Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "CharlieBananas"

3. No party buff foods (Hot Stew) that would allow players to invite alts to get the buffs.

is actually a pretty big thing for me. while most people think they are nice, the gm foods create a huge divide in the community. there are then those that have the gold/alts to get massive amounts of gm food, and those that, well, don't. i mean, look at egg rice for example. hasn't been handed out for years, yet the top players, top guilds, and richest people still use it. the average new player will NEVER, EVER get to even TRY egg rice, let alone even be able to sell it to endgamers, yet just another advantage for the established player. thus, that new player, even if they gear to endgame, will always be below the established endgamer who has a stack of egg rice/stew/etc sitting on an alt.

alternate solution: have a 7-14 day timer on gm food, and prevent it from being bugged(like certain timed items can be done now). then u can pump as much as u want onto the server for all i care. as long as it's all gone in the end.

now i know alot of you are thinking "wait a minute, shouldn't an established player have an advantage? i mean, they were there longer..." imo, yes, they shud have somewhat of an advantage, but no, if we want new players to flock to the game, they need to have access to resources established players have. until that happens, players will be either "pre-event" or "post-event". heck, even take froggy sigils for instance. 10% drop rate might not seem like much, but a new player will never get it. yet some of us have them on our alt's alts. same with OD wings. plus, having events/goodies/"stuff" for new players doesn't hurt the current established people. i mean, they can just get it as well...all they are losing is a monopoly.

simply put, we need to shift the focus towards new players. if they can't reach the same levels of play an established player does, they might as well quit now before they took out the loan from their bank to pay for gear. pets are another great example. assume they never use golden eggs as a gm event again(since it's a special event, we can't "expect" it to happen again). every new player from now on will be screwed for a pet. yet it cost us next to nothing when we did it either through botted golden eggs(and if u say ur golden eggs were not botted, but u leveled it with eggs during that time, i'll laugh in your face), or the gm/garden event.

players will leave the game for various reasons. many not even related to the state of the game at all. maybe health concerns, moving issues, employment issues, etc. yet unless we have new players to fill those spots, the population will just continue to decrease. i'm just not seeing those new people, on ANY server(i've been around more than even some of you realize). unless they found a way to bug GMHide to be able to be usable on themselves, i have no idea where they are.

if you really think it's "easy" for a new player nowadays, try rolling an anonymous toon on a new server. no gold, no dias(for at least a couple weeks, i mean a new player isn't gonna come and spent IRL cash on a "free" game the first day), no friends, no connections, heck, roll a class you have no idea how to play to make it even more realistic. i'd love to see how far you get. i don't think many of the high-end established players actually know what it's like for new players anymore.


anywho, thanks for the thread mattyb, i hope i didn't derail it :/

Quoted from "CharlieBananas"

My solution is simple:
1. Make all GM food bound.

That'll certainly eliminate the problem. By, y'know, preventing the GMs from giving it away.

Quoted from "Sebkha"

That'll certainly eliminate the problem. By, y'know, preventing the GMs from giving it away.

lol...because the GM's walked over and traded you to give you the GM food and all.... All they did was hit some little macro that basically spawns items in a players inventory.

Sounds like a few people having a 'QQ' cause they missed out on something.

Better still put them in the Item Shop, who would be buying them for Alts then.

Man Kind never changes, if they can't get something that someone else can, then they will do or say what they can so no one can have them.

--- Jealoucy FTW ---

Be thankful you have gm food. On en servers we have almost nothing

I like the "just don't hand those out anymore" idea.


Stuff like Hot stew/egg rice will slowly fade from the servers. Personally, I don't have a problem with them... I don't know why anyone would... Is there that much competition between players that one using one to tank better, or do more dmg in an instance is really a big deal? I mean I would figure, the ones that have them being able to instance run better, only helps the group... So only people that would be unhappy would be those that didn't get in the group....


Unless you all mean a strictly PVP sense.... Which let me then bring up some of you had a problem with the iceblade nerf because you believed a PVE nerf should not have been done for PVP reasons... If you are merely saying GM foods should not be allowed for PVP reasons, aren't you buying into the thing that you opposed in another case?

Instead just make them unusable in siege... PVP issue solved. Then you can not care how many thousands of them are floating around.

If you have a problem with guilds using them to do runs.... or buff themselves on the boards... cmon get over it.

I sense a "big waaaaah!" here.

I don't begrudge players who have managed to amass large quantities of GM foods/gifts. On those rare occasions that we have 1. GM "events" and 2. when I can actually get to one, my biggest problems are actually staying online wherever the event is taking place. Even with my video settings cranked down as low as they can go, I usually suffer 6+ crashes during the event due to the mass quantities of toons (mains and alts) that show up on Osha. I can imagine how much worse it might be on Arti, Govinda, and Reni (especially with Zid's cockroach crew, lol.)

Other than stated foods/gifts (such as Egg Rice Dumplings, which will never be given out again), most of the gifts are useful in the usual situations--Siege and in instances. Not as useful as foods/pots that we can craft and are far more readily available, but useful, nonetheless. I really appreciated those "magic watermelons", of which I am now out, for the 15% xp/tp boost. Great when used during farming for xp/tp. They made some difference while I was working my Mage side from 71 to 72. Not as much as doing dailies did, but every little bit helped.

