Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "Dkjester"

Having it be level cap is a little much though. They could just do like 50/50 or something or just 50. Takes a decent amount of time to get there without paying for powerleveling.

I think level cap is too much.. cause returning players who quit at cap couldn't come back and ask in world about recent changes.

Because of power leveling, you have to go above L50.

Quoted from "RoMage"

Quoted from "Dkjester"

Having it be level cap is a little much though. They could just do like 50/50 or something or just 50. Takes a decent amount of time to get there without paying for powerleveling.

I think level cap is too much.. cause returning players who quit at cap couldn't come back and ask in world about recent changes.

Because of power leveling, you have to go above L50.

Most of the world chat gold spammers aren't level 1 toons they just made. They're all lv 40-60 toons that haven't been active in years. They're using old player accounts for this that already have megas in them.

yeah but the problem becomes how do you put a rule/limitation/etc in that stops that behavior.... while not alienating new/returning players?


There is where the problem comes. Never will you find a 100% effective solution.


The P token ones would be the most effective without isolating players.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

yeah but the problem becomes how do you put a rule/limitation/etc in that stops that behavior.... while not alienating new/returning players?


There is where the problem comes. Never will you find a 100% effective solution.


The P token ones would be the most effective without isolating players.

They'll just keep hacking ancient accounts that have megas like they do now. It won't remove the megas from those accounts.

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

They'll just keep hacking ancient accounts that have megas like they do now. It won't remove the megas from those accounts.

How about this: if an account was inactive for more than half a year, then /y should be simply blocked. But the user would get an email with a confirmation link: clicking on it would confirm that it's her indeed, and would re-enable her right to world-shouting.

By the way, if breaking into inactive accounts is still such a problem, why a similar check (email with an unique link) is not done for logging in? If an account is inactive for e.g. half a year, first logging in could just show a message "Account blocked due to long inactivity period, please click on the link in your email to unblock."? It's just a one-time tiny annoyence, if done automatically based on a unique link would mean no extra work for support, and - would completely solve the breaking-in problem once for all, wouldn't it? (And if anyone has lost an access to her email account, she can still contact the support and get the account back.)



Just to make it clear: there were two ideas mentioned above:
1. make second-hand dias (i.e. dias bought off AH) bound/marked/not-resellable;
2. limit who can world-shout;
In other threads (e.g. this one) there was discussion about limiting who could use dias AH trade, which would be yet another idea (and - the same rules could actually be used for /y ! ). Anyway, we don't need both (or all three), either one of these two would suffice, right?GF/RW could ofc go for both, but it's double work, and both changes besides the goldsellers would limit also "normal" players so if we can avoid one of the two I'd rather not have both if it was my choice. Imho, restricting world-shouts is less harmful to real players of the two. Just my opinion, but if there was a solution for /y I would really rather _not_ have the dias bought from AH bound.



Having said that, any trade with as strict restrictions as you wish would be better than the no-trade situation we have now... So, sure, go for both bound second-hand dias (or limiting who can trade) and restricting the shouts if that's the only way to give us any dias trade back...

But ... we still didn't hear from GF what *they* see as the key problem blocking re-enabling dias trade. If, for example, the only thing they cared about was dias duping then a big part of the above discussion may be quite irrelevant from GF's point of view, I'm afraid...

I would say make a more safe function than that without the ah an npc that funnels the dia's and with no risk to either getting gyped and without the AH deduction and it still gives the seller rubies with a function to sell rubies as well if i sell dia's i want rubies to sell 2.

We don't hear form GF or RW because they have never spoken to us on the forums. Occasionally we hear from GMs but they have no insights into what GF and RW are thinking or planning or are not allowed to reveal it to us. It appears for all the problems that have been brought up on the forums (class problems, class unbalances, diamonds , sales, crashing etc ) there is no feedback at all from GF or RW because they do not consider them problems. What is bothering players does not seem to bother them at all and they appear to be perfectly happy with the way things are going. They have never stated otherwise or do so, so infrequently in such general terms as to be meaningless.

A diamond NPC which only sells diamonds sold to it by other players is something I thought of too, but it's limiting to the sellers because it would be a fixed price. I'm not sure if Asph is asking for rubies from simply selling diamonds or for an option to sell rubies gotten from purchases. The first I wouldn't agree with, but the second is an option that should be available.

AH bound diamonds, non-giftable, is not an option, though, that should bother either sellers or buyers. It's safer, convenient, and time saving. And the bound, non-giftable makes it clear that no one will take a seller's diamonds and then turn them around for a profit which many sellers found to be annoying, and actually prevented some from selling their diamonds in the AH. This also does not stop those who want complete control of who gets their diamonds from selling them through the gifting route.

As for the gold spammers, it does not seem that difficult to simply prevent bound diamonds from buying megaphones, normal price or on sale, or if in a package. I don't think that is a significant limiter on those buyers who want the convenience of purchasing diamonds from the AH.

