Runes of Magic US / AU

Yes, you may not need to regear every level. But when instance design is just "lets add more pdef/mdef and millions of hp" it's going to take 10-20 levels just to see a slight improvement over existing gear. What is the incentive then? No carrot on a stick.

Quoted from "sertet"

Yes, you may not need to regear every level. But when instance design is just "lets add more pdef/mdef and millions of hp" it's going to take 10-20 levels just to see a slight improvement over existing gear. What is the incentive then? No carrot on a stick.

Because we have never seen that before... lvl 55 gear wasn't the best gear in the game for 20 levels or anythnig...

It was only best in the game for ten.. GCH gear was an upgrade. Since GCH though RW has apparently become obsessed with releasing a new 4 piece every 5 levels, which is terrible. RT was the best.. several levels where you could get every piece besides accessories by running the instance. Unlike now where most of the best in slot gear comes from dang PoM's..

Makes me glad I don't play anymore.

Quoted from "ghostwolf82"

Quoted from "sertet"

Yes, you may not need to regear every level. But when instance design is just "lets add more pdef/mdef and millions of hp" it's going to take 10-20 levels just to see a slight improvement over existing gear. What is the incentive then? No carrot on a stick.

Because we have never seen that before... lvl 55 gear wasn't the best gear in the game for 20 levels or anythnig...

That warrants a discussion elsewhere, but 55 gear would never cut it for a tank in a 75 instance, the trash mobs in KBNH alone annihilate more people than any other instance i've seen whether they were in 55 or 70+ gear. 200k pdef won't save you from trash in these instances and stats alone won't be able to push people into the higher requirements of new instances. Especially with how things are scaling where players would need something like 800k physical attack to reach maximum damage on a boss. As it stands now, DPS still reaches into the 1-2million+ even against such high defenses and the design solutions have been "add more health to the bosses"

The big thing is probably how plussing affects the pants from belathis hardmode. Where plussing adds to the weapon damage ghost stat. That will be something to contend with and is probably a big deciding factor on how much someone would be willing to purchase power. (and how much gameforge can try to milk that)

This reminds me why I will never return to Reni...

Quoted from "bleedingblak"

...plus sixteen jewels are something that are needed to use the new content's gear.

Needed? Really? Am I doing something wrong then? I have one item at +5 only and haven't even started plussing another piece and I'm using the gear without any problem.

Also, you missed a "T" in your signature.

I'm rather tired of the statement "If you don't like this sale, don't buy the items" we get EVERY sale. This statement is EXACTLY the reason why this game is failing from the management side (the other being bugs and game performance, from RW's side). When non-sale items are overpriced and sales are utter crap, there's a problem.

When a store sells everything at double the price, and have sales of all the items nobody ever needs, AND tell you "If you don't like it, don't buy it", how likely are you to return to the store? I've seen a few large chains like that. One already closed down, and the other 2 are closing down dozens of stores across Canada.

Successful businesses bow down to reality and appeal to their customers. Stupid ones do whatever they want arrogantly and ignore their customer's wants, and they fail.

You can keep on sticking your thumb at reality while people leave. But as always, choose your battles wisely. Don't choose one where you have nothing to gain, and everything to lose.

Quoted from "Inferiority"

Quoted from "bleedingblak"

...plus sixteen jewels are something that are needed to use the new content's gear.

Needed? Really? Am I doing something wrong then? I have one item at +5 only and haven't even started plussing another piece and I'm using the gear without any problem.

Also, you missed a "T" in your signature.

Certainly needed for endgame. Unless you're playing a fotm class. Or if you can get an endgame guild to drag you through the instance.

I'd really like to see a party with only +6 gear clear Bela-H. Heck, if a party with no more than +12 on their gear (that includes all gear - weapons and accessories too) clears it I'd like to see it too. Ok, even if its just Beth-H I still want to see it.

/begin off-topic

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

I'm rather tired of the statement "If you don't like this sale, don't buy the items" we get EVERY sale. This statement is EXACTLY the reason why this game is failing from the management side (the other being bugs and game performance, from RW's side). When non-sale items are overpriced and sales are utter crap, there's a problem.

