Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "Cike"

the funny part about the endgamer's arguments is the fact that they aren't the ones funding their own play style...

the game can survive without f2p end gamers, but won't be around for very long without the dia selling mid gamers...

This has nothing to do with the actual argument. People are saying the game is too hard. Simply not true. In fact, I would say the game would be *easier* if you paid for your own diamond supply. There is absolutely *nothing* stopping you from getting the latest and greatest gear at this point. Its a diamond seller's market.

The fact that people pay, and still can't do the latest instances, in my opinion, is undeniable proof that they're just not good players. The game is not hard. f2p, p2win, or anything. Its not hard. In fact, it should be harder.

If any of the following apply to you, chances are you're probably a bad player:

1) You click each and every one (or most) of your skills.
2) You backpedal
3) You use WASD to move. Pressing either A or D makes your character turn. Not run to the left/right.
4) You blame the game for being too hard.

Paying or not paying isn't even part of the argument of the game difficulty. Its an attempt to undermine a facilitated argument by unrelated means.

edit: If you're only referring to the sale of +16 jewels, the cost of them or the cost of gearing itself has nothing to do with the players. Cost of diamonds and diamond to item ratio in the IS lies solely on Gameforge. The game is *WAY* too expensive for the quality in content it provides.

Quoted from "Jguy"

I was successfully able to tank Beth Norm up to around the second boss before running into major difficulty. That was right after I returned from a 13 year hiatus. 13 levels would mean...you guessed it: I was still in GCH gear, mostly +16 but I still had a few +12's laying around on my toon. Impossible? Not really. Really tired of reading the whining about "Awww, we need the +16 stones because we need the latest stuff, wah wah wah". It's interesting, because you seem to be going just fine running Bela HM and several guilds have cleared it without level 82 gear and it being +16.

Exactly. You admit that the limitations of old gear is apparent after the first 1-2 bosses, even in a relatively easy instance where quite a few mid range guilds can do. And hardmode bosses hit 3 times harder than normal mode, despite being broken and easier than HM instances released a year ago.

I don't think the highest level gear is absolutely needed, but +16 jewel certainly is, and so is gear that is level relevant, within maybe 10 levels.

Quoted

If any of the following apply to you, chances are you're probably a bad player:

1) You click each and every one (or most) of your skills.

Um Raves... you were arguing back then that people who only use a few skills need to learn to play... Recall the "99% of you are in love with Lowblow, 99% of you suck" quote you used back then.

In that case, a "good player" now has to use absolutely no skills at all...

Not my quote, thats Racer's.

Also not sure if you're confused, but I mean clicking as in..you use your mouse to manually click every individual skill.

raves's argument is that you should be using hotkeys...

Quoted

Why Keybind?

There are many names given to people who manually click their actions with their mouse buttons, 'keyboard-turner' and 'clicker'
being the two most common (and least offensive) of these. Most games
nowadays on the PC, focus on the 'WASD movement system' by which your W A
S and D keys are for your character's movement controls - W is
forwards, S is back, and A and D are turn left and right respectively,
and WoW is no different! Now in general, a new gamer will often use
these keys and then use their mouse to manually click all of their
abilities and interactions, and everything else ingame. This may work,
but it is a bad habit for the more experienced gamer.

If you use the click approach, your reaction time will for the most
part be alot slower. That's because you continiuously have to look to
see where you're clicking onscreen, click, and sometimes reclick the
second step. This takes up valuable time and will lower your performance
over a keybinder. If you use your keys to activate your abilities, they
are right at your fingertips and are set out in a way where you only
have to make the most minimal movements of your fingers to reach another
key. Alot of people do actually know how to keybind, but very few can
do it well. If you're serious about gaming, then it is an essential
skill to develop!

Keybinding will help you to get the best from your gameplay
performance. Faster reaction times, effortless use of abilities, and
being able to integrate yourself with what's going on so your reactions
to anything are all second nature! This in turn will help you to become a
better player, both in PvE and PvP! Anyway, on with the show...

Taken from http://www.wow-pro.com/book/export/html/2998

Full disclosure: I actually look back at my vids and cringe now at how many the skills I clicked, even though they were much less than the average RoM player. In the game I moved on to *everything* is now keybound. Its much more efficient. Better performance, better reaction. I'm an overall better player by doing so.

