Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "TWMXC"

lmao. stop sucking so bad on artemis and make a guild worth joining and staying in. go run hardmode and sell the stuff yourself if you want to see everything be cheaper and easier for the server.

by this thinking, people should shut up about the cost of the game and just pay it or find ways to make enough gold to afford it.... see how easily that gets turned around?

not that I think that needs to happen but a comment like that is what it leads to.


I mean new players have to spend money to get diamonds to sell for gold, to then buy the gear. Why is it no one considers this part of the cost of the game for new players? Hrm? Cause you know they cant get in a guild to get the gear themselves cause of the elitist recruitment, so they have to buy it to get geared enough to have a chance of getting in those guilds. So you have to add that RL cost to the game. Which could be mitigated by the players if they truly cared about the game... instead of their own pocketbook.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

Quoted from "TWMXC"

lmao. stop sucking so bad on artemis and make a guild worth joining and staying in. go run hardmode and sell the stuff yourself if you want to see everything be cheaper and easier for the server.

by this thinking, people should shut up about the cost of the game and just pay it or find ways to make enough gold to afford it.... see how easily that gets turned around?

not that I think that needs to happen but a comment like that is what it leads to.


I mean new players have to spend money to get diamonds to sell for gold, to then buy the gear. Why is it no one considers this part of the cost of the game for new players? Hrm? Cause you know they cant get in a guild to get the gear themselves cause of the elitist recruitment, so they have to buy it to get geared enough to have a chance of getting in those guilds. So you have to add that RL cost to the game. Which could be mitigated by the players if they truly cared about the game... instead of their own pocketbook.

Thats exactly what this thread is about. new ppl are the diamond buyers genearlly. make diamond prices more resonable so their entry into the game is easier. you just got derailed by your own hatred for ppk.

Quoted from "Mrjoshua29"

It seems like the more people that leave the game the more expensive it gets.

Making it over $50 to stat, plus, drill, purie, and tier a end game set of gear is killing the game.

Just make the game worth the price you are asking.

These are the main points from my understanding of the first post. For every piece of gear you make in this game, only a portion of the cost is the gear piece itself and the in-game stats. The majority of the expenses for gearing are based in the Item Shop, which means the majority of the expenses are in RL dollars (even if you're using someone else's dollars instead of your own). Whether you're f2p, f2w, p2p, p2w, new player, or endgame player, you have to use the Item Shop to create a quality piece of gear. The expenses made in the Item Shop affect everyone.

Whether or not the OP is in an endgame guild isn't relevant here. That guild could be giving out endgame gear for FREE and they wouldn't be saving me a single cent in the Item Shop. I'd still be spending an outrageous amount of RL money *per piece* to make anything they gave away worth using.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

Quoted from "TWMXC"

lmao. stop sucking so bad on artemis and make a guild worth joining and staying in. go run hardmode and sell the stuff yourself if you want to see everything be cheaper and easier for the server.

by this thinking, people should shut up about the cost of the game and just pay it or find ways to make enough gold to afford it.... see how easily that gets turned around?

not that I think that needs to happen but a comment like that is what it leads to.


I mean new players have to spend money to get diamonds to sell for gold, to then buy the gear. Why is it no one considers this part of the cost of the game for new players? Hrm? Cause you know they cant get in a guild to get the gear themselves cause of the elitist recruitment, so they have to buy it to get geared enough to have a chance of getting in those guilds. So you have to add that RL cost to the game. Which could be mitigated by the players if they truly cared about the game... instead of their own pocketbook.

Can't control the price of the item shop, hence this thread.

Can build a group of players to go run instances and earn drops for yourselves, or just whine about elitist prices.

yes but as a player base we CAN control the cost of gear in terms of diamonds and thus the RL cost... hence my posts.


Yet people CHOSE not to mitigate that cost in hopes to reduce the cost for the new players... Yet you then think GF should reduce the cost and you shouldn't......


Hypocrisy.

Nothing the players do can change the fact that plussing jewels are extremely overpriced, runes are overpriced, everything is overpriced in the item shop. Even if you never use diamonds to sell them for gear, this game is still ridiculously overexpensive.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

yes but as a player base we CAN control the cost of gear in terms of diamonds and thus the RL cost... hence my posts.


Yet people CHOSE not to mitigate that cost in hopes to reduce the cost for the new players... Yet you then think GF should reduce the cost and you shouldn't......


Hypocrisy.

I dont see why you are so against seeing effort from the devs part.

