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Monday, February 3rd 2014, 9:17am

Rational discourse on server merger to solve dead community problems

So, I was away for a little over a year about a month+ ago when I can back to Osha. I find the lack of players here and in other servers quite disturbing. What I find even more so is the fact that the idea of a server merger doesn't seem to have gained much steam for whatever reason. I'd like to know what information and options have been discussed regarding merging the servers down so that there is at least some activity on the game no matter what time you log on. I remember the days when I'd log on and feel like I was being trampled in Logar. Now I can pretty much go anywhere and the only people I run across are endgamers with ridiculously statted "no-lifer" gear and even then they are running pretty thin.

Having been a forum moderator/GM (of another MMO) in the past the benefits clearly outweigh the cons with regard to a merger of like-typed servers.

So why has this not been discussed much more openly???

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Monday, February 3rd 2014, 10:35am

It has been. But they don't care and/or couldn't be bothered. Go try out AU for a bit, it has been so freakishly dead for a year now and still nothing has been done except push even those that stuck around 'hoping' away.
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Monday, February 3rd 2014, 11:10am

Phew. I am so happy that this thread is labeled rational discourse, since the previous 20 threads on this quickly degenerated into incoherent ranting. I bet this won't happen here.
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Monday, February 3rd 2014, 12:58pm

Server merge has been discussed a lot, and it won't ever happen. The pit himself said on the German team speak talk NEVER. So hard to think this will ever happen sadly
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Monday, February 3rd 2014, 2:02pm

They are keeping the servers open so when they can transfer them to a different game quickly when they close ROM.

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Monday, February 3rd 2014, 7:03pm

It has been discussed openly. We've been told point blank that it's never happening, so stop making threads about it.
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Monday, February 3rd 2014, 9:34pm

It has been discussed openly. We've been told point blank that it's never happening, so stop making thre just rads about it.

So, because someone tells you no, you just roll over and do as your told? Ever hear that the squeaky wheel gets the greese? If you just drop the topic then they figure it does not matter. By sticking around and keeping the topic relevent and in their face they will have to address it. Even if they say no. At some point, they will cave and give the players what they are requesting. Now, at the present they may not want to do a merge do to the fact they are trying to do away with the current gold spammers/seller problems and mixing the economies could be devestating to the progression of stoping the goldsellers. So far, Gameforge has had more ups than downs, and have been quicker to responed to the player base than Frogster was.

Guess the point is, we need to keep this topic relavent so they know this is not just want of the community but rather a need. Had all African Americans just rolled over and allowed themselves to be treaded on then they would eventualy wind back up in slavery.(I am not Black but they did make an excelent example).

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Allow diamonds to apply to same account, but server wide. As for the server merge.............make it a near future (like by fall 2014) objective with great attention to detail. In other words, test it first before doing a full server merge and everyone for weeks-months later are screaming they lost this or that. Possibly host a poll on which servers to merge with others. For pvp servers, eliminate them and instead implement a pvp channel under a pve server. This way, everyone wins.

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Monday, February 3rd 2014, 10:12pm

soul, they have not only said they wouldn't do server merges, they said it was "impossible"...so you can ask all you want, but in the end, if it is in fact "impossible", then you will just be disappointed...that being said, i think the "impossible" excuse is a big pile of...



if they do server merges, AU shud be first, to whatever server they want, and next would the the pvp servers, then prolly the 3 low population pve servers(osha, pal, and that other one, sorry guy, i forgot ur name >.< )...i do not foresee this being a fast or neat process, and it will take months to sort out all the database errors...or it can turn into a "missing character fiasco"...this is what i think GF is truly worried about...

RoM itself has the ability to transfer chars across servers(has been done in the past), i am just confident that GF either does not know how("lost" manual?), or does not want to devote the resources to figure out how...
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Monday, February 3rd 2014, 10:23pm

well, they say its impossible but yet at the begining of ch4 they held an open beta contest, where some people were able to go onto a test server and play.. soo im sure it is actually possible
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Monday, February 3rd 2014, 10:33pm

well, they say its impossible but yet at the begining of ch4 they held an open beta contest, where some people were able to go onto a test server and play.. soo im sure it is actually possible


if i were doing this, i would just move the accounts/chars from 2-3 servers on to a new, blank server, like they did in the event you are referencing...especially since, as you pointed out, GF has done this before, so server transfers were not only restricted to the frogster-era...

however, iirc, the people who went on the test server could only have 1 char moved, with only the items in their bp and what they were wearing. not sure if this was just an arbitrary rule or a restriction in the transfer itself...
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Monday, February 3rd 2014, 10:50pm

well, they say its impossible but yet at the begining of ch4 they held an open beta contest, where some people were able to go onto a test server and play.. soo im sure it is actually possible


If you were around at the time and paying attention, you would realize why this was not really a transfer.

Edit: Darn, didn't check Cike's message, he already covered why.
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Monday, February 3rd 2014, 11:39pm

Technically, they COULD simply create a new character with a name of your choice on the chosen realm and manually recreate every item and every piece of gear that you have ever bought. However.. good luck with that. The amount of hours it would take to simply do one person, let alone the dozens on all the dead servers... The GM's don't even get paid, and the support staff already takes a bit to get back to tickets, imagine how long this would take.
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Tuesday, February 4th 2014, 4:01am

"Impossible" when being told to the community means "We don't want to do it unless we are paid an obscene amount of money or are losing an obscene amount of money" in Developer-speak.

