Runes of Magic US / AU

I'm going to reply to all this i'm FtP but I do buy diamonds, that is my choice, yes I pay rl coin for this to me np, other people this is an issue, I support this game with my limited purchases but iit is free to play, I hear what ppl say Free to Win, me I enjoy this game so support it with buying diamonds, I don't buy from the ah, that I can but don't up to you, FtP or PtW your choice but live with your choice but please don't moan about what choice you make my 2 bits

Quoted from "Ziav"

Quoted from "Cike"

$20 gets u nowhere in this game tbh....

Not alone no, but since when do players, especially the ones who are at/near level cap really need to spend $20 a month, every month on their gear? Spend $20 this month, save those dias, spend $20 next month, save.... until you NEED something. Like I said, players are spending on "fluff" they don't need then complaining how expensive the game is.

If you're just starting out gearing, you kind of need everything...

The point I'm trying to make is, this game is not friendly towards starting players. The gearing process from 0 is way too expensive to be appealing. I've watched many people give up on the process because they think they'll never make it.

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

Quoted from "Ziav"

Quoted from "Cike"

$20 gets u nowhere in this game tbh....

Not alone no, but since when do players, especially the ones who are at/near level cap really need to spend $20 a month, every month on their gear? Spend $20 this month, save those dias, spend $20 next month, save.... until you NEED something. Like I said, players are spending on "fluff" they don't need then complaining how expensive the game is.

If you're just starting out gearing, you kind of need everything...

The point I'm trying to make is, this game is not friendly towards starting players. The gearing process from 0 is way too expensive to be appealing. I've watched many people give up on the process because they think they'll never make it.

Please name "everything". While you are leveling upto maybe 65-75, you don't need all the items you would at cap or when you get your "final" set of gear. When you are leveling and gearing (again before your final set) you don't really need any of the following stuff...

+16 jewels, maybe +12 depending on the item.
4th rune slot driller, most of the time you can do without a 3rd driller
anymore than 6 puris per piece, you don't even need to fully stat every piece since its not your final set

Those are the items required to stat gear, please tell me how the game is unplayable without these items. Don't think I'm saying you'll never need/want these, you don't NEED these until you get a set of gear you plan to keep for a long period of time, ie NOT questing gear. There is quite a lot of stuff that can, and should, be purchased with tokens while leveling up. There is no NEED to spend diamonds (except for a mount) at anything below 60/65.

My point in all this is people are looking at it like you have to do everything at one time, gearing is a process, over a period of time. There is nothing wrong with +12/+16 what you can with what you have, then doing more pieces later when you can afford it then. I don't understand why people say it takes hundred of dollars to play this game. I know people who are active right now who have spent as little as $150 over FIVE YEARS. That works out to about $3 a month, yet they are still running end game. Players are looking at this from the wrong perspective, they see "oh you need to spend $500 to win" and think it has to be done all at once.

If I need to I can break down the NEED items that really are needed vs the "fluff" that people use, but don't need to play.

Hey, I like stick fight, so lemme join the party. Gold sink is just a part of the problem solve and it's only a temporary measure, whatever time/gold wasting they might invent, people eventually will get bored. Also there will come a time when people will ask again for the reintroduction of diamonds on AH so when this happens, we'll be back right where we started. There are some things that unfortunatelly needs diamonds, like house energy for example, I have ATM 470 energy and my house gets 54 energy/day, so where am I supposed to get those? Buy with real money you say. I used to, when I thought game staff could be trusted, but right now I'm not confident to put my money on something that gives me more stress than fun, like recent hack events, increase failrate, withdraw of important stuff from AH, etc, etc. So here's my suggested solution:

-allow diamonds back on AH, but with a fixed price, like for example 100K a piece, meaning doesn't matter how many diamonds any player put there on sale, engine will calculate 100K a piece, so basically will be luck of the draw, if someone want to buy diamonds. Could be yours, mine, etc. This will prevent gold spammers to buy cheaper diamonds and sell for higher prices and also allow people to have same chances of others to progress on the game.
-put npc that sells diamonds for a limited time, to start gold sink.
-reintroduce that roullete that used to give u some card I don't remember for 1 free spin a day and 1 extra for gold
-instead of doing those boring long and sometimes anoying festivals, pick one event of each randomly per week involving things like diamonds or gold or even tokens
-increase the cap of honor points for like 50K also increasing price in gold of honor stuff
-put missing recipes back in the game with some event that takes gold from people

Well that's an idea in progress, but for start would do a lot of good in the game instead of taking people stuff away without notice. Even if is for a good cause, people with less aquisitions might loose the will to continue play this game.

