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That was the idea that's been being suggested when talking about capping it. Because that only affects k/m instead of affecting every class that uses mage as either primary or secondary just because of an elite skill. If it was capped at +50, then it would fix a problem for 1 class, and hurt many other classes.

considering the k/m intensification is a different skill then the mage intensification altogether it would be easy to change it without impacting mages. just make the damage increase cap like it is the case for w/r splitting chop for instance. when you level the skill damage keep increasing, but the pdef shred part of the skill caps when the skill reaches level 50, could do the same with k/m intensification.

+1 to remove sod if no shield.

Quoted from "pachat93"

considering the k/m intensification is a different skill then the mage intensification altogether it would be easy to change it without impacting mages. just make the damage increase cap like it is the case for w/r splitting chop for instance. when you level the skill damage keep increasing, but the pdef shred part of the skill caps when the skill reaches level 50, could do the same with k/m intensification.

thats how combat master works ;)

Quoted from "Moranight"

As long as we are on the everyone QQing ....nerf the scout pls...can see my rogue in hide way to OP /sense the sarcasm

Absolutely! Should nerf the Priest too their Bone Chill is WAY too OP! OMG! LOL--

Seriously, there is nothing wrong with the way the Knight/Mage is. If your gear is inferior to who you are going up against, you don't have the talent points (300 Million is NOT end game and you aren't even close to having the amount you should), or if your class isn't designed to win against the class you are fighting you need either get better gear, farm talent points, or learn to counter the attacks (or here's a thought.. try all three). Seriously, not all classes are designed to fight all other classes. So yes, rogues should have a tough time fighting high physical defense toons like knights and wardens.

Making SOD require a shield will fix nothing, all k/m will just switch to a 1h wep+ statted shield and still full buff a shit on everyone and just have more pdef while doing it.

Quoted from "famousk"

Making SOD require a shield will fix nothing, all k/m will just switch to a 1h wep+ statted shield and still full buff a shit on everyone and just have more pdef while doing it.

1 hand sword only has like half the magic damage of 2h swords but like 0.4 less attack speed, which is why K/M uses 2h. So if they still want SoD they'll lose a lot of damage.

Quoted from "Optomistic"

I Wouldn't Mind Getting Hit for 50% Less if they can still use SOD.

Voila. I have appeased the OP lol. Now for it to happen... lol

Quoted from "Optomistic"

Can We Finally Get a Nerf To K/M? Just How All the Other Classes Got Nerfed. >.<
How Is It Fair to Get One Shot no Matter How Much HP or Type Of Defences.
K/M is Basically a A One Shotting Tank. There Needs Obvious Adjustements to It.

Anyone Who Says There Is No Adjustements Needed, You Either Play That Class And Don't Want the One Shotting Fest to End, Or Clearly a Troll.

Couple of questions? Are you having trouble with all Knight/Mages? Or just one or two in particular?

Are you wearing PVP gear or PVE gear?
Are the Knight/Mages you go up against wearing PVP or PVE gear? What tier is your gear?
Do you carry Faces of Treachery with you?
Are you checking to see if the Knight/Mage has it's "Shield of Discipline" or Mana Shield buffs on before you pop out of hide and attack?
Are you using "Shadow Prison"?
Do you take a Mage with you to engage the Knight?
Can we get snapshots of your gear verses your arch nemesis Knight/Mage you are having so many issues with?

This is much like me playing Bear. He's a mage, no matter how much defense I stack and how awesome my PVP gear is I know the rogues are going to 1 hit me if they are allowed to get anywhere near me and are similarly statted, geared and with similar talent points. And Bear has over 1 Billion Talent points (and I know that I'm no where having the amount I need to max all my skills). I have to carry Eyes of True Knowledge with me and scatter them about under visual illusion towers AND/or take a scout with me to pop the rogues out of hide.

Rogues should not be able to masterfully kill all other classes with no problems. They have several advantages and seriously, if you are a Rogue/Mage, you're playing the class that truly should be considered for "nerfing" before the Knight/Mage. Otherwise, it would be called Rogues of Magic and there would only be one choice for class on the character selection screen. The endless combinations of class combinations and ways to stat and custom gear your toon is truly what makes Runes of Magic an exciting, engaging, and fun game allowing you tp play your way instead of a cookie cutter approach to every toon.

I hope these suggestions help. Team work and strategy-- that's the way to go. And sometimes, we all have to accept that another team either works better together, or has invested more money and time into their toon Gawds. Happens to us all the time.