Happens every few months over at Jagex.

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Tuesday, February 4th 2014, 4:28am

I agree on a server merge. It would not only make the old players happy but when new players come to the game they would stay. I have been looking for people to run through fa to gain honor party points and i cant find any lower lvls. Reason being when they start there is no one around to lvl with them so the game looks dead to new players. Even if there was a fee to do so im sure people would be happy to pay. The game still has a bunch of people playing they are just spread out over the servers. Dont let the form tolls discourage you from trying. Its still a good game.

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Tuesday, February 4th 2014, 5:25am

Guys its not a matter of if you agree with a merge or not. It is technologically impossible for this game to do a server merge. It was built around the idea of separate servers that only interact for 1 hour a day in a minimal and very controlled way. To be able to successfully merge servers would take more hours and man power than would be worth it. The process would litreally be something along the lines of:
Take Arti and Reni.
Pick which server is being merged into. (Lets say reni merges into arti)
From here, you have to find all clashes that occur in the game data, including but not limited to player names, guild names, item ids, probably stat ids, house keepers, ...
You then have to juggle who gets to keep which names, who gets to be in which guild, etc. and then have players yell about how they are losing their names in a transfer they didn't want (or that they did until they realized what they were giving up)
Then, even given all that, if some how servers did merge sucessfully, you would have players making claims for lost items (there would be many) and you have to differentiate which of those claims are legit.

In all this, i forgot to mention, from the way the GM's have described it in the past they dont have the ability to just copy and paste items into the game. Each item, each character that they fix or remake for us, they do by hand from the ground up. Like they spawn a piece of armor, then add its plussing, adjust its dura, toss its stats and runes on, and mail it to us, or drop it on our toons. They have to do this for every peice of armor on every stat on every account active or inactive.

There is no magic button for server merges. Everything has to be recreated from the ground up. Which is why it would never happen.

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Tuesday, February 4th 2014, 5:30am

Or, you could make a new server. It'll work the same way as siege servers (hopefully with more stability), and everyone gets their home servers added to their names.
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Tuesday, February 4th 2014, 5:44am

Or, you could make a new server. It'll work the same way as siege servers (hopefully with more stability), and everyone gets their home servers added to their names.

A) i don't want my name to be Darwec(Reni) i want it to be Darwec
B) it dosent change the fact that the GMs would still either be making each toon and gear item by hand, or have to start writing a script to move all data to the new server. The amount of errors and accidentally missed or corrupted items would still be the same.

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Tuesday, February 4th 2014, 10:06am

Lets try to keep it "Rational", please :)

Okay, so after seeing the first volley of rant I'd like to address some of the concerns.


First, Cheers to Soulvengeance for taking point like that. You are correct. If we don't persist in expressing as a community what we want we will end up with more of the same. It would be sad if the community just laid down it's arms so easily. Which unfortunately is what I'm seeing. WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT!

Second, To who or whomever said it was impossible, I should slap thee, with a big wet stinky fish! When Henry Ford said he was going to revolutionize the face of transportation with an assembly line technique. People said this was impossible. BZZZ, Wrong answer. Even other popular name brand MMO's have merged servers. So, there. It's impossible for it to be impossible. As for my fellow gamer Darwec, your name would not be changed. The server you were/are on becomes your "last name", which to us the players is invisible, but allows the game to discern a difference in associations. In a worst case scenario a space, not underscore, or even a unnoticeably different font and/or color could be attributed to unique accounts and the names displayed. Viola. The impossible doesn't seem sooo, now does it? (BTW, that's a rhetorical question)

Lastly, My two cents on a process:

1)Pick the highest population server(s) to merge into. Pick the lowest population servers to merge into them. (see step 3). Create DUMMY server.
2)Give fair warning it's going to happen. Believe it or not I don't think people would be upset as a whole. Might I suggest 60-90 days.
3)Begin the process of pruning dead accounts, but archive them to DUMMY server in case somebody returns and can prove account ownership.
3a)Assure Guild Assets are protected during pruning. If a guild is dead, it's dead, If it isn't default ownership to highest ranking member at day 30)
4)Start with the lowest population server, AFTER PRUNING, at day 30. Do 1 PvE and 1 PvP, Day 60 Start the other 2 in 2 30 day chunks.
5)Resolve trouble tickets ASAP FIFO, Hire a few people if you need to, your not going broke anytime soon, I've done the math.
6)Live happily ever after.

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Tuesday, February 4th 2014, 1:03pm

it doesn't matter how easy YOU think it is...it is all up to GF, and for years they have said no...
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Tuesday, February 4th 2014, 3:45pm

Look, im not saying its totally impossible. Im saying that for the effort and amount of code reworking that you all are talking about, it would make more sense to fix the problems that are running players off both time wise and financially.

A server merge would be a short term solution with a cost greater than the long term fixes.