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Actually, the comment or statement is quite accurate. If you don't like what's being offered on sale, are you going to buy it anyway?

Your comment above is simply more whinging about not getting what you want or think you need, no more, no less.

Quoted from "Inferiority"

Quoted from "bleedingblak"

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...plus sixteen jewels are something that are needed to use the new content's gear.

Needed? Really? Am I doing something wrong then? I have one item at +5 only and haven't even started plussing another piece and I'm using the gear without any problem.

Also, you missed a "T" in your signature.

Certainly needed for endgame. Unless you're playing a fotm class. Or if you can get an endgame guild to drag you through the instance.

I'd really like to see a party with only +6 gear clear Bela-H. Heck, if a party with no more than +12 on their gear (that includes all gear - weapons and accessories too) clears it I'd like to see it too. Ok, even if its just Beth-H I still want to see it.

At lvl 82, a tad bit more than half my gear is +12, the rest +16. I have exactly one piece of lvl 82 gear, and yes, it's +16. And, at least three pieces of my armor are lvl 60 (Lekani set from RT), because I haven't been able to acquire replacements that have a better Pcrit rate or have better stats on them. My argument here is that you don't need +16 lvl 82 gear to run lvl 80-82 content. Proof? I have none, other than from direct experience. My second argument is that people want lvl 82 +16 gear. Proof? Every thread and post whinging about not having it.

Quoted from "bleedingblak"

Quoted from "Inferiority"

Quoted from "bleedingblak"

...plus sixteen jewels are something that are needed to use the new content's gear.

Needed? Really? Am I doing something wrong then? I have one item at +5 only and haven't even started plussing another piece and I'm using the gear without any problem.

Also, you missed a "T" in your signature.

"Needed"? Of course. In this case, we don't "need" new content. Let us just be level 85 while keeping it at chapter 4.

We also "need":

30% mount speed
all the aggs
runes
etc.

We don't, but we do.

(BTW, I happen to be familiar with Inferiority's toon on Osha, as he's a member of my guild.)

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No, you don't need those items. You want them. Want /= need.

Have you ever considered why newer content is more difficult than older content, as it's developed and added to the game? You, Bleedingblak, among many others, are part and parcel of the problem. You strive to make your toon(s) as powerful as possible, with the latest and best armor, weapons, and accessories, statted with the best and most powerful stats, plugged with the best and highest tiered runes, your gear tiered (both dirty and clean) as highly as you can afford, and enhanced to a fare-thee-well. You do this so you can "burn" bosses in instances. Not do the instances using the strategies (for the most part), but to out and out burn them down before you take much damage. In addition to all of the gear upgrades, you use every possible potion, food, buffs, debuffs, and so on to ensure you can burn through instance bosses as quickly as possible so you can...wait for it...exit, reform your group(s), and do it again. And again. And again. And again. Ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

Perhaps doing this makes your putter flutter. But I, for one, have yet to understand the pleasure in repeatedly farming an upper-level instance, just to continue collecting gear and stats that...wait for it again...you already have. Maybe you want to do this so your fellow guild/group members can improve their toons' gear and weapons. Presuming, of course, they're willing to spend money on diamonds, or to buy diamonds from the AH with all the gold they've collected over the years. I don't know, and I don't really give a flying fark about it.

But you, and your fellow players' uber-toons, have contributed heavily to the ever-increasing difficulty of each and every new zone and instance. Every new zone and associated instance(s) are almost geometrically more difficult than the previous ones, due to the literal power of the players that have uber gear and weapons. I see it, and a few others have seen it, but you'll never admit to it.

Instead, you'll come around here and whinge that you need all this other stuff, but won't admit that you're already capable enough to stomp through any instance, including any projected instance that will be installed with the next content patch.

Oh, and you whinge when the strats for a given instance are "too difficult", or that it's "impossible for an F2P player" to run those
instances.

Hypocrite.

And now, I'll wait for someone who's butt-hurt from reading this to report it.

