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even when there was still trading in the AH i refused to sell that way after a while why let my dia's go to a spammer that annoys me instead of a player.

yeah I think that anyone should be able to admit that diamonds prices have fallen since they were removed from AH. I was used to seeing dia prices of 200-250k steady when diamonds were on the AH for Artemis. Heck reference BB's post about the price of diamonds, I think the average was showing at 220k.

Now I see 160k-180k pretty consistently being shouted in world and one night a guy was selling them at 120k.

I had said it before that diamonds in the AH would NOT reduce prices. Now I couldn't forsee people manipulating the market to drive prices up (I guess I was drinking too much at the time). The main thing is that people that had lots of gold could use dias in the AH to make more gold... and they did.

I too enjoyed the ease of transferring dias to my other accounts and there may have been a better solution, but I also agree with the "you abuse it, we take it away policy" that was also applied to the dia npcs.

Well on Reni regular price is 120K per, a lot sell for 100K per and you can find them at 60K to 80K with the right people. I think the fact that people are starting to realize you do not have to have the latest/best gear in game to run stuff and spend hundreds of million. Since most that do that only regear at every level cap, without ever running the instances where the gear came from lol. How many mid and low level guild people do not have all their set-skill yet?? a lot.

Come on people, band together, make pugs and run stuff, go explore the marvelous dungeons of ROM. Tell Annelia i'll be there later for her spanking again ;-).

Use your diamonds to better yourselves first and then sell the extra if you need the gold. We can all do it.

yes the difference from crafted gear and instance gear is small and its prolly easier to make od of it that or zids very lucky and if you really want the best settle for crafted gear up and then run instances with the crafted gear on you and get that gear also zid I WANT GCH SOON! i want that robe -___-

I agree, I also I thought it's about time to start a new p2p vs f2p food fight. Shall we?

Look, Zid, it's great that _you_ are happy with lower prices. But the one selling dias won't be so happy. Have other prices (items, stats whatever) also dropped? On Saoraid my impression is that:
* dias are indeed cheaper (due to huge pressure; within guild - ridiculously cheap!)
* the prices of items and stats just seem to be growing
* so I see more and more ppl who used to be buying a lot of dias, now they are buying only as much as they need for themselves.

I really see nothing good in what is happening. It is simply more and more difficult to find a good dias source. On one hand when I offer a proper (higher) price ppl feel obliged to really strongly decline but then after a while they just stop buying extra dias. I really had situations when I lied (!) that I had just paid more to someone else and based on this I tried to pay more per dia, only to receive the "overpaid" amount back. Cool? Only that five or six weeks later this person announced she will not have extra dias anymore. I mean, really, she has _always_ had dias, this was like the most reliable source ever. Now gone. And I can't blame her - for the ridiculously low price we "have" now, I wouldn't spend my real money to get dias to get gold to get ... half of an item, thank you.

I wish she had guts to have said she whanted more per dia. Or at least accept when she was offered more...

Yes, there were people earning money on reselling dias. Which on most servers was never a problem, on less-populated servers (with less dias supply) they could "manipulate" AH prices (if you wish to call it this way). But, wait, the dias trade on AH did not block the gift-way of buying dias, did it? If prices on AH were so ridculously high, why were you not able to ask a friend for a gift for a reasonable price? If you could - what was the problem with AH exactly? And this friend could still sell part of the dias on AH for a better price. Well, why don't you ask _him_ what he thinks about not being able to do this anymore... Or is it that ppl without friends had to pay high AH prices? Well, if they don't have friends it will be more and more difficult for them to buy any dias at all. I can't see how it's better. And, by the way, druing the last +16 promo I was the whole weekend away, I came back home like half an hour before the end of promo. I can't understand why hastly looking for any dias seller at the last moment is any better than simply buying dias on AH, even if a bit more expensive. Oh, or is the problem that you didn't master the art of blacklisting goldsellers?

Quoted from "Cike"

except it was kinda perfectly legal...

Well, someone mentioned an youtube movie showing duping dias (bought from AH) in your mailbox. My feeling is that this, and not price manipulations was the reason the reason for removing dias trade from AH.

I'm pretty sure the duping was limited (I have never heard of it until way after the dias got removed from AH), and overall there is simply less dias on the market (because many have decided to buy only for themselves and f2p can to some extend survive on smaller supply - now that they have no choice but to do so). So my impression is that GF is probably overall really loosing a lot of real-money income on the fact that there is no easy way to trade dias...

be ready for a shock, since I am ALL for p2p players getting their due. But at current gear prices (at least on artemis) I think we got a good balance now. UD gear going for a fair price between 20-40 mil most of the time (with some exceptions on harder to get pieces), OD (103+) gear expect 80-120 mil, and diamonds in the 120k-180k range.

I am Mr rage on F2P players, but even the guild that I have had such a negative attitude towards... is getting better. Maybe it is the influx of new players they let in, IDK. It seems like that all the players that were giving that guild a bad name are gone, all the ones that give it a good name, are back. The new players they got are a different caliber.