Ah, I see. I thought he was saying if you click as in use those skills.

Well for people to know and continuously arguing in a post that has to do with plus 16 jewels. If you have notice AH on Reni, less and less diamonds are forsale, less and less people are buying diamonds and selling to others. Wanna see QQ, wait a bit when people with billions of gold try to buy diamonds from other players, lol. There won't be any available to them, no matter the amount they wanna spend for them, too many endgamers have manipulated the AH for years and now has come full circle to bite them in the arse.

Still today buying diamonds with gold to repost 50K higher, great job guys. I will be getting diamonds for christmas, i will sit on them and enjoy the : WTB diamonds lol. F2P gets nothing for P2P players.

As per the argument that players with +12 gear cannot run Hardmode instance? bullcrap, they might not be able to 6 man hardmode and burn it, but they can certainly run it with 12 man and do the strat. Tired of people telling what you should do or not.

I say to people who spend real life money for diamonds, keep them, use them in your guild and improve yourselves and friends. Let the market dry up, let's run instances and have fun. Get set skills for others in lower instances, enjoy yourselves and be helpful.

The guild you are in is not a jail, you are allowed to go outside of it and help others, if they say you can't, well, i would leave it on the spot. Who are they to tell you what you can and cannot do? little control freaks, spoiled bratz, let them be alone in an empty, no fun, sad guild.

Kalvan post about if you don't like it, don't buy it, well he is right. Many times i have argued with Kalvan, i do not always agree with his post, but this one is correct. Stop QQ'ing THIS IS A GASHA SALE!!!! NOT A PLUSSING SALE!!!! it'S a bonus you might get.

GET OVER IT !!!!!!!

/close thread for derailment, sad people with epeen bigger than their brainz and player who do not actually reflect more than 1% of the players, oh and most of them who do not play anymore also, tyvm

Hiyas,

Let's remember the topic of this thread shall we?

Please stay on topic or take the other discussion you are having to another thread. Thx

~ Beren

EDIT: referring to posts above Zidlef's btw

This thread cracks me up. When will any of you realize that GF honestly doesn't give two craps what your opinions are? Haven't they shown you that repeatedly? Instead, you're all here bickering with each other when in reality the thing you should be mad at is the company.

Kalvan's point is correct: Don't like it, don't buy it. It's stupid as hell reasoning but it's correct. Saying that on every sale is a ridiculous way to manage a company, but it's correct.

My biggest regret is ever spending money on this game. It is so beyond not worth it. I feel it's time for you guys to move on. What does bickering and having the same arguments with each other on every thread ever opened achieve? Nobody is listening, and you're not achieving anything. I've finally learned that lesson, when will you?

Lil bo followed me after all <3

+16s, and all other jewels should always be on sale. Only reason they're not is due to the publisher's desire to capitalize on player's want for the item. In other words, only reason its not a permanent IS item is so they can charge you higher than they would, because its "not on sale as often." Same with ABLs.

Quoted from "zidlef"

As per the argument that players with +12 gear cannot run Hardmode instance? bullcrap, they might not be able to 6 man hardmode and burn it, but they can certainly run it with 12 man and do the strat. Tired of people telling what you should do or not.

Try it, only +12 max allowed on anything your toon is wearing, including weapons and accessories (logical, since those require +16 jewels too). Don't forget to post screenshot when you clear

Quoted from "Borella"

Kalvan's point is correct: Don't like it, don't buy it. It's stupid as hell reasoning but it's correct. Saying that on every sale is a ridiculous way to manage a company, but it's correct.

The reasoning is correct, but certainly not good for the company when they have to say that nearly every sale except for the occasional 1 or 2. People won't be very motivated to spend money on items they don't want. And that's going to bite GF back.

90% of the people in this game can't even clear endgame WITH +16 jewels available. Yet you're saying that the instances can be cleared without them? I'm with Ruisen.. go ahead and do it. Pics or it didn't happen. I'm all for your "Instances can be done with lower with 12 people." Okay, put your money where your mouth is. Go do it.

Oh wait, none of you can. That or won't.