If you're able to run 3-5 clients during an event, great. I'm happy for you. I can run one, maybe two (if I'm lucky and hold my mouth right.) Glom onto whatever you can for as long as your client(s) stay online.

No changes needed. Nothing to see here. Move along, citizen.

before people get the wrong idea, if i sold all the GM food i have atm, i would probably have a new gold capped toon. thats not the issue. and before you ask, no, i will not sell it to you, so don't even ask. i've almost had the mind to toss it all a couple times.

after that rather large post, i have to say i am agreeing with DK alot(which is weird O.o what is happening?...). matty's post pretty much summed it up as well.

not ever giving out gm food again would be fine imo. it will fade, like DK said, and that will be the end of that. that is actually why i like the uni pots(least of the evils). they are a one and done deal. u can pop them like candy for all i care. faster u pop them, the faster u run out. fine by me. if they were to ever released egg rice, or stew, or anything else like that again, it would be nice for there to be a fail safe that it would be off all the servers after a certain time, either that, or useless(bound).




i will admit this, when re-reading my original post, i realized i must have sounded a bit "anti-rich people". that was honestly not my intention at all. i love rich people, as i have explained in previous posts. what i am against is people controlling markets(monopoly), which is what seems to ultimately happen with rare items like gm food, especially those that aren't released anymore. and it's not even a matter of they worked for it. that being said, we still need ways to help new and even returning members. there was a great thread EU side about the issue. yet the fact is, to achieve this, established players cannot control ALL the means(for whatever reason). dog meat was a great example of something new players pretty much had an entire market on. u never see endgamers farming meat to sell. it was always the low level noobs, because it was one of the few ways they could actually make money. one of the ways they had an advantage over the established player(more due to the established player's laziness, but still).

new players have no way to even compete with established players. there isn't really anything that is a low level "grind" that will get you anywhere. it all comes down to the fact that if you start today you are screwed. all the "good" things in RoM(for new players) have really passed. we haven't seen anything that helps the new player in quite a while. and it's honestly hurting not just the new players, it hurts all of us.

/slow clap

As long as i have been around, and having faced you in siege when you proceeded to solo whip the hell out of my noob guild, i respect your opinion Mattyb.

I do agree, with your idea. Having seen a few people blow their own horn about how many golden eggs they got from last event, wich, could only be accomplished with multiple alts and multiple accts it grinds my gears.

Still see egg rice for sale on ah all the time even tho they were given out last what, 3 years ago?

there are many things wich should be disallowed in siege, strictly on pvp basis. but yes, in pve, if you are in a party with soemone and they have, that extra something to keep party alive, make run successful, its great. but in siege, all bets are off. QQ gets turned up to the max.

over the years i have seen myself unfair advantages manifest themselves, and sometimes correct. sometimes not. I think the gm events are great nonetheless, but the trolls that take advantage of it and bring every alt they have through the cycle for free stuffs is retarded. but such is the nature of "free Stuffs" it draws the worst elements to do the worst thing to get THE most free stuff. making them bound. sounds good. if gms had a way to limit items on a per acct basis, would be one step further.

It is tiring to see people take huge advantage of every little giveaway, that eventually ruins it for the average player, the new players. Take the advent calender. or how about the dias vendor. or dias in ah. etc.

trolls will always exist. they will always take and take with no thought as to how it effects overall game experience for the rest of the population. most importantly the new, up and coming players.

for the record, I came to reni after 5 years on indigo. started a new toon, a class i was unfamilar with. still catching up to my previous level of game skill, with new class, and take verbal abuse regularly from the longtime players. and i dont care. this game is still awesome. people will fade, people will come. if i can grab up a few new players here and there, great.

they should just mail everyone on server that is active within say 3 months items when they do gm events. wont cut out all the alt farmers, but some. i know personally i have alts i havent touched in years, on various servers, and im not much of an alt farming person. but i bet people that do, have dozens, just sitting for when gm events happen, or created just for them.

and before this turns into a fann ramble, good day yall.

Personally, I'd be glad if they stopped giving out the free GM handouts. This is nothing about the GMs. I think it is admirable they give up their time to do such events. The few events I attended in the past were marred constantly by a 'whining/begging' for more, and I found the whole process to be a disheartening comment on human behavior. Just a personal viewpoint. Plus, lots of free stuff for doing nothing, or almost nothing, is bad for 'character' development.

Quoted from "CharlieBananas"

I am literally saying "I have an unfair advantage and it should be fixed."

If you feel you have an unfair advantage by having the GM Foods, if you open your backpack you will see a little icon that looks like a trashcan. Use that for all of the "unfair advantage" items. There, problem fixed.

The problem I have with this is that this is a global game. I have never seen Hot Stew on my server. Ever. There is definitely none on AH.