/end off-topic

Quoted from "Malignatus"

/begin off-topic

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

I'm rather tired of the statement "If you don't like this sale, don't buy the items" we get EVERY sale. This statement is EXACTLY the reason why this game is failing from the management side (the other being bugs and game performance, from RW's side). When non-sale items are overpriced and sales are utter crap, there's a problem.

Actually, the comment or statement is quite accurate. If you don't like what's being offered on sale, are you going to buy it anyway?

Your comment above is simply more whinging about not getting what you want or think you need, no more, no less.

You purposely cut off my next few paragraphs illustrating my point. Calling it more whining is plain proof that you never even considered the paragraphs below. In that case, you do not have the right to call it more whining, since it seems like you have no clue what I've said. His statement is "accurate", but is a horrible business model as I've already explained, which you should know if you had bothered to read on before attacking my post.

I've already asked. Give me the proof that anything past +16 is "want", not "need" for endgame dungeons. Simply saying that it just is proves absolutely nothing. Show me that it is. Screenshots of clears with only +12, or videos. You've made statements and given no proof.

Idk about you guys and the rest of the thread, but I just read that content-pushers don't learn/do strats to the latest content's bosses. Like the biggest face-palm and self incrimination of idiocy I've read lately.

"You clear content and make the game too hard qq"

Pretty much the guy's argument.

What if...

I told you RoM isn't hard?

What if...

I told you, you're just really bad?

What if...

I also told you to stop blaming your faults on others?

Games easy. Not hard. Get that out of your head. Stop being bad.

Quoted from "Malignatus"

/begin off-topic

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

I'm rather tired of the statement "If you don't like this sale, don't buy the items" we get EVERY sale. This statement is EXACTLY the reason why this game is failing from the management side (the other being bugs and game performance, from RW's side). When non-sale items are overpriced and sales are utter crap, there's a problem.

<snip>


Actually, the comment or statement is quite accurate. If you don't like what's being offered on sale, are you going to buy it anyway?

Your comment above is simply more whinging about not getting what you want or think you need, no more, no less.

Quoted from "Inferiority"

Quoted from "bleedingblak"

Quoted

...plus sixteen jewels are something that are needed to use the new content's gear.

Needed? Really? Am I doing something wrong then? I have one item at +5 only and haven't even started plussing another piece and I'm using the gear without any problem.

Also, you missed a "T" in your signature.

Certainly needed for endgame. Unless you're playing a fotm class. Or if you can get an endgame guild to drag you through the instance.

I'd really like to see a party with only +6 gear clear Bela-H. Heck, if a party with no more than +12 on their gear (that includes all gear - weapons and accessories too) clears it I'd like to see it too. Ok, even if its just Beth-H I still want to see it.

At lvl 82, a tad bit more than half my gear is +12, the rest +16. I have exactly one piece of lvl 82 gear, and yes, it's +16. And, at least three pieces of my armor are lvl 60 (Lekani set from RT), because I haven't been able to acquire replacements that have a better Pcrit rate or have better stats on them. My argument here is that you don't need +16 lvl 82 gear to run lvl 80-82 content. Proof? I have none, other than from direct experience. My second argument is that people want lvl 82 +16 gear. Proof? Every thread and post whinging about not having it.

Quoted from "bleedingblak"

Quoted from "Inferiority"

Quoted from "bleedingblak"

...plus sixteen jewels are something that are needed to use the new content's gear.

Needed? Really? Am I doing something wrong then? I have one item at +5 only and haven't even started plussing another piece and I'm using the gear without any problem.

Also, you missed a "T" in your signature.

"Needed"? Of course. In this case, we don't "need" new content. Let us just be level 85 while keeping it at chapter 4.

We also "need":

30% mount speed
all the aggs
runes
etc.

We don't, but we do.

(BTW, I happen to be familiar with Inferiority's toon on Osha, as he's a member of my guild.)

<snip>

No, you don't need those items. You want them. Want /= need.

