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Wednesday, December 3rd 2014, 7:02am

Revive Mentos

I think making mentos stats worthless is one of Rom's biggest mistakes and a major reason for the population decline. Mentos spams allowed non-endgamers to easily form PUGs, make friends, and to keep progressing. Nowadays, if you aren't running the latest hardmode instance there is literally no point in doing anything other than siege, no further way to make progress on your toon outside of minigames. Lately, I just spend most of my ROM time reading this forum.

Mentos made all lower instances and modes relevant; even a HOS run was useful because mentos had value. It wasn't a waste of time to do a normal mode because you still got something useful out of it. Now we get nothing. When mentos were nerfed a major incentive for a large portion of the population to play was effectively killed. Sure you can do EOJs, but EOJs aren't group activities and are more suited for bots rather than people. Not many want to play an MMO solo, so what's left to do?

Endgamers say that instances are now just burn or die, well ROM as a whole is now just go endgame or go home. It may very well be that the amount of money endgamers put into the game is greater than all the rest of the community combined, so ROM has decided to target them with the current content design, but if ROM is interested in trying to expand the player base again, I think reviving mentos in a big way would be a good step.

It's positive that ROM has backtracked somewhat and put some decent stats on the very expensive priced mentos items in wailing fjord although i don't know about jungle of hortek, and you can get a good melee ring from POM easy, but they need to keep going all the way back to four years ago. Put all the latest yellow stats back on mentos items and get rid of all these worthless crap stats and reduce the cost. There just has to be some incentive for more people to play ROM and currently there really isn't.

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Wednesday, December 3rd 2014, 7:16am

Good points.
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Wednesday, December 3rd 2014, 1:05pm

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Mentos spams allowed non-endgamers to easily form PUGs, make friends, and to keep progressing.

i miss these days so much. full support from my side

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Wednesday, December 3rd 2014, 1:33pm

I honestly wasn't around when mems gave good stats. I think the last time was ToSH, though I'm unsure about with AC. I would love to actually get useful stats from a mem pull, and I think it would help get people more active in the game besides siege, minis and dailies. It would also help people gear up easier.
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Wednesday, December 3rd 2014, 6:48pm

its mostly about interaction activity, rather than gearing

atm ppl:
1) either run endgame instances if they r gear to do so and have a good group (most of the times guild-group, but dont quote)
2) or they dont run instances at all cause they r just not worth to

this result in ppl of the 2nd category:
1) either quit
2) or login to do minis and siege and then login to alts to do more minis and all such crap

overall, this results in a non-mmo behaviour, without the will to party with random ppl, meet other ppl, have fun with other ppl

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Wednesday, December 3rd 2014, 6:58pm

agreed

make normal mode worthwhile also
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Wednesday, December 3rd 2014, 7:44pm

Big +1 from me. Agreed both with the suggestion as well as the reasons behind it!
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Wednesday, December 3rd 2014, 8:47pm

Damn I can't tell you how good of a suggestion this is.

What would be good/best is for the mem dealers to give the exactgear w/ the stats from the HM instance previous to the zone -10% or maybe even -15% base stats + the addition of a green stat.

Example:

Bethomia HM Krynor drops a Krynor's Robe: Lvl 80, Type: Cloth, 2942 Defense, 5240 Magical Defense, 1540 Maximum HP, 242 Magical Damage Points, 242 Magical Critical Hit Rate

The mem dealers in Sarlo should sell this gear, but with the stats: 2647 Defense, 4716 Magical Defense, 1386 Maximum HP, 218 Magical Damage Points, 218 Magical Critical (all base stats -10%). then, the chance at ONLY the yellow stats as it would come with if it dropped directly off the boss + a green stat.

This way, the gear is still viable to use for those that do not have a desire to run the instance or cannot, either as the gear or the stats on the gear or perhaps both.

It also makes it so that the players that want to gear right away with the instance stuff can run the instance for the gear and have the gear without the -10% penalty for actually running the content (and they are free to continue making the money off this better gear as they do now). The addition of the green stat means that RW/GF makes the money from the cleaners to clean the stat off the gear and the players they buy it are still at a disadvantage to those that actually did the work.

A win win for end gamers, GF and the not-so-endgamers alike.

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Wednesday, December 3rd 2014, 9:00pm

Well we already have crafted gear that is very close to the HM gear. Endgamers usually use the gloves, belts and pants from the crafted set. All you need is find the crafter on your server and ask them to make you the gear. I made full sets for our healers and healers from other guilds, 85 pants, belt, gloves and cape, 87 chest, head, boots and shoulders and they have awesome heals.

I only use mems to buy mats to craft, grassland, rage potion etc . I have like a 1/100 of getting OD and about the same for one good stat, so i don't waste my time with mems stuff at all.

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Wednesday, December 3rd 2014, 9:05pm

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Well we already have crafted gear that is very close to the HM gear. Endgamers usually use the gloves, belts and pants from the crafted set. All you need is find the crafter on your server and ask them to make you the gear. I made full sets for our healers and healers from other guilds, 85 pants, belt, gloves and cape, 87 chest, head, boots and shoulders and they have awesome heals.

I only use mems to buy mats to craft, grassland, rage potion etc . I have like a 1/100 of getting OD and about the same for one good stat, so i don't waste my time with mems stuff at all.


