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Tuesday, May 6th 2014, 2:29pm

Make the game more affordable for everybody

Helping out new players is great and all, but what happens when they aren't "new" anymore? unless there is also something keeping the current players, the rate at which players come and go will just speed up. personally, I don't think that is very good for the community, have a player base that cycles. we could throw endgame gear at noobs, but then what happens happens when they actually have to pay their own way? its just delaying the inevitable with the current system.

one of the biggest things driving the current population away is the cost of the game.

i've said this before, but making IS cheaper(or more dias per dollar) makes the game better for EVERYBODY.

there is too much gold on the servers already, heck, endgame gear now sells for hundreds of millions. something that, under the original game design, should require multiple installments. if you want to make the game cheaper in RL money, the IS NEEDS to be adjusted. trying to change the servers economy without GF/dia adjustment will do nothing but piss 1/2 the population off. we've all seen it before. lower the price of even 1 aspect(in gold)(whether it be gear, dias, stats, etc...) and all of a suddenly one group is happy and another group feels like they got ripped off.

yes, this is pretty much a duplicate of my post in the new players thread, but since that is about new players, I decided to make a new thread on this broader topic.
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Tuesday, May 6th 2014, 2:58pm

Just a general agreement with this post, though I doubt we'll see a reduction in prices unless the company is willing to take a risk. By this I mean, lower prices and accompany it with somewhat of an advertising blitz. I doubt either will happen. For long term survivability I think it should, but that's just my opinion. :)

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Wednesday, May 7th 2014, 2:31am

i totally agree
let me be honest here
have two toons level 85
i somehow have some stats and some pîece of gear, just waiting to be stated and plussed, but when i do the math again and again

i need per piece

A/1 cleaning stone
B/1 hammer, cos not all pieces are OD, since Od cost kinda lotta millions, and i mean, not just 5 millions
C/ i used plussed stones from NPC till +2, then use dias one to + 5 ,rubie to +6 , npc s to +7/8 dis to +10/11, rubie to +11/12, and so on, till at least +14
D/6 puries + 8 charges

and i m like, wow
and since i m not rich, barely got 100 millions, can t afford to buy dias from players, else wont have gold to buy pieces and stats from AH
i don t have a " steady income " yet, still using 30% of +120ish dex/ pa /stam/hp stat and 70 % of + 66/70 ish dex/pa/stam/hp stats

( yes, some of you WILL tell me to farm bag stats, and such, and i answer, ok need buy purie, and i can sell the so called stat for 500 k or less , 180k per dia, puri is 15 , so it s 2 700 k ? ok.... )

i ain t play for 2 months , i come to forum, to check if the game involved in a " positive " way, but from the " make the game more affordable " posts ,i guess not
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Wednesday, May 7th 2014, 8:09am

Agreed with Lesmceld. Lowering prices will reduce profits unless more players come in and spend money, which won't happen unless they do some serious advertising.
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Wednesday, May 7th 2014, 10:52pm

Well if endgame gear goes for 100M +, settle for the crafted gear 1/10th of the price and about what ? 8% off the endgame one, good compromise for me. You wanna be endgamed geared? want it all +16? T7 or T8? run it or invest your own money.

Good bag stats drop like Stam/def, Dex/Patk, Int/Matk etc go for 2M to 6M on Reni, you can make quite a bit of gold. Also don't let endgamers tell you which stats you need to use, check their gear, you will see that they have CRAFTED gear, BAG stats also on it, why? cause they sell the GOOD stats for 30M to 100M and gear for cheap. Stop getting lured by having all the best, learn to play your toon and gear as you go along and have fun.

Wanna be endgame in a weekend? well open your wallet and stop complaining or else it won't happen.

Everyone remembers Purified stones at 39 diamonds each? for what? 3 1/2 years, the price of puri's was one of the greatest move they made, would like to see more like that go down in prices ;-)

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Thursday, May 8th 2014, 3:01am

Silly zid. Puries weren't 39 dias, they were 50 dias, 25 when on sale. The "oooh, nice price reduction" sentiment lasted about couple days, then everyone went back to wanting something for nothing.
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Thursday, May 8th 2014, 9:37pm

Wow, interesting how very little has changed since I played last time, over year ago...