I digress though. The prices are fair I think. I even sold a few dias to someone that really needed them for 100k each the other day. Which I refused to sell diamonds when they were 250k a piece (odd right?). I am actually fine with the way that the gear prices are going atm. Yes crafted/easy mode/quest gear (accessories with crit/pattk WOOHOO) did change a lot of that. The power players are really the ones that spend big on items/stats. The only thing I have an issue with is POMs POMs POMs. Too few drop from world bosses for those that can drop them ( I am not one of those), too few events, and no regular way to get a few here and there for the average player.

I have been buying diamonds pretty exclusively on sales since I see the economy getting a little better. I always have said dia sellers fleecing F2P players isn't cool, just like F2P fleecing P2P players isn't cool. I am hoping (at least on artemis) we are seeing a more level-headed way of thinking. I just hope that it continues.

I have played RoM since it was 2 weeks out of beta and each time that diamonds are removed from Auction house I loose both friends and guildies. I realize that some abused diamonds being in Auction House but to punish the whole player base because of a few is well messed up would be better for all to find a way to ban anyone abusing AH players and gold sellers alike. I love this game is why I am still around after all this time, sure I have looked for new games but I cant find one I like better. This game still has so much potential could be around for years to come making runewalker alot of money but a few things need to be done Advertising and fixing the memory leaks should be at top of list I mean If i was logging into a game I had never played before and one of the first things I saw was warning you computer has reached unhealthy memory usage I might think twice about staying. And Diamonds really need to return to AH to help keep the remaining player base here. One last thing if i could farm pet eggs and find one I thought was cool and stick it in a Advanced Aggregator along with my parrot the only pet a mage can really have to give it a whole new look without loosing my attributes and skills heck I be changing my pet skins on a regular basses aka buying alot of Advanced Aggregator's as I imagne alot of other players would do as well. heck the money Runewalker would make off Addvanced Aggregators would more than pay for a extra employee to monitor AH and remove gold sellers soon as they advertised in chats.

it is not just gold sellers.....


It is ANY player that goes "awesome someone is selling dias for only 140k, I am gonna buy em", they buy them then turn around and put them up for 180K, that is a 40k profit per diamond. As long as they watch the AH like a hawk and keep buying the cheap diamonds and reselling them, the price will go up.

I mean it is obvious dia prices have fallen since they were taken out of the AH.


Until they program something to stop this reselling/manipulation of the market (not by gold spammers mind you but by GREEDY PLAYERS), then dias should stay out of the AH. Unless you like diamonds going back up to 220k-275k a piece again. Personally it wont affect me that bad if they go back up, I just don't think it is for the good.

And before someone says diamonds were 40k at one point, that is when the hackers were flooding the market. It ISNT going to happen just cause diamonds are back in the AH... sorry.

I did say players and gold sellers not just gold sellers and as far as prices I never bought diamonds in AH i spend money and buy my own but have friends that are ftp that bought them and as always if prices are to high then no one has to buy them but the option should be there if they want to. And yes diamond prices have dropped though not by much and finding a seller is not so easy now with less people playing some days I see the same person saying in world wtb diamonds over and over again for hours with no luck and on a day when there is a good happy hour sale alot of people just get frusrated cause they missed out on sale since couldnt find a person to sell them diamonds.

while i feel srry that your friends leave when the dia's go off the ah i hope they NEVER bring it back you can still buy dia's and its cheaper idk why its such a big deal unless you were buying and reselling there is no reason for the dia's in ah to come back.

I never bought diamonds from AH and resold them I just hate to see people leave.

A way to solve this may be to 'Mark' diamonds. For example unmarked dias would be bought straight from the website, and once bought out from the ah these dias would become 'marked'. Once marked they would not be able to be sold again on the ah, meaning people would buy only what they need, and not extra in case prices rise. As for the separation of marked and unmarked dias, that should e simple by just adding another currency slot to the bag, as where it shows gold/rubies/dias, it could show gold/rubies/marked/unmarked.

However this would only solve re-sale of dias and not actually the root cause of the problem, being dias sold to gold spammers.

I had thought about what may happen if they simply added a 'max price' that a dias could be sold for. But again, this would not solve the issue as everyone would immediately sell for max, and if the max is too low for people, they would simply rather gift dias. Not too mention with dias at a nonadjustable price, when inflation hits a server the max on any given server would need to change as well, to reflect such inflation of gold.

I feel my gold is worthless without being able to buy diamonds.

If people buy dias off website they should be able to:

Freely put on AH
Freely gift to anyone.

If people buy dias off AH they should be able to:

Freely gift to anyone.

As Rougetopriest says, kind of like marking them

The person who buys with cash should be able to sell for gold. The person who buys from AH shouldn't be able to resell on the AH for more.

