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Friday, June 13th 2014, 11:57am

I feel my gold is worthless without being able to buy diamonds.

Was thinking this today.


When I left over a year ago I had all of my bank pages unlocked and 70+ house slots open, majority with house chests. Now I can't access the items I see in my all but one of my bank pages. At least I can see those though because I don't even know what in my house chests I can't access at this point.
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Friday, June 13th 2014, 4:06pm

Well Mr.Banana, you can use rubies to unlock your backpack and bank page, or have people gift you the items for it. For the house energy tho, they should give you the option in IS to buy energy or get it gifted to you.

As per the 100K cap for diamonds LMAO, of so i want a 99M gold cap on all items. Works for one , works for the other too.

For those that say their gold is useless, well HA!!!!! maybe if you would have been more helpful and nice to others you wouldn'T have a hard time finding a diamond seller. Gotta look at yourself and your previous actions on your server. Not everyone has the attention span of a dodo, when you reach the older years of your life, you tend not to take kindly the moronic/insulting/bullying ways of certain individuals on the servers. Then it might give you an idea why you can't find diamonds. A lot of people do buy diamonds on all servers, it is their choice not to voice they have them, wanna sell them and why would they? to be mocked in world or trade chats etc? Mostly once they get what they want from your diamonds, you stop existing and are not worth their time.

As i always say, treat people fairly and they will pay it back one day, treat them like crap, well good luck with that. We are not all junkies on energy drinks or other substance too many times mentionned in world chat.

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Friday, June 13th 2014, 4:37pm

For your info zid my attention span is that of a gnat not a dodo. I really think they should just put the dia npc back but make the lvl you need to be to buy dia's at the level cap at the time also make the dia's ungiftable and maybe make it like only 30dia's once a week maybe twice its a decent amount so people could get house space or bag space and can't exploit it easy.


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Friday, June 13th 2014, 6:45pm

yep put NPC diamond back, 300K to 400K per diamonds and make them non tradable at all, max of 30 per account per day. Then you could get another 15 more per day per account for 500K per.


Nice gold sink, no AH manipulation etc, yep i like this.

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Friday, June 13th 2014, 7:07pm

I'm for diamonds back in AH, bound as suggested upon being bought. Heck, wouldn't bother me if you made it impossible to buy megaphones with such diamonds/currency. No cap unless you are willing to cap all AH sales.

As for only people who want this being people who want to manipulate the AH, that is simply a non-factual statement. As for only the minority want this, I haven't seen the poll of players on this, nor do I count the voices in my own head as meaning the majority want or do not want this.

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Friday, June 13th 2014, 7:35pm

move megas to ruby/ptoken shop exclusive. no more spam. put dias back in AH. problem solved.
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Friday, June 13th 2014, 8:17pm

Cike, not bad, not bad at all. Never occurred to me but that would totally work.

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Friday, June 13th 2014, 8:22pm

Cike too good and obvious a solution, they would never implement it . It would solve problems without creating new ones, that is beyond their ken.

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Friday, June 13th 2014, 8:43pm


Brings back memories when 'ThePit' has said that he runs game without instructions/guides.


FYI - He said that not because he chooses to run the game without instructions, but because it's been stated multiple times that Frogster did not leave much of ANY documentation about this game's backend for Gameforge when Frogster got taken over. Frogster was basically thrown to the curb, and like a 2 year old, they said "well, you'll take this away, then we won't tell you what you're doing har har jokes on you nah nah nah nah". So if anything, I'd blame 90% of Gameforge's issues on the lack of documentation and therefore Frogster.

Just a blame game and unwise move once they took over Froggster... There is a thing or two on how you threat your employees, but let's not go there... We all were here, some of us had friends in mods and GMs at the time...



And getting information from Runewaker? Good luck with that. It's like getting bricks from an ATM machine, just doesn't work.

This is BS we were told many times, yet other servers and some of them were linked from front page appeared not to have the same problem?! Even folks at Rom-Welten were able to extract data and learn how to read it about game... and form sort of documentation?! RW is not monster and does care about game... if not, you would not get updates every season/festival...



@ Rustyx - how is different gold sellers ability to buy anything from AH they like? I remember reading somewhere on net that their automated client could make X millions per hour and their client was stripped client (almost nothing except needed stuff). That is main reason GF wanted to ensure everyone has all files untouched - because with stripped client - one hacker on one machine could easily run 30-40 clients at the same time?! I am sure they had more then once computer... so just try to imagine what kind of gold they had... and as I said - how different is if they can get all best gear from AH while in process creating huge surplus of gold? Without good gold sink - economy can't get better... and gear gets too expensive, especially to fair players.

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Friday, June 13th 2014, 9:26pm

Aren't players making the add-ons? aren't able to get access to some of the client data? maybe they should look upon people making the add-ons, check their IP adresses, check if their clients are intact. Maybe the culprit of many things that happened and will happen again is not that far.

If no one had access to play around with the client at all, less issues would have occured. Frogster for me was just a bunch of spoiled bratz partying all day and giving to all their friends. Look when Gameforge took over, they never gave the documentation to Gameforge, because if i lose my job you ain't getting it, spoiled bratz. It takes maturity, professionalism to run any type of business and Frogster never had it. Ya Gameforge is not perfect but heck a lot more than Frogster.


I for one would go over all the accounts to see and check anyone that has more than 10K diamonds on them and verify the source of them. Ya time consuming, but since support doesn't have that many tickets to take care of now ;-). get an intern to do it and prove his/her worth.

