Runes of Magic US / AU

Well Uure, you know where i stand on F2P VS P2P VS F2W etc. People can do perfectly fine with crafted gear, heck look on Reni, 90% of endgamers are wearing my crafted gear and of other crafters loll, pants/belts and gloves and even 1 piece of normal Grotto to complete the set bonus. Buying gear at 100M to 200M is just retarded no matter how you look at it. My guildies get all the free crafted gear they need for their toons. We are still learning the strat for TOSH, we run GCH in around 15 to 20 minutes complete runs now, Beth Hardmode is fast too, next will be Belathis. But we do not burn the bosses, we just don'T kill them in 15 seconds, but we do it. ya most of us are not top of the line geared, not the best stats, lack TP, but we have fun.

What is the use to have the latest shinny gear T8 and T9 and standing looking pretty in Varanas Central? so the F2P can laugh at you and say : this moron spend 2 billion gold for the pieces i sold him? but he can't run GCH or SC and higher , loll hell no. Luckily some endgamers do not gouge out both your eyes for gear.

I think the game is becoming more balanced, especially on Reni, lots of old players returning, we get regular new players popping in game and staying. Ya F2P always cry for WTB, but those who treat people like crap tends to find it harder to get them, which is fine by me, throwing tantrums at people never works out in the end. People remember who you are and what you did and some will just reminds the others when they start forgetting. Luckily we have more good people on Reni than those few special ones.

I am sorry for you DK that gear and diamonds are so expensive on your server, hope you can try to regulate the situation. Also remember DK when those same F2P said lower diamonds prices will mean lower gear prices LMAO, funny diamonds went down to 1/3 of the prices of AH and gear as went up 100% LOL. ya my point is made.

Uure i do not hate all F2P/F2W just the one that think gouging your eyes, ripping an arm and a leg for a piece of gear is ok. When people work together you can accomplish a lot more, when you go against the people that have the diamonds you need, well not so good to be that person. People can make do without top end gear,, but they can'T make it without diamonds , especially endgamers.

I remember diamonds being bound ( the ones FA gave us ) We could not put them in AH only get things from CS with them or house energy .
I had 2 stacks of diamonds back then

DIAS can be 'locked', meaning you could only use them if you buy something from IS.

If they are locked, you can't sell them in AH.

Dias that you buy through web page can be set to be unlock by default.

This functionality is already implemented in game, just not sure if GF is aware of it, or know how to use it.

Brings back memories when 'ThePit' has said that he runs game without instructions/guides.

Quoted from "RoMage"

Brings back memories when 'ThePit' has said that he runs game without instructions/guides.

FYI - He said that not because he chooses to run the game without instructions, but because it's been stated multiple times that Frogster did not leave much of ANY documentation about this game's backend for Gameforge when Frogster got taken over. Frogster was basically thrown to the curb, and like a 2 year old, they said "well, you'll take this away, then we won't tell you what you're doing har har jokes on you nah nah nah nah". So if anything, I'd blame 90% of Gameforge's issues on the lack of documentation and therefore Frogster.

And getting information from Runewaker? Good luck with that. It's like getting bricks from an ATM machine, just doesn't work.

To solve the topic at hand: Seems lots of the gold sellers are getting information from accounts that are many years old. Would be nice for Gameforge to just block the login of every single player that has not logged in for over a year. If that blocks some legit players that have been away (military, families, etc), then have them contact support, answer a couple of verification questions and bam, they're into their account again.

OR, from what I understand, many many gold sellers come out of China. Start IP blocking.

I think a simple solution to the dia availability issue would be to lock diamond purchases from the AH.

When you buy dias, they're unlocked... gift 'em or sell them in the AH.

When purchased from the AH, they become locked to the account.

Honestly, I doubt anyone would have a problem with that.

As GM's have stated in the past, all GF cares about is the purchase of diamonds from them. Whatever we do with them in-game is moot because someone has already paid for those diamonds. At least, that's the response whenever the Item Shoppe prices and sales come up. ;)

This is a random idea, but what if gameforge did a staggered time frame. So they enable the buy/sell diamond feature in the auction house week 1 and 3 of the month and disabled it week 2 and 4. This would prevent goldseller bots from auto buying/shouting half the month and quite frankly they may not spam at all because it would be a hassle to deal with.

Quoted from "RoMage"

Dias that you buy through web page can be set to be unlock by default.

This functionality is already implemented in game, just not sure if GF is aware of it, or know how to use it.

