 2 of their rogues never came out of hide and 1 shotted me at 600K PDEF and 458K HP. so ya that is crap. oh but wait he got me with 6 attacks and never came out of hide and blamed it on lag LOL LMAO!!!

Zid hide is very useful outside of PVP. Not just for questing but for farming easy mode you can walk up to certain casting mobs and just one shot them instead of range pulling them and getting hit. I have no problem with the way rogues are built now and I would be fine with a scout fix as that is needed anyway. Casters like myself are the biggest whiners about rogues in hide because we want to blast everyone from a mile away in siege. I believe adding a cooldown or casting limit on a rogue would massively change the face of Siege and that is not a good thing. Every R/M would swap to M/? for siege and someone would start a thread complaining about it. Rogues are sneaky but weak as hell. Almost any class combo can one shot a rogue in siege if you hit them. As I said earlier rogues suck against Wardens and tanks that stack pdef. Let them just be the rogue natural enemy and throw scouts in the mix by fixing them. But Casters you are not suppose to beat an = skilled rogue 50% or more of the time. They are your weakness and you need to plan for it.

gcd issues has nothing to do with hide...nor does lag...

also, as a rogue, a tank or even a mage with proper defense will eat me alive...ask the rogue in your guild what they absolutely hate in siege...then use that on other rogues...

Quoted from "vfwiffo"

I have yet to be in a siege where a single OP rogue decides the match. I've been in plenty where a single OP warden does. Yet strangely enough I am not starting stupid "nerf wardens" threads.

Opposite here for me. I've never been in a siege where an OP warden has decided the match. I've been in several siege where an OP rogue has decided a match though.

@ Cike:
I use my Flame in siege against people that outgear me which I cannot kill with just instants. Battle Time + Soldier's Atk + Arcane pot + Cata + Holy Aura + Flame spam = sometimes is the only option for me that even gives me a chance of killing them.

I mean as a staple, like every confrontation....I use a cast every now and then too, to top up health and summon mounts and such, but I don't do it in the middle of combat....I can't think of any class that has to say "oh, there's and enemy let me cast this spell and hope they don't kill me before its done", which is essentially what you are asking rogues to do....

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

Opposite here for me. I've never been in a siege where an OP warden has decided the match. I've been in several siege where an OP rogue has decided a match though.

What is your siege score? This should only be true around the 1k or lower lvl / if your guild has no defensive players.

but it wouldn't change pvp a "good way"...rogues would be pretty much obsolete, and all those r/wdn and r/m will just run wdn/r and m/r, and still hand ur butt to you on a plate...

honestly, mages are the most OP pvp class, so if ur gonna nerf something, nerf those...but no, everybody likes their poor, neglected, OP mages...

the best option is to just buff scouts...it really is, then all ur rogue issues go away, and then we can start the QQ about mages...or wardens, lets go make a warden QQ thread, because i can't seem to kill them on my rogue...

Eye of treachery is your friend!

Now if only the sea washed stones were as effective.

Unless you count the R/K disarm nerf, nope. Never. All they get is buff after buff after buff while others get nerfed. Even recently it's just been more buffs while they completely ignore every other class.

Buff scout detection to 200 range.
Buff scouts damage skills to 225 range.
Buff scout damage on most damage skills.
Nerf rogue throw/combo throw to 75 range.

Problem fixed. Actually, two problems fixed.

If you want to argue why rogue throw skills should not be nerfed in range, explain to me with a logical reason as to why not. Rogues are a melee class. Warriors can only use Surprise Attack at certain ranges. Knights have Charge that can only be used at certain distances. Why are rogues so special to have a long range attack?

you could say our pathetic weapon dmg progression is a nerf.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

you could say our pathetic weapon dmg progression is a nerf.

ROGUE pathetic damage progression? I really hope that was sarcasm.. lol. Rogue weapons do so much dps. Look at mages if you want a true example of pathetic weapon damage progression...

I have no issue with putting a CD on hide if they actually programmed it to be in PVP only.... say all in pvp got a buff put on em besides the PK buff you can enable.... and it took 5 seconds of non combat for that to disappear. They could then instead of a total reworking of skills put code in to a skill's cooldown in relation to that buff. Overall a cheaper and easier fix.

and yes Ice Blade didn't deserve to be nerfed.

Quoted from "Borella"

Quoted from "Dkjester"

you could say our pathetic weapon dmg progression is a nerf.

ROGUE pathetic damage progression? I really hope that was sarcasm.. lol. Rogue weapons do so much dps. Look at mages if you want a true example of pathetic weapon damage progression...

I think he was referring to Mage, because Cike said Mages are OP and should be nerfed instead of Rogues.

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

Quoted from "Borella"

Quoted from "Dkjester"

you could say our pathetic weapon dmg progression is a nerf.

ROGUE pathetic damage progression? I really hope that was sarcasm.. lol. Rogue weapons do so much dps. Look at mages if you want a true example of pathetic weapon damage progression...

I think he was referring to Mage, because Cike said Mages are OP and should be nerfed instead of Rogues.

I hope so. Lol. Otherwise...

It's confusing without quotes though. WTB quoting system that actually works more than 5% of the time.

Quoted from "atriedies"

I have no issue with putting a CD on hide if they actually programmed it to be in PVP only.... say all in pvp got a buff put on em besides the PK buff you can enable.... and it took 5 seconds of non combat for that to disappear. They could then instead of a total reworking of skills put code in to a skill's cooldown in relation to that buff. Overall a cheaper and easier fix.

and yes Ice Blade didn't deserve to be nerfed.

A lot of things should be programmed for PVP only. It likely isn't going to happen though.

Also,I don't see how having a cast time for hide would actually hurt anything...if a lot of people are around u when popping out of hide to kill someone, you shouldn't leave combat immediately anyway, that never made any sense. Maybe just make it so that theres more of a time delay for leaving combat, that could fix certain annoying things that happen.

If a guild is front running at any point in siege, rogues are even more of an annoyance. Good luck placing eyes when the rogue pops out of hide and kills you before it goes down. Also good luck setting up that invis when the hidden rogue sees u casting it and places an eye to stun u then stick a dagger in your face..or skips that and just kills you before it can be placed to begin with. And also good luck leaving your castle to go somewhere without the rogue popping out to kill you.

It's probably the best front running class there is, makes turning the tables very hard if the advantage shifts to one direction.

I don't think people should just look the other direction and brush it off with "well if scouts were better..." How many other classes have only one single class that has a possibility to pose any threat and can just run free on everything else?

mages....