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Friday, June 13th 2014, 9:51pm

@ Rustyx - how is different gold sellers ability to buy anything from AH they like? I remember reading somewhere on net that their automated client could make X millions per hour and their client was stripped client (almost nothing except needed stuff). That is main reason GF wanted to ensure everyone has all files untouched - because with stripped client - one hacker on one machine could easily run 30-40 clients at the same time?! I am sure they had more then once computer... so just try to imagine what kind of gold they had... and as I said - how different is if they can get all best gear from AH while in process creating huge surplus of gold? Without good gold sink - economy can't get better... and gear gets too expensive, especially to fair players.


I am not sure what this is in reply to, but this seems to have nothing to do with diamonds on AH.

Whatever methods they have for generating gold doesn't affect economy till gold enters into circulation; and since they are not players, they have no use for items on AH. Yes, they can destroy the economy and drive people away; but there is no profit in it. Any parasite that overwhelms host will find itself without means of support.

Cike proposal is interesting, but ultimately runs into same issue. Rubies come from diamond use. Ability to obtain diamonds --> Ability to obtain rubies --> ability to obtain megas. Unless it is token-only shop.
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Friday, June 13th 2014, 10:07pm


I am not sure what this is in reply to, but this seems to have nothing to do with diamonds on AH.


It was response to this post...


Gold spammers surely won't have a problem with that.





Whatever methods they have for generating gold doesn't affect economy till gold enters into circulation; and since they are not players, they have no use for items on AH. Yes, they can destroy the economy and drive people away; but there is no profit in it. Any parasite that overwhelms host will find itself without means of support.

I doubt that gold sellers are only one hacking, but as you said - that is not really topic here...


Cike proposal is interesting, but ultimately runs into same issue. Rubies come from diamond use. Ability to obtain diamonds --> Ability to obtain rubies --> ability to obtain megas. Unless it is token-only shop.

I agree with you on issues...

@ Zidlef - are you using this topic to object to people using addons to make this game somewhat playable? Really? :doofy: :lol:

And shouldn't all end-gamers have multiple thousands of DIAS by now? :stick:

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Friday, June 13th 2014, 10:25pm

Cike proposal is interesting, but ultimately runs into same issue. Rubies come from diamond use. Ability to obtain diamonds --> Ability to obtain rubies --> ability to obtain megas. Unless it is token-only shop.

totally agree. i was having the same thoughts as i posted...ptoken shop only would work fine in my opinion, as most legit players shouldn't actually need to buy megas with all the free ones we get, unless they spam them like no tomorrow.

i thought that the extra "buy dias to spend dias to buy rubies" would be a bit inconvenient for gold spammers...
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Friday, June 13th 2014, 10:30pm

Cike proposal is interesting, but ultimately runs into same issue. Rubies come from diamond use. Ability to obtain diamonds --> Ability to obtain rubies --> ability to obtain megas. Unless it is token-only shop.


Are goldspammers going to go through that trouble? Seems like a waste of money to buy diamonds to get rubies to just get megas.

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Sunday, June 15th 2014, 4:48pm

If they go onto the ptoken shop you give spammers the easiest method to world spam yet.

Think about how easy it is to do a handful of dailies...

And it won't even cost them any gold unlike buying dias from ah.
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Sunday, June 15th 2014, 5:23pm

The way to do it is to make the first purchase of megas with ptokens cost at least 1000 ptokens. Doing 10 days of dailies or having to buy at least 9 reset tickets would make far to expensive in diamonds or time for spammers to use megas at all. But at the same time for regular players you could collect enough ptokens in a couple of weeks so it wouldn't be much of a inconvenience at all

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Sunday, June 15th 2014, 7:21pm

I think that no gold spammer will sit there to do 10 days worth of dailies for 25 megaphones. They will use those up in ... what? ... a day? So if they are 1k tokes (I think a good price), they would need to run dailies EVERY day on 10 characters to afford to world chats consistently. Most of the low level dailies cant be done in parties, so that means they got to do 10 sets of dailies a day, or buy resets and THEN do the daillies. It will be more work than gold spammers will be willing to do. Not to mention, if a character is flagged as a gold spammer, and banned it will take them a longer time to get back up and running. Most of the quick daillies require some leveling, buying/using diamonds doesn't.


It is a better measure than the current system. I have to +1 on it.

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Monday, June 16th 2014, 3:23pm

Just make megas possible to use on level cap characters. Easy to solve... if gold spammer wants to to world shouts, have him level character to level cap to use megas. Lot's work, and support can with easy eliminate those characters as they get there...

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Monday, June 16th 2014, 4:14pm

Having it be level cap is a little much though. They could just do like 50/50 or something or just 50. Takes a decent amount of time to get there without paying for powerleveling.

I think level cap is too much.. cause returning players who quit at cap couldn't come back and ask in world about recent changes.

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Monday, June 16th 2014, 5:52pm

I feel the need to post my thoughts on this
I have felt the pinch lately of lack of dias in AH

yes it is true that without dias in AH goldspammers have been MuchMuch less in ws, were before they'd be in WS about a hour ofter a GM had kicked them, and could run 3hours or more if a GM wasnt around, and yes Lately we have seen abit of them Back in ws, from hacked accounts (lv60/60 toons) doing a ws...

instances I have been tempted to buy dias in AH if they'd been available... the boca pet, new costumes, pet breeding tickets, I am in need of abls and the puris that go with them, as it is I and the person I'm trading with for gears will be left to the mercy of another for considerable gold (an abl could be 14m)

I am not sad that there are less/fewer goldspammers in WS
I am sad I cannot purchase items using dias bought in a safe reliable fashion

would I say yes to dias in AH if it ment allowing goldspammers back in ws... I do Not know, but right now, I'm leaning to yes, cause there's been to many items in itemshop I have wanted :)
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