Quoted from Roguetopriest:

"However, I still think it should be left alone, people enjoy playing this class and it's an enjoyable class to fight and strategize against in siege war, no nerfs plz "


I agree with Nirvasa's statement. Not because I siege with several K/M's, but because it adds challenge and diversity to siege war. For instance, it shouldn't take a whole guild to kill an uber statted healer in full PVP gear. At least now healers have something to be afraid of and need to play smart with. Certain classes will have a hard time against K/M's. That's why sieges should rely on class diversity to win sieges. I chose to play M/K not because M/K is OP, but because I can boost my K/M guildies' damage with my 15% added light damage debuffs, and still have fun playing the mage class with my crowd control and ranged skills. Surely I can't be as tanky as my K/M counterpart, but I do have advantages they don't. I don't aim to match their damage because massive damage is a K/M's specialty.

Asking for a nerf for any class combo could potentially mean the end of that class. The "adjustment" can be so excessive that it destroys the viability of the class combo both in PVE and PVP. We just need to chill and be careful what we wish for.

+1 to ChetMichael

Quoted from "Psychee"

"However, I still think it should be left alone, people enjoy playing this class and it's an enjoyable class to fight and strategize against in siege war, no nerfs plz "

The enjoyable class to fight is where I disagree, personnally I dont enjoy fighting a class the stops me from using my skills, Kills me in 1 hit and takes almost no damage when i hit back. I dont mind challenges, but i have more fun fighting when the odds are closer to even then completly tilted on one side. having the other guy mess up as only win condition is no fun at all.

As for not nerfing the class because people might quit, people might also get frustrated to get demolished by that one combo and decide to quit because they are not having a fun time when it is in siege.

Nvm, disregard everything i said k/m obviously needs buffs. Skip to 24mins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twDiN-Q9Ur0

Well, k/s holy chains hasn't been fixed for pvp yet and that completely locks down multiple players for minutes on end until they are hit by something. Do you think that's fun to play against? Many people don't because it is a spammable skill that lasts 20+ seconds on players. They get hit, they get rechained I'd they aren't one shot. PvP gloves can't remove it, and even if it could, then it would be immediately reapplied. Only reason most people don't complain about it on US side is because there are far less k/s than k/m, and k/s can't do as much damage. Many people have to deal with it every day in EU sieges, and they complain right and left about it. You don't like possibly getting one shot by a class you can actually attempt to fight against, well, how about being locked down and unable to do anything except wait for one of their heavy dps people to switch to pve gear and one shot you? Which would you prefer to face, a possible oneshot that can be countered, or a definite lock down (if they don't screw up) that has no counter? The answer should be obvious. Imo, k/s > k/m.

Quoted from "Aristatic"

Nvm, disregard everything i said k/m obviously needs buffs. Skip to 24mins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twDiN-Q9Ur0

that could have been over in like 2 seconds if they popped a couple bursting beetles combined with a stun....

seriously, lack of strategy hurts my brain....

Quoted from "Cike"

Quoted from "Aristatic"

Nvm, disregard everything i said k/m obviously needs buffs. Skip to 24mins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twDiN-Q9Ur0

that could have been over in like 2 seconds if they popped a couple bursting beetles combined with a stun....

seriously, lack of strategy hurts my brain....

Strategy? They're k/m bro. Strategy=press attack. lel

Quoted from "pachat93"

Quoted from "Psychee" "However, I still think it should be left alone, people enjoy playing this class and it's an enjoyable class to fight and strategize against in siege war, no nerfs plz "
The enjoyable class to fight is where I disagree, personnally I dont enjoy fighting a class the stops me from using my skills, Kills me in 1 hit and takes almost no damage when i hit back. I dont mind challenges, but i have more fun fighting when the odds are closer to even then completly tilted on one side. having the other guy mess up as only win condition is no fun at all.

These are Nirvasa's words originally. As a M/Wd, he finds K/M's enjoyable to fight and strategize against.

Quoted from "pachat93"

As for not nerfing the class because people might quit, people might also get frustrated to get demolished by that one combo and decide to quit because they are not having a fun time when it is in siege.

No matter what Gameforge's decision on this K/M issue is, there will be people who will be unhappy about it and quit. I don't blame them 'coz there's no point in playing a game you're no longer having fun playing. I'm just saying for the game's sake that Gameforge won't overly "adjust" the class to make it utterly useless.

Am I the only one who knows how to not get hit by a white attack from a K/M? I was pretty much destroying every k/m I saw when I was playing on mage, and dexy classes should be able to dodge the white attacks pretty consistently.

I feel like people try to face tank full attack with all the knights buffs going, then get mad when they die.