Now try and balance the game. Is PM too easy or too hard? Well, I can see how Artemis will not cry about difficulty or too much deff etc. With 30% patt buff for the party, well, yeah, the picture is quite different.

If you guys do sell this stuff on AH (as visible on BB's video) then within one sever things will get distributed out. It is actually an argument for keeping this stuff not bound. Someone participating in an event will get an advantage (that's the idea, why else would you take part in it...) but it's basically extra coin in your purse; other players will buy Hot Stew etc. simply on AH. So from this point I would actually lean towards keeping this food not bound. (Unless the reason is not actually making things equal but - making the impact of the events more limited, which is where the suggested timers etc seem to be leading)

But the fact that on one server there is so much Hot Stew around that you are looking for it on AH as if this was a normal thing, and on another server no one has ever heard of it - well, that's wrong. Fortunately we don't siege against you guys, but if the same is happening on some .eu server => they will have it soooo much easier to run PM, get new items etc. I don't want to meet them @ SW. Ever.

And still, even of Hot Stew was limited to the .us servers: the feedback GF will get from you guys about balancing the game etc. will be quite different than the feedback from us. That's not good, imho. Servers should be in a similar situation.

Quoted from "Uure"

But the fact that on one server there is so much Hot Stew around that you are looking for it on AH as if this was a normal thing

ah, to fill in some missing pieces here: the seller told BB via chat that the hot stew was on the auction house and he should buy it because they were having trouble with the instance. that seller is mattyb(the OP), and we were both watching BB's live stream when it happened. mattyb kept pestering BB to buy it. :P


gm foods are now rare enough that when they go on the AH, it is usually followed by a world shout. otherwise, you don't really just "go look for" gm food on AH...

Cike, thanks for this reply. I will go to bed a bit less outraged tonight...

Why is this even an issue?

Of all the unbalanced things in RoM, suddenly we're worried about GM goodies that haven't actually been handed out in over a year (eg. eggrice, hot stew etc)?

That's goofy.

Let's assume that a GM gets on a server and gives out goodies. Let's assume that every player who is online at the time has to follow the same rules regarding account and toon creation... in that case, do we not have a completely level playing field vis a vis number of toons? Should we not instead be whining that the GM's don't give enough notice so that we can all ask the day off work so we can get our lifetime supply of hero pots and invis potions (what they handed out last time)?

Unless the GM's have suddenly made a rule where pay to play players (or any group of players in particular) aren't allowed to roll alts, I don't see how this is an issue.

This sounds a little too much like the old "free to play players farm stuff and then sell it to me and I don't think that's fair, they should be forced to buy diamonds or we should make it harder for them to farm because FtP belong in a level clearly well below me who sold my firstborn and left elbow for the shiny gear I do nothing with waaaaaaaaaaaa *cries*"

Mind you, I do not accuse Matty of making that argument. I missed you Matty love, but in this imma call you cray-cray, okay?

And at Uure, perhaps you do remember an item call Realgar Wine? Cause that was released only on the EU side of the pond, and never here in the US. I agree that that stinks. If one sides gets goodies, we should all get goodies. Yet, I believe they are already doing this, now that we are all under GF. So, we really can't whine at GF too much about what Frogster did four years ago, can we?

Bottom line: We all can make alts. We all can log them in for goodies when the GM's come, or do their dailies, or get golden eggs (which are bound, so not even an issue @person making it an issue) or PoM's or +20 gems or whatever is around that's farmable. As long as that playing field is level, farmers gonna farm. Don't be a farma-hata. Farm if you wanna farm and buy off AH if you don't and be damned grateful that the GM's showed up and gave us goodies or events or whatever.

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885"

Unless the GM's have suddenly made a rule where pay to play players (or any group of players in particular) aren't allowed to roll alts, I don't see how this is an issue.

gm's have repeatedly stated that they will not hand out to alts. if you have a char that is named "steve", and u log ur alt that is named "bob", ur gonna get rewards 2x. if you log your alt named "stevesalt", it will get skipped.

heck, fan, u know how i name my alts. i am lucky to get extra goodies on one of my "___cike" alts.... i log on some of my obscurely-named alts(psychei for example), and they all get extra goodies.

just because everybody CAN get around the rules is a reason why we shud all ignore them?

Quoted from "mnkmurphy885"

As long as that playing field is level

^ this is the issue. it's not actually level. just the simple fact that people still have stacks of egg rice/hot stew is a testament to that. it might have been fair years ago, when they actually handed it out regularly, but currently, it creates an imbalance.

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Why is this even an issue?

As long as other server doesn't have 30% attack food, this is huge issue.
Why? As soon as I get this food on my server I will give you many reasons. Now It would be only theoretical explanation. I prefer to show you what I can do in practice with this food. Can't wait to put my hands on it. CM please give us 30% attack as well.

The issue that I have and most of the people I talk to is how these things affect siege. If all the items were bound and not permitted into siege, it becomes a non-issue. Universal Potions were the worst thing that ever happened to siege.

My other issue is that GM's are players too, and the giving away of items has been abused in the past. Just take the power away from them. You want to give us something nice, Just have it pop-up in our mailbox when we login.