So you're telling someone to spend five years in order to become halfway relevant at endgame? That's even more of a ridiculous argument. The game was a million times easier to get into the gearing process three or four years ago. At this point, if you're only going to spend 15 dollars a month, you're never going to get endgame geared because endgame gear becomes outdated every 3-6 months. It's simply not reasonable to expect someone to play for five years in order to become relevant at endgame. This game probably won't even survive for another five years.

Sure, I've only spent maybe 250-300 bucks throughout the five years I've been playing, but I also play a Priest, one of the easiest classes to get geared well enough to do well. And I also started playing in an easier time. Gearing today is NOT what it was two to three years ago, when you could get a puri pack for 1M, or a couple KS runs.


In order to get to endgame, and run the endgame instance, it costs well over 20 dollars a month. That is a fact. Now, I'm not saying that you HAVE to get to endgame like that's the only point of the game, but if that's your goal, you're going to have to spend several hundreds of dollars to do it if you want to do it before the game goes down the toilet.

pretty much what borella said...ch1/2 endgame was extremely viable, as well as STAYING f2p endgame...if u tried for f2p endgame starting now, I would honestly be struck speechless if u were endgame within the next 6 months...

tbh, with the state of the game ATM, 15 bucks a month is pretty much f2p...

I would like to see somebody try for endgame with $15 a month now. please, try it. and post voids/updates about your progress...as well as keeping track of hours/time spent ingame...

Quoted from "Ziav"

Please name "everything". While you are leveling upto maybe 65-75, you don't need all the items you would at cap or when you get your "final" set of gear. When you are leveling and gearing (again before your final set) you don't really need any of the following stuff...

+16 jewels, maybe +12 depending on the item.
4th rune slot driller, most of the time you can do without a 3rd driller
anymore than 6 puris per piece, you don't even need to fully stat every piece since its not your final set

Those are the items required to stat gear, please tell me how the game is unplayable without these items. Don't think I'm saying you'll never need/want these, you don't NEED these until you get a set of gear you plan to keep for a long period of time, ie NOT questing gear. There is quite a lot of stuff that can, and should, be purchased with tokens while leveling up. There is no NEED to spend diamonds (except for a mount) at anything below 60/65.

My point in all this is people are looking at it like you have to do everything at one time, gearing is a process, over a period of time. There is nothing wrong with +12/+16 what you can with what you have, then doing more pieces later when you can afford it then. I don't understand why people say it takes hundred of dollars to play this game. I know people who are active right now who have spent as little as $150 over FIVE YEARS. That works out to about $3 a month, yet they are still running end game. Players are looking at this from the wrong perspective, they see "oh you need to spend $500 to win" and think it has to be done all at once.

If I need to I can break down the NEED items that really are needed vs the "fluff" that people use, but don't need to play.

I AM talking about the set of gear once you reach max level. As I've said, god forbid if anyone spends $50 on gear for questing. I do not believe it making your first set of gear perfect - my own opinion of the best method of gearing is starting from the bare minimum. I've seen too many people try to get perfectly statted, clean T6 +16 gear as their first statted set of gear, and by the time they finish 3-4 pieces, most of that gear is outdated.

Imo, first set of gear is enough with just +11, not clean tiered, fully statted gear with 1-2 runes. Except for Rings, +15 rings (I'm still using +15 rings 1.5 years after I started on the gear treadmill... lol) and a T9 or T10 +15 or +16 weapon. The weapon alone will cost you $15 or so even during double diamonds, once you add in the cost of 6 puris per gear for 13 gear and 1 wings, the cost of enough rune drillers for slot 1-2, the cost of plussing, its WAY more than $20.

There is nothing wrong with taking your time - I myself took 1.5 years to get somewhat geared. But it needs to be full set of crappy gear first, than improvements to that over time. If it takes a year to get 1 set of gear, by that time, most of the pieces you statted at the beginning will be WAY outdated (since it was so-so when you first statted it anyway).