Nah, don't make it cheaper, that will mean less profit - make it more expensive, so that elites could be more elite... follow real world example of top 75 rich people having more money then 1/2 of the rest of population. :D Make puri 100 dias each - on sale :D

ps. they might be like teens, just tell them opposite... :D

BTW, glad to see ol' timers... and Zid and RUsty still are best couple in the game... :D

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Friday, May 9th 2014, 4:37pm

just got an idea , might help for this game to be more " affordable "
really wondering if it s a good one now, and yea, please give CONSTRUCTIVE opinions and not being an ( censored for public youger than 99 yo)

in AH and in trade window , limit the tradeable gold to 9 999 999 . ( 10 millions minus 1 gold )
player can hold 999999999999999999999999 gold.

pros : a piece of gear can hardly cost more than 9 999 999.
might reduce the ratio xdias/xgold cost?
cons : what if someone wants to sell a piece for more than this ? who will trust that the opposite player WILL give the rest of gold/item
anything that want to be sold for more, wont be done in AH
might be too late to implement this idea, shd have done it since beta, since it might backfire on players who recently bought gear at 200 mil ++ , and finally able to sell something at 200 mil ++ just after the limit of tradeable gold.

GF will never agree to reduce dias cost and such, UNLESS, no one buy dias for at least 6 months.
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Friday, May 9th 2014, 9:09pm

You have to be delusional that 10M per item would do anything to current exchange.

Basically you would buy 1 link rune 9 times for 10 mil and then your item for 10 mil....

You can't either sell something that took you 20-30 mil to make for 10 mil.

As for dias price, if no one buys dias for 1 or 2 months you would already have to look for different game...

I believe I was among first asking for more affordable game in the order to attract more customers, that got me in end into trouble, because months went by and nothing changed... what makes you believe they will change anything now...

Game just got more expensive... yet no signs of any changes...

Too bad, because this game had potential... keyword - HAD.

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Friday, May 9th 2014, 9:30pm

I will agree on the fact that this game needs to be cheaper zid yes for people like you or me with all the money no not a big deal but the average joe that cant spend $40 every weekend its bad most only buy during a sale no matter the weekend sale $40 only gets like 1k dia's if that number went up to even 3k and they raise the price to balance what makes them money and still makes people feel like buying sale or no sale that would really help the game one thing is some people play rom but prolly struggle to make money in real life they might have 4-5 hrs a day they can spend on the game and id bet a HUGE part of rom are those people that work all day if the game got more dia's for the $ GF would make more money than it does its just common sense


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Saturday, May 10th 2014, 5:49pm

Romage!!! good to hear from you ;-))

Well Aspho i get what you are saying and all, the other issue is that you have players that try to sell gear for 200M, divided it by 5 or 6 and try to get diamonds dirt cheap after, not gonna happen, why would my diamonds be worth less then their gear? never.

They say they gotta farm it for hours on end, well wanna be F2W, that is how you gotta do , farm, farm ,farm, it's only time and they do not spend money on the game at all, they do that by choice. But i will not pay 200M for a piece of gear, i will stick with crafter gear, 8% +/- lower than harmode gear, i can live with that and keep my gold, diamonds and mems for useful stuff for guildies. I prefer to sell diamonds to guildies and friends for 60K per than encouraging the viscious circle of greed.

Lowering the sale price in AH won't change a damn thing as Romage said, the price increase on removing runes from gear and weapons, that is a good way to go, put a mail fee on sending items, increase posting costs on AH for selling items, sold or not. Yes i am a crafter and yes i will suffer those costs but if it helps the game, it helps us all in the end.

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Saturday, May 10th 2014, 8:42pm

And if you want to be Pay to Win, you gotta pay pay pay. It works both ways. If you want to go straight to the best, top end gear in the game without working for it, you're going to have to pay out the arse for it. Just like someone who doesn't want to pay has to farm and work out the arse for it.