I don't think you got the point of the message. While your method works as far as "working together" is concerned, you're only working with one other person, "hey, come make me some gear". Some people may not want to take that route, AND the point of the actual gear (and this entire thread) is the stats on that gear not sucking. You...don't get current HM instance worthy stats on crafted gear, do you? Additionally, the fact is that mem farming is usually more fun, more enjoyable and less boring when you're doing it in a PUG or at least with your guild and the return of A) Getting gear for an alt that's coming up or B) getting aggs from earlier instances is a plus. It also makes the earlier instances, such as HoS, DL and ZS, viable to run every day because they're quick mem farms, a good party that knows what they're doing can clear all three in what....a half an hour?

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Wednesday, December 3rd 2014, 9:06pm

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I only use mems to buy mats to craft, grassland, rage potion etc . I have like a 1/100 of getting OD and about the same for one good stat, so i don't waste my time with mems stuff at all.

Exactly why mems should be revamped ;)
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Wednesday, December 3rd 2014, 11:11pm

Well i get Stam/Pdef pillars/horror on the 85/87 gear and Int/Matk from it also. Yes mems needs better drops rates on stats but i do not think that will ever change.

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Thursday, December 4th 2014, 12:40am

sta/def and int/matt r not HM-drops. they r the "well-known-but-noone-wants-to-discuss" bugged stats that drop for some "weird" reason in easy and normal mode only.

still getting "the selected few 2" stats out of a range of 20 usable stats on crafted gear doesnt make mems usable.

mems should a part of the game's FUN. they should be a bond between players to come together. at this stage of the game, this is extinct.

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Thursday, December 4th 2014, 2:53am

well take on crafting and get your stats yourself, pretty simple.

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Thursday, December 4th 2014, 4:03am

and here u miss the whole point ... again

.. get ur stats yourself ..

its not all about stats. its about ppl enjoying the game together. together. together.

"enjoying" the game "locked" in ur convenient "crafting shop" is not what would describe a mmo-rpg in the end

ps: 1- i m a dedicated armorcrafter
ps: 2- i never used crafts to get the buggy-stats. can get them from EM if i want. but how-to-get stats isnt the topic of this thread. its about i) lack of interest ii) lack of interaction

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Thursday, December 4th 2014, 4:20am

Can you still pull level 82 hard mode stats from I think it was Ryan Poltus in Muck Gale Port? You can also pull the chain mail set with magic attack there, some people use it for war mages. You can also pull masters simple hammers outside HOTO as well as matts for your guild. And some funky temporary mounts.

Mentos can also be used to pull matts from the vendors in the last city on the map and then sell em in AH for plenty of gold to buy your stats with.

Mentos can also pull some of the best accessories in the game.

They seem pretty valuable to me.

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Thursday, December 4th 2014, 5:33am

Aren't those hard mode stats 3 caps ago? O.o not nearly as good of stats to put on in place of the newer ones.

"Some people use the... Chainmail with magical attack on it... For war mages"....... That's only some people. Not everyone.

Masters Simple Hammers are good, but that's one of few things.

But those " funky mounts" also cost ptokens, which can be used for much better things, such as puris, or plussing jewels, etc. especially when most people already have a permanent mount that moves at the same speed or faster. Those aren't very useful unless you're desperate for a change of pace or are desperate for a weeklong mount.

Guild matts are fine, but that shouldn't be the only reason you farm mems. That just makes farming mems a chore.

Crafting matts.... Sure, they can be sold for gold. But that depends on your economy and requires people not undercutting you with more mats than you have.. Too many its and buts for that to be viable, imo.

What use are some of the best accessories in the game if, as zid said, "[you] have like a 1/100 chance of getting OD and about the same for one good stat?"
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Thursday, December 4th 2014, 10:11am

the chance for getting a good stat from mem pulls is 0%, zero percent, not 1/100, not 1/1000000, its zero. none of the stats r usable. this is a seriously flaw. its plain zero.

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Thursday, December 4th 2014, 5:04pm

Well, if I'm not mistaken i'm pretty sure you can get stam/mdef from mem pulls, but I could just be thinking dreamland... Idk, either way, great ideas posted above and yes they really need to add good stats back to mems so lower and higher geared players even can run more instances together to mem farm and pull hardmode equivalent stats. int/matk and stam/def are easy mode zid ;o
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Thursday, December 4th 2014, 6:20pm

Well since there is so much hate here for me and crafters in general. The level 80+ crafted gear and weapons at least gives us an incentive to use that feature in the game. I've been crafting since day one in this game, always got crap to craft except the level 60 and dragon set. It was just a nice plus to help those who loves crafting and making it worthwhile spending so much time into it.

Rougetopriest, yes i forgot they dropped in easy only, i tought it also dropped in hardmode as single stats instead of double like on crafted gear. I agree mem's should give us about the same success rate as P-shells, as i said i never pull with mems since it's always fail. I was just putting out there that there were other ways to get stats.

I got a few stam/wis and stam/def from dreamland but i don't run it often but still not bad, add the EOJ's to the mix, yes these require dedication to get, i agree but we have options. Papp Hesof being nerfed was a sad day, but we can blame the botters for that one. It was a nice and easy way to get EOJ's but as usual, the usual suspects got it deemed an exploit.

I doubt they will revamp the mems sadly, i am still waiting on the next level cap upgrade since not a lot of people are on since the holidays are around the corner ;-( at least i could have stuff to do in game ;-)

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