Quoted from "Borella"

So you're telling someone to spend five years in order to become halfway relevant at endgame? That's even more of a ridiculous argument. The game was a million times easier to get into the gearing process three or four years ago. At this point, if you're only going to spend 15 dollars a month, you're never going to get endgame geared because endgame gear becomes outdated every 3-6 months. It's simply not reasonable to expect someone to play for five years in order to become relevant at endgame. This game probably won't even survive for another five years.

Sure, I've only spent maybe 250-300 bucks throughout the five years I've been playing, but I also play a Priest, one of the easiest classes to get geared well enough to do well. And I also started playing in an easier time. Gearing today is NOT what it was two to three years ago, when you could get a puri pack for 1M, or a couple KS runs.


In order to get to endgame, and run the endgame instance, it costs well over 20 dollars a month. That is a fact. Now, I'm not saying that you HAVE to get to endgame like that's the only point of the game, but if that's your goal, you're going to have to spend several hundreds of dollars to do it if you want to do it before the game goes down the toilet.

Again, another one who missed the point. I'm not saying it won't cost money to get to end game (or whatever point the player wants). What I am saying is people keep saying it's going to cost hundreds of dollars ALL AT ONCE. That is simply not the case. If you were to get the bethh gear now, it will still take some time to collect the stats you want, some on puris others not. What I am saying is that all of that money does NOT need to be spent at the same time, spread it over a period of time. My point about five years was to show you don't have to spend much money to be end game caliber. Right now you can't even buy the +16 jewels people keep bringing up, you can't buy the runes people see as a requirement, so that cost right there is put aside for another time. Unless you are being super aggressive in gathering stats (in which case you're probably willing to spend more money anyway), then it's going to take more than a few days/weeks to get everything you need. You don't need to buy all the puris you're ever going to need at the same time. When you have the stats you need to stat something, buy the puris you need them. When you need the plussers, you buy em (with the exception of +16 when they go on sale). If you need runes, think about crafting some.

Spread the amount of money you want to spend over a period of time, it doesn't all have to be spent at once. If you figure out you need to spend $200 to reach your goals, then spread that out over how many months you want to. Just because there is a cost does not mean that entire cost has to happen now.

@ruisen2000

Sounds like you're getting the point I'm trying to make. Spread the cost out. Nobody will be getting everything they need all at the same time, so spend the money when you need to, not because someone tells you to spend a certain amount. Buying diamonds on sale makes whatever amount you do spend go that much farther.

I think this is the best way to put it:

You can get well geared with $15-$20 a month, only if you spend an enormous amount of time farming. I myself spent an entire year farming, every single day, to get geared, and I was living on around 1000 diamonds per month, maybe a bit less. I don't know how I even endured, but I certainly will never do it again.

The majority of the P2P expect to get well geared without that sort of tedious farming, since they are paying, and to do that, it'll take you $100-150 to get well geared. (Of course, first 2-3 sets usually don't last that long unless you dish out $400-500 to buy the newer stats and nicer gear.)

I can understand the P2P point of view; when people play a game, they expect it to be fun. They don't want it to be another part time job. The gearing process itself is simply too boring, and most people end up spending more than they realize to skip it. Therefore, game is not too expensive to get geared. It is too expensive to skip most of the stupidly tediously boring process or gearing so that you have left over time to actually ENJOY the game. That is the purpose of a game after all - enjoyment. And enjoyment in RoM comes with a heavy price tag.

Honestly +1 to everything you just said. Can you get geared on 15-20 bucks a month? Yes. Eventually. Slowly. If you buy dias from other people as well. But as a P2P player.. I would expect to be able to pay as much (or more as anything above 15/month would be) as a p2p game and be able to get fully geared and statted quickly without having to grind.

15-20 bucks is maybe 1K dias if you're lucky. That is an extraordinarily small number of diamonds. There is no way in hell you can spread 1K dias out for an entire month unless you're supplementing it with other diamonds bought with gold, in which cause you have to farm for it.. which defeats the purpose of being p2p in the first place. Charges alone for a weapon is going to cost you a month's worth of diamonds at least.. probably more.. for ONE piece out of 16 (depending on class.)

It's crazy. Sure, once you get to endgame you can sustain it on a lower budget. But getting there? Hell no you can't do it with ONLY 15-20 bucks a month.

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

I think this is the best way to put it:

You can get well geared with $15-$20 a month, only if you spend an enormous amount of time farming. I myself spent an entire year farming, every single day, to get geared, and I was living on around 1000 diamonds per month, maybe a bit less. I don't know how I even endured, but I certainly will never do it again.

