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Saturday, February 8th 2014, 5:55pm

Update Existing Jewel Levels

Problem:
We (or at least I) have too many existing lower plussing jewels that can't be used on the latest gear due to level restrictions. This also leads to more wasted space being used up in the backpack/bank/chest/maid.

So this doesn't continue to be a problem in the future solution:
Add a gear level requirement of 999 to all future jewels.

Solution 1:
Update all existing lower jewels to the current highest ones on your end. Some DB manipulation or what not. I would think this sort of change would be easy to implement, but since I'm unaware of what would be required, I can't speak to the complexity involved.

Solution 2:
Provide a NPC that allows us to trade in our existing jewels for the highest equivalent. I assume to allow this trade to occur you would require some SMALL amount of diamonds (or gold) to complete the deal.

I would want solution 1, but with the amount of greed involved with RoM management when it comes to jewels, I can see them wanting to go with solution 2. Some of the existing lower jewels that I have would be nice at current max level (90) since either:
A) They don't offer it in IS anymore (e.g. Perfect +12s)
B) They rarely put them in IS anymore (e.g. Enhanced +16s)
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Saturday, February 8th 2014, 9:17pm

The idea of level-based items is reasonable. It allows what used to be cutting edge OP to become affordable to masses, as it slides into early or midgame. Much as I can buy a smartphone, a computer, a TV that is comparable in power to what used to be top of the line a few years ago, and pay 20-30% of the original cost, so should be the case with game items.

I want to tell people who are leveling up that they can get that RT or GCH gear and stat it and have decent gear midgame. But I can't. There is no graduated ABLs, drillers, stats, etc, only graduated jewels. So the cost of making mid-level gear is prohibitive and nobody makes any. Most of my guildies (and me too) sit on chestfuls of good gear that we can't sell or give to someone because it costs too much for something they would outgrow soon.

So, I don't want trade up programs or universal jewels. Instead, add more graduated items that would make mid-game gearing viable. Rather than removing the only foray into the scheme to make mid-game gear worth making, add more items and make it viable.
-- Rustyx --- 92R / 92S / 92M on Reni (Guild KnightShift). Yes, running the new FOTM R/M, cause I am not elf enough to be WD/S.

Oh, and people who have more than 3 classes are clinically insane.


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Saturday, February 8th 2014, 9:31pm

I'd rather they add the lower lvl jewels back into the IS and reduce prices every time new highest jewels come out...

on another note, WTB plussing services for low lvl gear...reni or palenque...


also, +1 to rusty
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Saturday, February 8th 2014, 10:27pm

This argument is only based on the existing huge cost of the jewels.

If they lowered the cost of the 'universal' jewels, this point would be moot. It also doesn't address the issue where I have plussing jewels that once existed for lower gear, do not work on current gear, and aren't even being offered for current gear.
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Monday, February 10th 2014, 4:31am

Those jewels you have still work just on lower gear.
Heres my thoughts , i believe abls and plussing jewels should be perm in cash shop.
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Monday, February 10th 2014, 4:33am

Heres my thoughts , i believe abls and plussing jewels should be perm in cash shop.

yes, and put all the lower lvl jewels back for reduced price, as well as "low lvl" abls...
my r/p can outdps r/m. your name is stupid.

mages should stack dex. word.

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Monday, February 10th 2014, 5:46am

Those jewels you have still work just on lower gear.
Yes, well aware lower jewels work on lower gear...so do current level jewels. However, I did not buy them to plus gear for others nor do some of these jewels exist now at current levels when needed. If you buy (or retain old) jewels to help plus other player's gear, great, but that is not my choice. Especially when this game is expensive enough for just my own gear. I don't even understand why the old gear needs to be plussed anyway. One should really only work on their gear once they are max level and use quest gear (or relative equivalent) until then. When was the last time you saw Perfect +12 armor jewel? I got 6 that can only go up to level 70.. :thumbdown:

I have yet to see any negative opinions on either of the two solutions.
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Wednesday, March 5th 2014, 2:31am

Some notes for RoM management:

- IF you add a 'universal' level jewel per piece so this doesn't happen again on future gear level increases, you should make it cost no more than the cheapest ones now.

Example:
{Currently} - The "Moon Jewel - Blessing" IS item currently costs 5 diamonds, but only goes up to level 30.
{After change} - The "Moon Jewel - Blessing" IS item currently costs 5 diamonds and only goes up to level 999.

- Solution 1 might need to be clarified to say the following so there is no confusion on intention:
"Update all existing lower jewels a player currently owns to the highest ones on your end."

Example:
{Currently} - I have 6 perfect +12 armor jewels that can only improve up to level 70 gear.
{After change} – I have 6 perfect +12 armor jewels that can only improve up to level 90 gear.

- Keep in mind regarding solution 1 - If this sort of solution is used, you will need to keep doing it multiple times in the RoM lifespan once the current jewel limits have been passed..

- Solution 2 could even create another gold sink as another step to improve the server’s economy!

- The level of player discomfort is high (low, medium, high, critical) on plussing jewels where one of these sorts of solutions need to be implemented. To put things in perspective, if there was an identical game out there (lets call it “Rogues of Magic” :P ) where everything else was the same but these plussing jewel changes were implemented, I would go to that game and drop my current high level character in a heartbeat.


Alrighty then...it has been a long time and no one provided any negative outcomes of either two solutions in the short nor long term.


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M (100), P (100), W (100), K (100), S (100), R (100) --> order of previously being active
Reni Mithras Aeterna Server (6/27/2017 - Mainly RETIRED,Came back temporarily to get more cards ).
06/07/2011 (ch. 3) - Group completed RT diamond mode with me as M/K!