Yes, but *IF* the duping of dias in the mailbox was the main problem why GF has shut down AH dias trade then RW would need to address this issue first...

But then again - who knows what GF thinks... About some issues they just don't give any comments at all. Imho it's very clear that they know how important dias trading is for the game and their income, and that's why they already in the first announcement Beren said

Quoted from "Beren"

We are already working on alternative method to enable you to trade diamonds again.

Might be that we'll get this alternative now together with the next content update and the whole discussion is void?

Quoted from "vfwiffo"

Gold spammers surely won't have a problem with that.

Frankly - I don't care. The spam at the world channel is a minor annoyance, the influence on economy does nothing that "greedy players" could not do, and anyway if reselling is blocked - it would be a pity (imho), but it would block the easy gold earning on AH and thus solve your doubts, right?

Quoted from "aardvark3"

Diamonds may or may not be cheaper. That doesn't change the fact that people are leaving the game because they can't get diamonds.IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT DIAMONDS COST WHEN THERE IS NOWHERE TO BUY THEM.

Umm I was never informed that Gameforge stopped selling diamonds. So there has always been a place to buy diamonds. Not really getting your point out very clearly.

And lucky for you Gamefoge has only restructured the price of diamonds once since Ch. 2 if I am remembering correctly.

You mean you think you are entitled to other peoples Diamonds ( the peeps that pay for them, the game, your fun? )

Quoted from "kakita01"

Quoted from "aardvark3"

Diamonds may or may not be cheaper. That doesn't change the fact that people are leaving the game because they can't get diamonds.IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT DIAMONDS COST WHEN THERE IS NOWHERE TO BUY THEM.

Umm I was never informed that Gameforge stopped selling diamonds. So there has always been a place to buy diamonds. Not really getting your point out very clearly.

And lucky for you Gamefoge has only restructured the price of diamonds once since Ch. 2 if I am remembering correctly.

You mean you think you are entitled to other peoples Diamonds ( the peeps that pay for them, the game, your fun? )

Obviously someone is has forgotten the game's Free to Play option. Gameforge is still selling diamonds, but as this thread was about buying diamonds in the Auction House. What in the world does the fact that Gameforge is still selling diamonds have to do with selling diamonds in the Auction House?
The point is that without diamonds being sold in the Auction House they are no longer available to the Free to Play players and Pay to Play players changing gold to diamonds except through risky player to player transactions that are quite often scams. Even that being said it is currently very difficult on many servers even those are unavailable no one is willing to sell diamonds at any price. No one is willing to engage in trading diamonds for gold or gold for diamonds. That is why it doesn't matter that the price of diamonds has gone down, the ability to trade them safely and openly has been broken. Who cares what the price is when no one is selling or buying?

Well Advaark, if you do still play on Reni you should know the trusted buyers as of now. There is 1 player we know of that is scamming people and never sending the gold and he has been called out on it. The rest are usually pretty nice about selling their diamonds. Very easy to do honest transactions with honest long time players without any issues.

The only thing that diamonds out of AH has done is prevent players from buying at 80K per and reposting at 300K per, to gold spammers or gouging other players. The only issue here i see is that they got their lazy way to make gold taken away from them. Now they are starting to run out of gold since players play the game smarter and won'T buy gear for 100M a piece anymore. Patience and hard work make for a cheap way to play, i sell diamonds to those i know and respect and keep the rest for me.

I havent heard of anyone getting scammed for diamonds except for that particular player i spoke about. And Reni is pretty vocal about that sort of things and you can always write a ticket to support.

Just because your free to play doesnt mean you cant buy dia's
I've sold dia's through the gift function for a while on reni trust isnt an issue very much.
if its someone ive sold to before i just send and tell them the price if its someone i dont trust i make them pay me first or if its someone i think may not pay me i normally send like half of what they want and then they send half the gold then i send the rest. on reni the dia sellers are generally trusted and well known people know who may and may not have dia's to sell from so they are still avaliable to free to play players so speak for your own server cuz you just insulted me saying im not trustworthy.
So maybe ask for people opinions on who a trustworthy seller is might be a solution.

Quoted from "zidlef"

And Reni is pretty vocal about that sort of things and you can always write a ticket to support.

Just a heads up here.. GM's have posted many times that trading diamonds via gifting is at your own risk. I do not believe support will help you in this case. Unless there has been an undocumented change in policy.

how about just a cap. cant sell diamonds for more than 100k per in AH. outside of ah well your call.
Seems simple enough.