If you don't want to do that Zid, that's fine. Use the crafted gear, it's perfectly acceptable, but endgamers are no more greedy than those who want to sell dias for 200K but think that they should get the best gear in the game for 10M.
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Saturday, May 10th 2014, 10:17pm

And if you want to be Pay to Win, you gotta pay pay pay. It works both ways. If you want to go straight to the best, top end gear in the game without working for it, you're going to have to pay out the arse for it.
You said you only ever spent $20 on this game...
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Sunday, May 11th 2014, 12:20am

200k per is zids price for people he DOESNt like people he likes get 80k or less


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Sunday, May 11th 2014, 1:54am

Yeah, by working hard Ruisen. I've been playing for 4+ years. You wanna do it in a month? in a week? You gotta pay pay pay. Also I play a Priest.

And not that it really matters but the numbers probably more like 2-300 by now.
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Sunday, May 11th 2014, 5:10am

jsut to make sure
what is the best way to make the game more affordable
shoud GF do something?
or shall all the players do something ?

does it help if GF makes a npc taht sells dungeon gear or dungeon stat? for gold per example ?
at least, we wont see crazy prices for one level 85 purp, UD gear, if npc sells teh same for like, 20 mil ?
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Sunday, May 11th 2014, 5:27am

gear/gold or dias/gold alone is not an accurate way to judge a server's economy. you need both, so you can get dia/gear, which is really the biggest driving force behind the economic health. there is simply too much gold on the servers to say "hey, lets just reduce the price of everything(in gold) by 75%". some "evil endgamer" with a couple toons with maxed gold could literally wipe the server of any endgame gear for sale in a matter of minutes. heck, pushing both the price of gold and price of dias up the same proportion would actually lessen the effect of the "greedy endgamers".


ultimately, the goal is to reduce the dia/gear ratio, and thus real money/gear ratio. that can only be done by GF, as GF alone controls the cost to modify gear(this is a gear mod game). even if you get endgame gear for free, you will still have to stat, plus, drill, and tier it, which is the large bulk of the cost of gearing.


a cheaper game is a win for everybody, even GF in the long run, as cheaper game = more people willing to pay = more money in their pocket.


this game is so good, and has so much to offer, yet i still wouldn't recommend it to my best friend if he's serious about gaming.
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Sunday, May 11th 2014, 6:03am

One o the things that no hast been discussed at all is the concept that once prices be lowered, players twill be excited. Fer a week. Then they twill be back ter complainin that the game tis too expensive. Me doth agree that diamonds from Gameforge seem be too costly, an the IS seems too costly. But me tisn't seein their full financial statements to know from their end iffn it tis or not. So, rather, me must say that the game is to VALUE costly. Meanin, me liketh the game (obviously), but me no thinketh that what they done doth be offerin tis worth the cost that they be chargin. Iffn the game twas less costly, would the value go up? Or twould it jus be easier ter be endgame geared? Meanin, iffn it cost less ter fully play, would me enjoy the game more? Me answer twould be, Aye. Esp when it cometh ter plussin items. Iffn plussers twere cheaper, me no twould mind the fails. It twould lose the frustration fer me. But see, that tis me own narrowminded vision. What bout the IS overall? Tis it OVERALL too value-deficient? Except fer puri's, me twould haver ta say, "AYE." Every timer me goeth ter the recharge page fer diamonds, me looketh at how FEW diamonds me tis gettin fer me dollar, an then, calculate in me head bout how far those few diamonds twill get me, an then, me putteth me charge card away. Not enough VALUE fer the COST.

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Sunday, May 11th 2014, 1:45pm

your post is pretty much spot on lemon.

honestly, my only concern with a cheaper game is the fact that the big spenders will not simply spend less to get the same gear. they will most likely keep up their spending and cheaper IS just means insane tiering.

if I were to redesign IS, drillers and plussers would go down in price, yet I would either keep the purie price or increase it. not enough that it is stupid expensive(obviously), but such that the net cost for t6, +16, 4 slot gear is much cheaper, yet if you go clean t8, t9, it is the same as the current price, or even greater.

then again, this is my humble opinion.
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Sunday, May 11th 2014, 8:59pm

The only time i buy diamonds anymore is when it is 120% plus, below that not worth it, IS needs to be cut by 50% on the prices and you will see more people coming back and more new people joining, till then, do the best you can to help those few new players that show up on the servers and help them out the best you can ;-)

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