I want effort from ALL sides

Borella players can sell gear for less than 5 bucks a piece or more. So don't say "nothing" they can do... there is something they can do.. they just don't wanna. When was the last time you sold gear for 5 mil their unbinder on a sale?


Yes devs can make it cheaper, but PLAYERS can make it cheaper too. I only sell stuff for a fair price.. my stuff flys off the AH cause I am a good amount everyone else. Cause I value it at a fair price, like half of everyone else.

Do YOU do that?


I know the answer, cause you woulda bragged about it already if you did. (Removed... stay on topic)

Borella may not but I do. Hell I give away most of my stuff to people who also need it. Can one person/one GUILD even of people be able to outfit the whole server? Helll......no. Literally not enough runs/drops/anything. Then you have the costs that the people who run have. We buy things from the item shop, we make our own pots if needed, we buy stats just like everyone else, we even sometimes buy gear. Anything you see in the ah (to a point) is normally a group sale. Which means its split 12. Ways. So something that's maybe 12 million gold? Everyone gets 1 mill each minus the ah fee. Thats not enough to even cover the cost of the unbinder. And so on.

But still. BACK ON TOPIC. The ORIGINAL post on here was directed at the COST OF THINGS IN THE ITEM SHOP. You ranting at endgamers is really and seriously off topic and makes no to little difference. So please. Stop. Derailing this thread could be all the justification the gamemakers need to ignore it. It really doesn't matter how much gear sells for. You will absolutely spend more on the stats and plussing and everything else then on a piece of gear. Hands down. And you will NEVER get that money back. Even with resale. It will not happen. Ever. So as soon as you make something, pretty much loses about 100 mill of worth. Guaranteed. And you will still need to spend the same amount of gold/real money to plus and drill the next piece if not more.

SO. BACK ON TOPIC. Which is ONLY just about the ITEM SHOP COST of things and/or the real life price of diamonds.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

I know the answer, cause you woulda bragged about it already if you did. (Removed)

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Of course I don't sell gear for 5M. Split 5M by 12 people? Good luck. Sell endgame, best gear in the game, for 5M? Heck no. Not when i'm getting charged 130K a diamond. And 20M a shell stat.

Players make things cheaper, that doesn't fix anything. There's still way too much gold on the servers. The biggest problem in this game IS the price of the Item Shop. If it didn't cost 5K USD for an endgame set of gear, we wouldn't have to sell gear for so much. It takes an absurd amount of gold and diamonds to gear to an endgame level.

or gameforge can just lower item shop prices so more players can achieve the required gear status to run stuff on their own, and then in turn auction house prices will decrease because of competition. think chapter 3 rt era vs. now.

Quoted from "ear33402"

Anything you see in the ah (to a point) is normally a group sale. Which means its split 12. Ways. So something that's maybe 12 million gold? Everyone gets 1 mill each minus the ah fee. Thats not enough to even cover the cost of the unbinder. And so on.

You don't loose out on splitting the profits between all 12 players, because 2 pieces of gear drop per boss, which is like 14 pieces of gear per instance run, and HM is 6 man'd now anyway.

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

Quoted from "ear33402"

Anything you see in the ah (to a point) is normally a group sale. Which means its split 12. Ways. So something that's maybe 12 million gold? Everyone gets 1 mill each minus the ah fee. Thats not enough to even cover the cost of the unbinder. And so on.

You don't loose out on splitting the profits between all 12 players, because 2 pieces of gear drop per boss, which is like 14 pieces of gear per instance run, and HM is 6 man'd now anyway.

One: It was an example.
Two: Two pieces of gear DO drop. Very very few pieces OD or with decent stats. Not only that but not a lot of people use plate- unless they are tanks- and not a lot of people use the Sandos set from Beth. Not a ton of people use chain either and a LOT of people prefer to buy od to save hammers (which you AGAIN need to buy with essentially IRL money whether through the IS or adv packs WHICH IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD). So by far not every drop is sold.
Three: In what country are you talking about? I'm referring to Grotto and I can assure you that on Reni at least it is never 6-manned.
Four: My statement still stands. In VERY rare occasions do we less-then-12-man even Beth HM. No point unless you have the perfect group.
That being said, we also still have people that need gear from it, myself being one of them. Anything good, gearwise or statwise, that drops is very likely taken by a member of that party.

and the finale being....