Quoted from "aardvark3"

Obviously someone is has forgotten the game's Free to Play option. Gameforge is still selling diamonds, but as this thread was about buying diamonds in the Auction House. What in the world does the fact that Gameforge is still selling diamonds have to do with selling diamonds in the Auction House?
The point is that without diamonds being sold in the Auction House they are no longer available to the Free to Play players, ...

I think I need to comment on this..

This game IS free to play. Not one Gameforge employee or Runewaker employee is forcing you to + your gear to 16. They are not making you use the item shop to drill your gear. You do not need diamonds for these items. You can get plussers from an npc in several different areas, you can get drillers and puris from the token area of the IS. If you need items from the item shop so desperately that you world or trade shout for them for days, open your wallet. Don't blame GF or RW for people leaving because diamonds are no longer available in AH. People leave the game for a variety of reasons, ie, something new and pretty comes along, etc.

Diamonds are available, you just have to get them from trusted people in game when they have them or directly from GF itself. They even made it easier by adding a button next to the mini map.

On Reni I have no problem buying diamonds for gold. I am in an excellent guild with very many high quality people who are always willing to help. I however do not like to impose on them, and would rather go the the AH. However a couple of months ago I started to play a character I had set up on Govinda years ago and had only taken to level 20. It took over 2 months to find someone to purchase diamonds from so I could finally get a permanent mount, Getting from level 20 to 60 without a permanent mount is a pain. I put requests into chat daily for that whole time and watched other people do the same. When I stopped posting that I wanted to buy diamonds several of the other people who posted daily there trying to get some asked me if I had found someone who was selling diamonds. They were desperate. I had asked them if they had any success from day one but the answer was always the same no. A couple quit the game over the fact they couldn't get diamonds at any price.
The reason that taking the diamonds out of the auction house is such a problem is that unless you are willing to impose on the same people constantly ( making a pest of yourself) you miss many sales. While they were in the AH I had built up a store of about 1000 diamonds through auction house purchases and managed to make them last but will soon have to start buying them again, You could always find some diamonds in the AH without imposing on your friends. You may have had to overpay for them but it was far better than having to impose on the people you play with.

When people put diamonds in the AH it is because they wanted to sell them. That is a world of difference then having to ask someone to do you a favor.

Quoted from "FarmerTom"

how about just a cap. cant sell diamonds for more than 100k per in AH. outside of ah well your call.
Seems simple enough.

That cap seems fair today on your server, but what about in a month. Rom has an economy that fluctuates. A cap will become outdated and we would have to rely on Gameforge to adjust that cap frequently. Raise of hands, Who thinks that will get done...... Anyone? Also gold-spammers will be able to buy at 100k flooding the market with gold making the 100k cap useless which makes trading via the AH useless and everyone goes back to gifting...

LANDING US................... Right where we are now. I predict the future of a cap not working. Tada!

oh yes bring back diamonds to please the minority, so we can have gold spammers come back and annoy us. Let's bring the dupers of diamonds also, that surely helps the community and then those wonderful people buying low and selling high, ya we really need to do that to really kill the gme, great job. Buy from friends, get a job and buy your own diamonds, it's pretty simple.

I was one that bugged Dionnea to get diamonds back in AH, if i would have known all the crap it would have put us through, i would never have asked them to do it.

I am going to temporarily close this thread while it is being merged with the other thread on the same subject. No fret, it will be back open soon and I'll remove this post.

Thank you.

Hello all,

This thread has been reopened and most of the posts from here have been transferred over to this thread as they were relating to the suggestion "Put diamonds back on the auction house". Unfortunately the thread OP is now vfwiffo instead of wolfbabe, a merge fail on my part and I apologize. I have indicated that in the first post.

Before you ask: No, I apologize, but I do not have any information on when diamonds will become available via the Auction House again.

Additionally, to comment on something that was posted by Mrpushpop:

Quoted

Just a heads up here.. GM's have posted many times that trading diamonds
via gifting is at your own risk. I do not believe support will help you
in this case. Unless there has been an undocumented change in policy.

You are correct. Gifting items with diamonds is at your own risk. In ALMOST ALL (99.99999999999%) cases, support will not be able to assist you (there are maybe ONE or TWO exceptions to this, possibly (but probably not).

This thread has been re-opened. Thank you for your patience and carry on with civil discussions

Thank you.

Quoted from "vfwiffo"

One of the thing that dias on AH caused is constant worldchat gold spamming.

Around 2 weeks ago, we started getting world chat spams from goldsellers on Govinda. So they took away one method, but goldsellers simply find a workaround to the problem.