As for the mail duping thing, I don't know if this is a fact or not, but there seems to be an easy solution. Diamonds bought would go directly to the player's bound diamond total, never appearing in the mail. As for sellers, a lot less likely to be such people, if their diamonds do not sell, instead of going to the mail, it could simply add the diamonds back to their non-bound diamond total in their account.

I don't believe that these things seem to be that hard to implement, but all in all, it's just my opinion on what they could do.

As for hacked accounts, that's actually a separate issue from reimplementation in a changed form of diamond AH trade.

Quoted from "Asphodelix"

and it still gives the seller rubies

When dias were on AH, a part of why the price was higher was that you were buying in fact both dias and associated rubies that you'd get once you'd spend the dias. So whether there is an "alternative way of trading dias", or dias come back to AH - once you buy dias you'll get your rubies as well. There is no problem here, right?

Quoted from "Asphodelix"

npc [...] without the AH deduction

There was no AH comission on dias trade.

You need to be able to to trade while one of the parties is offline. You need access to the prices from the transactions of other ppl (otherwise there would be no market info really).

So if you think about an "alternative interface", it would look _realy_ close to how AH looks like... I'm not sure why you would like to reinvent something that works.

Uure i agree that after 6 months of inactivity accounts should be put on disable list and people would have to file a support ticket to get them re-activated, that would be the solution for that.

As i said put diamond NPC back and charge from 300 to 500K per diamond bought, good gold sink for the economy. Also as to gold spammers are really annoying, well who would be stupid enough to do it. Would you risk your 3 year plus account for gold buying?? i would not, there are so many ways to make gold in game legally. Ya requires work, perseverance and effort, but heck it's free and legal. Wanna chance getting your account getting banned for gold buying, good luck to you.

Some people might think that : no one will know blablabla, well the issue is that someday, somewhere you will let it slip out, mention it to TRUSTED guildies. And the day they are mad at you, leave your guild etc they will backstab you and rat on you. People tend to be very bitter when they get kicked from a guild, even if it was by their own demise, why? frustration, revenge, can't accept their own mistakes etc. We have seen many guildies over the years get kicked, booted and all, variety of reasons as to why. Cheaters, exploiters, liars, spies, whinners, cry babies, wanted us to give them full set of gear without having to do anything, taking stuff from guild bank and selling it on AH, etc. We have all encountered this but always the same thing happens in the end, they call out your guild in world chat, tries to spread lies, gossip, cause drama. They should be looking at themselves and what they did wrong first, but it is much easier to blame others for it.

All in all i do miss the diamond NPC, diamonds in AH not so much. As many as said that F2P is a lot of farming, well at 300K to 500K per diamond at an NPC would be fair. Shouldn't be free or easy but F2P. Let the gold spammers waste their time in game, i can live with my ultimate blacklist.

add to the diamond NPC, 1 char per account to get diamonds, and put a level cap on it.

Yes a good way to deal with that is make the lvl cap for geting from an NPC 85 and make the dia's a special type you can only obtain so many and you can also not trade them to other toons so you cant make the dia;s on one toon and then gift things to a main id say about 15 a day again would be a decent number maybe

I have always been anti Dia-NPC, cause it just didn't make sense to me WHY a game company would want to make it easier for people to AVOID spending money. I have played other games that are F2P. My most recent is a little tank game that I love. 90% of the stuff you use their "diamonds" for, there is no way to get with in game currency. If you want that advantage, pay for it. Now probably about 3/4 of the stuff doesn't increase your abilities, but it makes you get stuff faster... way faster.

However, unlike some people, I can find a middle ground and say that now I would be ok with a dia NPC, but only under certain conditions:

1) diamonds are locked on the character, no gifting, no trading nothing
2) level cap on who can get them, at least 70+ I would say, 75-80 maybe, but I don't think we have to set it at 85. Don't want to be too isolating
3) a price that is NOT MASSIVELY better than the current economy standard. IF they go for 160k dia on your server price should be set to like 150k-200k.
4) once per day per account, or even a more casual friendly once a week per account- I am ok with 450+ dias a month worth, as long as the other conditions are met.

This framework for a Dia NPC is fair, and mostly unexploitable. My thought is that, even if this is a fair system, there will be those that don't like it. The reason why is because the WANT something exploitable. They want the Dia NPC to be something to make sure they can have the best of the best, with no money and little to no time put in the game. Any fair player, who doesn't just want a system favoring them, should think this idea for a Dia NPC is fair as well.

Here is where we test if people that want to F2P are as willing to compromise as others. I have moved more towards the center of the argument, will they?

Quoted from "Uure"

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

They'll just keep hacking ancient accounts that have megas like they do now. It won't remove the megas from those accounts.

How about this: if an account was inactive for more than half a year, then /y should be simply blocked. But the user would get an email with a confirmation link: clicking on it would confirm that it's her indeed, and would re-enable her right to world-shouting.

By the way, if breaking into inactive accounts is still such a problem, why a similar check (email with an unique link) is not done for logging in? If an account is inactive for e.g. half a year, first logging in could just show a message "Account blocked due to long inactivity period, please click on the link in your email to unblock."? It's just a one-time tiny annoyence, if done automatically based on a unique link would mean no extra work for support, and - would completely solve the breaking-in problem once for all, wouldn't it? (And if anyone has lost an access to her email account, she can still contact the support and get the account back.)