The majority of the P2P expect to get well geared without that sort of tedious farming, since they are paying, and to do that, it'll take you $100-150 to get well geared. (Of course, first 2-3 sets usually don't last that long unless you dish out $400-500 to buy the newer stats and nicer gear.)

I can understand the P2P point of view; when people play a game, they expect it to be fun. They don't want it to be another part time job. The gearing process itself is simply too boring, and most people end up spending more than they realize to skip it. Therefore, game is not too expensive to get geared. It is too expensive to skip most of the stupidly tediously boring process or gearing so that you have left over time to actually ENJOY the game. That is the purpose of a game after all - enjoyment. And enjoyment in RoM comes with a heavy price tag.

One of the major problems with RoM is that it has too much of a grind. It's not really enjoyable until you get to endgame. Questing is boring as crap, and low level dungeons are empty or only sped run through by a high level. This means you have to speed through to cap and try and get good gear in order to have really much fun in the best aspects of the game: Endgame instances and siege. Since questing to 82 takes 1-2 weeks tops.. assuming 20 bucks a month you're going to be a fresh level 82 with 1K dias. That won't get you anywhere. What are you going to do for the year it's going to take you to slowly make gear? Minigames? Fun. No not really.

It does cost alot to make your 1st endgame toon. Borella is correct in saying it is not that bad once you are on top. However Rom is still the best option for people like me that work alot but still want to be the best on an MMO. I cannot devote the time needed so I do not play one of the other 100+ MMO's out there. Rom operates on two extremes that benefit each other. I cannot be a endgame player without F2P people farming extra stuff to sell. F2P players cannot be endgame without my diamonds.

The players I don't understand are the ones that spend $20 a month but do not farm and expect to be endgame. Either put up real money and buy everything or work to get everything for free. Rom has no middle ground and you will forever suck if you live in that middle ground.

Quoted from "Mrpushpop"

It does cost alot to make your 1st endgame toon. Borella is correct in saying it is not that bad once you are on top. However Rom is still the best option for people like me that work alot but still want to be the best on an MMO. I cannot devote the time needed so I do not play one of the other 100+ MMO's out there. Rom operates on two extremes that benefit each other. I cannot be a endgame player without F2P people farming extra stuff to sell. F2P players cannot be endgame without my diamonds.

The players I don't understand are the ones that spend $20 a month but do not farm and expect to be endgame. Either put up real money and buy everything or work to get everything for free. Rom has no middle ground and you will forever suck if you live in that middle ground.

I agree with all of this Mr. The problem are that players are lazy and expect everything for free. Gather, craft, plant, petcraft etc. F2P expects to not spend a dime at all and it will never happen if they do not put the time in it.

Some players say they are retired but come here to flame, other say the game ain't worth their time but they come to flame etc. Instead of flaming at Gameforge and other players that actually play, care about it and spend time in the game, start playing your toon instead of filling the forums with gibberish, tyvm.

Go fill your ADD or FDS on that supposedly awesome game you have found and leave the people who enjoy this game alone.

I wanna put a good mention for VVV, i don't like all their guild members but they do help people get gear, stats at a reasonable pricing, so kudo's to them to be able to deal with the stress of running an endgame guild that is still active more than 1 hour a day.

For the love of god please just kill me now before i have to read more of this p2p vs ftp garbage.
Everyone has an opinion thats fine but just let it go its cluttering up my new posts and it is a futile argument from both sides.
I have been both on this game but now i just want to play and have fun.
I come to the forums to get info and to maybe help a little bit.
All of you should be ashamed for acting like spoiled children.
And why the hell is it always me that keeps saying this.
Has everyone gone loco?
Wtb tinfoil hat cause if these are the things that are seen by the people that can forward things to runewacked i mean runewaker we are all doomed.
Can you now see just how silly this all looks?
/endtroll
Opps i mean
/endrant

i second this post ^

RoM was built to make sure players, regardless of how they identify (P2P or F2P), are dependent on the item shop. Whether through gifting, buying diamonds off the auction house, or buying them with cash, all players who want to be a part of endgame content will need to use the item shop. The only time I could see it being TRULY FREE TO PLAY is if the following conditions are met:

- Full set of gear (armor, weapon, accessories) are built by another player and bought directly from said player (gold expensive)
- Said gear is OD, relieving the user of the expense of Golden Repair Hammers