Diamonds may be cheaper now that they are not in the AH. When and if you can find them. Every day I see endless posts from people trying to get diamonds to buy stuff and they are never answered. It is the old story of two gas stations one one side of the street there is a gas station with a sign that reads gas 3.00 a gallon and on the other side of the street is another station with a sign 4.00 a gallon. A driver goes into the gas station that is selling gas at 4.00 a gallon and asks for a fill up. He asks the owner why he is selling gas at 4.00 a gallon while the station across the street is selling it at 3.00 a gallon. The owner asks why the driver just didn't go across the street to buy the gas. The drives says they are out of gas. The owner then says when I am out of gas I sell it at 2.00 a gallon. The low price is an illusion for diamonds that can't be bought.
The people are leaving the game not because of the price of diamonds but the fact they now they can't get them at any price. It took me 3 months to buy a permanent mount and my offers went up to 100 million gold in chat for a cheap one and I still couldn't get it. Eventually some one helped me out and I was able to buy one for 21 million they refused to take more, That person was fair and generous and I am greatly in their debt. But I was close to deleting that character because it takes all the enjoyment out of the game to be unable to get diamonds at any price when you need them.
The idea of tagging or marking diamonds to prevent resale is fine. It may be easier just to make diamonds bought from the AH bound.
The problem is that there are fewer people on the servers now that diamonds have been taken out of the AH. It was just a way to get people to leave the game so they can close it.

Wait.

Maybe there were indeed some who got scared away by high dias prices on AH - I suppose it's mostly about f2p players. If they left back then, I didn't see them swarming back after dias got removed from AH - esp. that the current system is incredibly inconvenient. But, frankly, I also did see more people complaining back than actually leaving - all prices rose, my impression is you had to pay more per dia but you had a way to earn the money on other things on AH.

But there are also those who left exactly because dias were removed from AH. This goes for p2p players (who also sometimes did not really leave the game, but simply switched to pay-for-myself model) as well as f2p players (little use of lower prices if you cannot reliably plan ahead - you do have to find a dias seller exactly during IS promo, for example; for many f2p players who lack a good dias selling friend IS promos could as well be limited to 4 hours on Saturday afternoon plus 4 hours on Sunday instead of full Friday-to-Monday weekend... And I guess you would agree that there is less dias on the market altogether?).



OP Katreanna, or wolfbabe from another recent thread are regular cases, not exceptions. I can't imagine you cannot see this in game. I wonder how you convince ppl like this - I don't have an impression that the above stream of posts saying how life is perfect and beautiful without AH has convinced Katreanna...

I mean, Dkjester, you are mainly simply buying dias for yourself, right? I can imagine RoM as a game _only_ for people with this attitude - that's where we are slowly getting to, I'm afraid. But frankly - you are then little affected by high or low dias prices. And I would really like to see the old mixture of pay-for-yourself, but also pay-to-sell and f2p players buying dias in-game => and these last two groups seem simply to be smaller and smaller... If you don't care about having more people around you should at least care about the income GF looses (and RoM altogether becoming less and less relevant...) imho.

Just my opinion ofc, but: I don't care if it's AH or some other system, but there should be a way to:
* trade dias safely;
* to be able to do this when the other party is offline (thus be able to create something very close to an AH auction);
* to be able to see and browse such offers (or else there is no market information);
If I were to decide I'd fix whatever the duping glitch was there and simply put dias back on AH. I care a bit less whether you can resell - personally, I would not block reselling, but - OK, fine, whatever.

Reintroducing some form of trade means GF selling more dias. Some people coming back or playing more actively. P2p being able to sell for reasonable market price. F2P getting reliable source of dias. And still - with the gift system in place, you can always use it as a backup if you want to.

Quoted from "Katreanna"

Uh oh what did I start?!?! lol

Can't speak for Zid/Dkjester but for me it's not just my favourite trolling subject - I simply do find this issue important. And it's a good question, by the way - when GF removed dias from AH they claimed they were working on an alternative solution. I do wonder how well this work is going and if we should still be expecting dias trade being reintroduced in some form any time soon...

I agree with what aardvark3 and OP say.

Please, please, please enable dias trading again. Some people who switched to just buying dias for themselves might decide to spend their real money to get dias for sell if they could sell conveniently. F2p players would get better dias supply. It would really revive the game to see a reasonable perspective to develop your toon (for p2p by getting easier reasonable gold for their dias, for f2p by having the very much needed dia supply). Heck, even some ppl who left because of dias being removed from AH might come back.

I would not expect a miracle, but still - enabling dias trading would be a huge leap in right direction, imho.

(I personally would make the dias trading as free as it goes, but whatever. If we could only get it under a condition that reselling was blocked [by e.g. making the second-hand dias bound] - fine, it sounds worse than fully free market imho, but would still be 10k times better than what we have now...)

Diamonds may or may not be cheaper. That doesn't change the fact that people are leaving the game because they can't get diamonds.IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT DIAMONDS COST WHEN THERE IS NOWHERE TO BUY THEM. Everyone has seen many chats posted by people who want to buy diamonds for a sale or any other reason. The posts continue from the same people for days and weeks because they can't buy the diamonds at any price. Then they get fed up and leave the game.
Bind diamonds bought in the AH so they can't be resold. But at least make they available again for everyone.

Im glad that diamond prices have dropped down to 160k-ish from the 250k+ they were while up on the AH. I just like the convenience of the AH. But oh well, at least they are affordable.

I like BBs idea. We know they can do that, since diamonds bought with Zeevex used to be giftable and cc not.


so that is a great idea.