What if they start hacking active accounts to spam their world shout since they can no longer use inactive ones? >_> It would be worse lol. They did that before, and all Gameforge did was sit in their office saying "if you get hacked its your fault for XY random reason, not our problem! Too bad for you! Our system has no fault!

Quoted from "Dkjester"

1) diamonds are locked on the character, no gifting, no trading nothing
2) level cap on who can get them, at least 70+ I would say, 75-80 maybe, but I don't think we have to set it at 85. Don't want to be too isolating
3) a price that is NOT MASSIVELY better than the current economy standard. IF they go for 160k dia on your server price should be set to like 150k-200k.
4) once per day per account, or even a more casual friendly once a week per account- I am ok with 450+ dias a month worth, as long as the other conditions are met.

Honestly, DK, I disagree with #1 because if you could only get Dias from the Dia NPC and need to send an item to an alt, or even another player to get an item from them, that would restrict the usage of the NPC Dias too much. People don't always sell things at the expense of their items, such as selling a stat at the cost of the buyer's puri, or a piece of gear at the cost of the buyer's ABL.


For #2 I had a similar thought. Instead of making the cap of buying Dias lvl 70+, I was thinking maybe anyone at any lvl above 10 would be able to buy dias from the NPC. However, people cannot buy Dias before a week of the toon being created. Also, anyone under say... 55 would only be able to buy 5 Dias once a day per account, while anyone above 55 could buy 10 Dias a day per account.


In the case of multiple toons on the account, you would be limited on how many Dias you can buy that day based on what lvl character you buy them on and if you buy them on a toon below 55 that has a side higher than that, you could still buy the 10 Dias.


I saw nothing else here that I disagreed with.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

This framework for a Dia NPC is fair, and mostly unexploitable. My thought is that, even if this is a fair system, there will be those that don't like it. The reason why is because the WANT something exploitable. They want the Dia NPC to be something to make sure they can have the best of the best, with no money and little to no time put in the game. Any fair player, who doesn't just want a system favoring them, should think this idea for a Dia NPC is fair as well.

Actually, I don't thing it was the Dia NPC's that were exploitable. What I think allowed the NPC's to get exploited was the free trading between accounts through the use of the AH. Someone has multiple accounts, seems gold to alts to buy Dias, then transfers said Dias to the main account by placing 1 gold for 3 Dias and buying that 1 gold with the alt.

Quoted from "Dkjester"

Here is where we test if people that want to F2P are as willing to compromise as others. I have moved more towards the center of the argument, will they?

I'm F2P. Let's compromise.

Diamond NPCs were exploitable because their diamonds could be gifted, even before they added back trading of diamonds in AH.

Non-exploitable diamond trading in AH is not really an FTP vs P2P issue, or it should not be. Bound upon purchasing, non-giftable, and for other reasons, no megaphone buying in any form with them, and no use of mail with them, again for other reasons, does not cheapen diamonds bought in RL. It is a system that benefits both FTP and P2P, without diminishing diamond value for those buying in RL. My guess is that it is a power/control issue for some.

Diamond NPCs, using diamonds bought by no one, will accomplish 1 of 2 things. Cheapen the in-game value of diamonds bought in RL, or absolutely nothing if the price is set too high. It does make certain in-game functions available for FTP, but at the risk of accomplishing the first thing. This type of diamond activity is actually more of an F2P vs P2P issue than a revised form of diamond AH trading.

Diamond NPCs using diamonds sold to it by other players could be viable, but same restrictions would have to be placed on it as for AH trading, and it would be a fixed price. The better option for both FTP and P2P is the restoration of AH diamond trade with probably most of the restrictions which have been suggested in this thread. Amounts and level of character are actually unimportant if the restrictions suggested are implemented.

Quoted from "ruisen2000"

player accounts for this that already have megas in them.

It is very easy to create query that will reset password for all players that have not logged in - in let's say - last month.

All returning players would have to reset their password before entering game, witch should be easy if they have email access that they used once they created password.

This would solve problem we had with accounts being hacked - but it is beyond my understanding why GF did not do anything like this to fix the problem. It should take half hour or so to create query and test it... as long as you know what you are doing, of course...

Well the issue with hacked accounts etc makes me laugh a lot, some people sell their accounts, altought illegal as per the TOS, still do it. I've seen it on a few gaming forums advertizing the toon name, price and server. Which i find very ridiculous anyways, it's a GAME, just transfer the account to someone who will enjoy it and play it. I wouldn't be surprised either that someone got fired one day, got frustrated from losing their job, took some account data info and sold it to the highest gold seller bidder. Remember when they moved the offices from Berlin to the new location and how as per ThePit, they never gave him the instruction manual for the game, how to do events, XP/TP events and how it turned into a fiasco when they tried.

Gameforge seems to have more professional people working for them than Frogster ever did. They are not perfect but all we have seen so far is much better than Frogster people.

Keep up the good work people ;-)