Have you ever considered why newer content is more difficult than older content, as it's developed and added to the game? You, Bleedingblak, among many others, are part and parcel of the problem. You strive to make your toon(s) as powerful as possible, with the latest and best armor, weapons, and accessories, statted with the best and most powerful stats, plugged with the best and highest tiered runes, your gear tiered (both dirty and clean) as highly as you can afford, and enhanced to a fare-thee-well. You do this so you can "burn" bosses in instances. Not do the instances using the strategies (for the most part), but to out and out burn them down before you take much damage. In addition to all of the gear upgrades, you use every possible potion, food, buffs, debuffs, and so on to ensure you can burn through instance bosses as quickly as possible so you can...wait for it...exit, reform your group(s), and do it again. And again. And again. And again. Ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

Perhaps doing this makes your putter flutter. But I, for one, have yet to understand the pleasure in repeatedly farming an upper-level instance, just to continue collecting gear and stats that...wait for it again...you already have. Maybe you want to do this so your fellow guild/group members can improve their toons' gear and weapons. Presuming, of course, they're willing to spend money on diamonds, or to buy diamonds from the AH with all the gold they've collected over the years. I don't know, and I don't really give a flying fark about it.

But you, and your fellow players' uber-toons, have contributed heavily to the ever-increasing difficulty of each and every new zone and instance. Every new zone and associated instance(s) are almost geometrically more difficult than the previous ones, due to the literal power of the players that have uber gear and weapons. I see it, and a few others have seen it, but you'll never admit to it.

Instead, you'll come around here and whinge that you need all this other stuff, but won't admit that you're already capable enough to stomp through any instance, including any projected instance that will be installed with the next content patch.

Oh, and you whinge when the strats for a given instance are "too difficult", or that it's "impossible for an F2P player" to run those
instances.

Hypocrite.

And now, I'll wait for someone who's butt-hurt from reading this to report it.

/end off-topic

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I was successfully able to tank Beth Norm up to around the second boss before running into major difficulty. That was right after I returned from a 13 year hiatus. 13 levels would mean...you guessed it: I was still in GCH gear, mostly +16 but I still had a few +12's laying around on my toon. Impossible? Not really. Really tired of reading the whining about "Awww, we need the +16 stones because we need the latest stuff, wah wah wah". It's interesting, because you seem to be going just fine running Bela HM and several guilds have cleared it without level 82 gear and it being +16. As far as I can tell, they may have a couple of pieces level 82 +16, but most are still either in level 80 +16 or level 82 +12. The very few rich people (who are ever contributing to the expensive nature of this game and keep whining about it) who were able to buy tons and tons of the arcane gashas may have most +16 level 82 stuff.

i seem to be doing fine in SW with a bunch of level ~75-80 gear (my rings are still level 55) consistently getting several kills in SW against Rogues, Mages and such, sometimes better geared with PoM gear, and I'm a damn Knight. Stop your whining, learn how to play your toon and form an effective party.

And to Kalvan's comment: That's ridiculous. I'm tired of that "If you don't like it, don't buy it" as several other people are. That's what leading to the failure of this game, the management's ability to talk down to the players and get away with it. I'm appalled that Gameforge is seriously still in business.

Beth norm (and hard) was a joke and broken. The pdef/def values were all too low for the first few months. ToSH status, maybe lower. Not even reliable anecdotal comparison.

Kalvan, also, is right. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Sorry, theres no "I dun liek that u tell me to make mature decisions and my decisionz are my own." Grow up.

Quoted from "bleedingblak"

These replies are from people who can't do the hardest instances.

No, Bethomia is not hard. Bethomia is the easiest instance ever put into rom. Sorry that you cannot do it.

the funny part about the endgamer's arguments is the fact that they aren't the ones funding their own play style...

the game can survive without f2p end gamers, but won't be around for very long without the dia selling mid gamers...

Sensing a lot on anger in this please try to keep it civil and on topic

except not really...the majority of end gamers I know are f2p...they got geared during ch1-2, and have ridden the endgame wave ever since...

yes, there are also end gamers that fund themselves, but tbh, most have either gone f2p also or quit...

p2w end gamers are the exception, not the rule...