THIS IS NOT THE THREAD FOR THIS CONVERSATION. IT IS ABOUT IRL DIAMOND COSTS/ITEM SHOP COSTS. Does no one talking about endgamers versus the world even READ that part? Or are we so focused on hating each other that we can't respect the original topic for this thread?

The request fer a cheaper IS hast been requested many timers. Sadly, Gameforge's recent days hast been the opposite reaction. They done hast been raisin prices. Lemme state that gain. They hast been raisin prices. Yet we keep on buyin their stuffs (me included). Who tis laughin now?

you are right Lemon, people buy it, prices will go up. The same people requesting cheaper prices, go and drop mad $$ on getting geared. Course I have said the game could be inherently cheaper if you didn't require so much to be able to run instances. If the requirements were lower for running a dung... less would have to be spent on average and the price of the game would be cheaper... but people don't want instances easier... cause then they lose their gear market.

Game could be cheaper many different ways:

1) GF just cuts their IS prices. Which why should they? Lots of players state they wont spend any RL money on the game, so lowering the price wont attract that business. Also if people are buying, why should they drop the prices? You drop prices when you cant move a product. They might be making more than enough profits... which is what businesses care about.

2) If newer players got gear cheaper it would lower the cost for the new players. No need to spend 10 bucks worth of diamonds to convert to gold for one piece of gear... that would drop the price of the game.

3) If newer players could get gear easier. Needing to be less geared to run it themselves and get the gear they want. More guilds running instances drives prices down, making it more affordable for new/casual players.

It seems #1 is the only one people want to see, and like to pretend 2/3 wouldn't help newer players, which it would. It is just as demoralizing and unattractive to a new player to hear to get the gear they want, itll cost them 80 million gold, when the average new player might make 10 million on their own at the start. Or the thought that... at 200k per diamond, is still 400 diamonds, each piece.

Yes the cost of this game needs to go down to attract new players. Existing player are still shelling it out, so why should they worry about them. That is the honest truth.


Now out of the 3 of those things. We can hope for the first and the third. The second the player base can affect themselves. They just chose not to.


Now before anyone says anything. I have joined an endgame guild... don't really need gear from the runs. Geared up on my own, and I still sell stuff cheap. It is cause I actually care about the game, not just myself.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

you are right Lemon, people buy it, prices will go up.

same logic can be applied for endgame items, why blame the endgame guilds farming and selling for prices that people pay for it, if someone wants something bad enough they will pay whatever they want for it. they could just not sell it to people and share it around the guild and then i guess you have people who would cry cause they dont sell. They could not offer world boss corpse for 60 elites but they do. Really dont see the issue here other then maybe a personal hatred.

not saying it is an issue... did I say anywhere that I want the system to change? I don't see that I did.

If I did could you please point it out to me?


I am merely stating the fact that... if you think the game is too expensive.. then you should see where it is too expensive in ALL aspects. Not just the ones YOU want to see changed. Personally, for me, the game is fine the way it is. Ill keep putting money into it, like I have.

However, I do realize in its current form ( IN ALL 3 aspects) the game might not be attractive and therefore should be changed for the better of the game.


You make posts saying you think the game is too expensive. I don't care about gear prices, ill keep paying what I see as fair for what I want. Which btw the last piece I paid 120 mil for, and didn't bat an eye. So your opinion of me is completely false if you think I have a problem, personally, with gear prices.


The difference being, I can see a new player being driven away by both gear and IS prices.

In life there are some things you can control and things you cant control. We cant, as a community, control what GF charges. We can try to get it changed, we can voice our opinion... that is it. However, as a community we have complete control over the price that we sell gear to the new players. I sell mine cheaper to help the game... some don't.

So I have to wonder if you either 1) don't think gear prices drive away new players, or 2) think you shouldn't have to drop your prices to help anyone.. that is everyone else's job.

There is no hate, or whatever brain fart you think you are having... The topic is the game is too expensive and it is too expensive in ALL aspects.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

but people don't want instances easier... cause then they lose their gear market.

I don't want easier instances and it has nothing to do with gear. It has to do with interest. I want a challenge. I don't have much incentive for running grotto or beth anymore because once you have done something so many times the fun wears off. Beth HM especially holds as much interest for me as a mini game. This is my personal stance of course, but I want something challenging that takes a while to clear. Belathis did a great job with that imo

i am ok for all the gear to be the same out of all difficulty of instances. That would let the instances be as hard as people want... and fix the gear issue. I have suggested this more times than i can count... It is always met with anger and insults. I get some want a challenge, not all are like you

Please debate with eachother without starting a confrontation.