Okay trying to bring the thread back on topic, I think the main reason why people are upset with this sale is that in some sense they were promised +16 jewels and not necessarily gashas.

http://us.runesofmagic.gameforge.com/new…che-werden-wahr


According to that one, we were supposed to look forward to runes (we finally got them hooray!) and enhanced startsplinter jewels. The fact that people saved diamonds (including myself) and did not get the actual jewels, but the possibility of getting them, it kinda felt like a slap to the face. Luckily I did something a bit more productive than many, I did not get mad, instead, I went back and re-sold them at Auction House cheaper than those "end gamers" with the currency monopoly, in hopes of seeing someone giving them a better use.

PS. As for the instances being too easy/hard, that really deserves a thread by itself and it is extremely subjective. Bethomia and Belathis is easy to some but in Palenque is very sad to see only 2 or 3 guilds get even close to doing the 1st Boss of Bethomia, with +16 or no +16 jewels.

Quoted from "Needundead"

PS. As for the instances being too easy/hard, that really deserves a thread by itself and it is extremely subjective. Bethomia and Belathis is easy to some but in Palenque is very sad to see only 2 or 3 guilds get even close to doing the 1st Boss of Bethomia, with +16 or no +16 jewels.

While that is possibly true, being i've just started playing again 2 weeks ago and can't say for sure. Palenque has always been low on progression. On the other hand I just cleared Beth hard 1-5, 2 days ago in a what i would call pug party. Though I was told half the party was Dovahkiin. I didn't pay that close attention just knew that there were more then 4 guilds in party. There was only one wipe and no attempts at 6th. We stopped after the 5th. Belathis i've not been in other then easy.(Namely because Noctuserus is dead. I'm the only active member left and so far have refused to leave. 14% riding speed buff for 12 hours is hard to give up.) Very few people i've talked to are wanting to go in viewing it as simply dying over and over for gear that's for the most part not worth getting. when they have full sets of beth hard gear.

Yes I noticed. During this month a couple of familiar faces have resurfaced which is nice for the server . As of now, pretty much only Dovakhin and Aurora can do something in Bethomia, namely because Midnight Assasin disintegrated. Im glad to see for once multiple guilds chipping in their little grain of sand to progress on something, even if it is not for the whole instance.

PS. Welcome back .

I click all my skills

I backpedal

I use WASD

Damnit I'm a noob

O wait it's rom, ezgame npnp

Quoted from "TWMXC"

I click all my skills

I backpedal

I use WASD

Damnit I'm a noob

O wait it's rom, ezgame npnp

But Racer is end game, saying the game is too easy. He's part of the problem. This easy game is too difficult!

You know what would also make the game easier? Plussing jewels (1-16) permanently in the itemshop. "Sales" on them should be a reduction of price via packaging (buy 5 get 1 free?). This should also apply to all other "sale" items. I.e. abls/extractors/30 day mount speed pots.

Quoted from "TWMXC"

O wait it's rom, ezgame for rogues npnp

fixed

If everyone had Clean T8 +16 orange statted X rune'd gear, I wonder how many people would clear endgame. Its always hard to accept this game as "easy" from those who have those type of gear because there's no comparison for most people to show that the rest of the population can or cannot clear it if they had the gear endgamers do.

There's been Beth-H pugs before, but never seen a clear until people got access to new disorders that were on par with old orange stats.

And ofc, longer fights = more chance to screw something up. Boss fight for second last boss in Beth-H takes about 4-5 mins for us - probably 4 times longer than it takes an endgame guild. And thats triple to time for the chance of all the wonderful things that could go wrong at that lag hell boss.

Well it is funny when you have comments by people like Ravesden and Borella, basicly calling us losers because we can't clear all hard instances. Well at least some of us try, fail and do it again to attemp it. Endgamers telling us we are all noobs who can't run hard mode. Well tyvm for the encouragement from the all knowing people.

Next time you need diamonds i hope that us noobs don't sell you any. You are a bunch of self loathing ingrates who bully others and trying to say they are not worth your time. So i hope all remember that when when i WTB diamonds comes up from you people.

Some of us play for the fun of the game and learning it as it was meant to be done, not full burns with 6 people all the time.

Make me sad to see those 2 posts from people i used to respect, really understand why people talk in your backs all the time and say bad thing about you, shows that they were right after all. Sad day for Reni ;-(