Runes of Magic US / AU

Quoted from "Optomistic"

Thats the Only thing They Need Lol. The Only Buff they Need Actually. Only An Amatuer Would Die By a K/M without the Light Buff.

I Know How to Play Lol, It Isn't My "Lack of Skill". Its That K/M one Shots Me Though PVP Gear regardless of what I Have. Just One Endless Mash Of Attack and You Win. How Stupid Is That?

I Buff to 450k+ HP, 200k Pdef, 150k mdef. Amd Still a One Shot.
No Matter What You Say, a 600k Full Attack Isn't normal on a Player with FULL PVP Gear.
I'm Glad I Have That Player Resistance, Only Get hit For at Least 500k. Joy.

You literally said K/M don't need any cooldowns to hit hard. That's not true. They need intensification AND holy strength to hit hard. They're not hitting you for 600K without those two things, and if they are, you're lying. What's any different from a 600K full attack on a player iwth full PvP gear with buffs running and three hits from a wd/w for 200k in the same amount of time? Or 20 50K flames from a M/Wd in 3 seconds flat? Spoiler: there's nothing.

K/M is so absurdly easy to counter. Banish them, lightning them and they're helpless. Did you know you can hit a rooted k/m with melee skills but they can't white hit you because white hit range is smaller than melee skill range? Stun them. Run in a circle so they can't hit you.

Also 150K mdef is paper. So is 200K pdef. I buff well over 500K pdef and a buffed melee class can easily burn through that with buffs running. Anyone who complained about getting hit hard by a warden or a rogue but only had 150K pdef would get laughed out of the park.

Learn to counter. Learn to play your class. Or make a K/M if it pisses you off that much.

Wait, Aren't Holy Strength and Intensification cooldowns? O.o Both have 2 minute cooldowns. One lasts for 40 seconds, the other for 15 seconds. If those aren't cooldowns, then I'm a squirrel.

Quoted from "Zerienga"

Wait, Aren't Holy Strength and Intensification cooldowns? O.o Both have 2 minute cooldowns. One lasts for 40 seconds, the other for 15 seconds. If those aren't cooldowns, then I'm a squirrel.

Yes. And unless the person has no PvP gear (And thus are not worth talking about in a discussion of PvP balance), a K/M is not hitting you for 600K without those two cooldowns while still being tanky enough to be impossible to kill as is being claimed.

If a K/M doesn't oneshot you, it swings so slowly than a decent healer can probably have you nearly full again by the time they hit again, unless they're popping lute/stim/etc cooldowns, in which case we go back to the previous: Any class that is buffed can destroy another.

Lol. The question was mostly aimed towards the OP since he's insisting that k/m doesn't use any cooldowns lol. Now, if we're gonna talk about OP attacks when pve geared in pvp, let's take a grand look at Elemental Rampage lmao

And your point is...? Here's a spammable champion skill: Rune Pulse. It gets a cast modifier to it and is based off of your mainhand dps. In shield form, this is spammable. We all know that RW can only buff things extremely and nerf things extremely, so yes: if they nerf the damage from Light Energy Weapon, then it will kill the class's potential in pve.

I have no honor gear but buff up to 550K HP/700K PDEF and 115K PATK on my K/W for siege and a K/M one night hit me for 1.2M loll. Borella is trying to tell you how and why, give you pointers to help out as others do here, stop being stubborn and listen when people offer their help and knowledge.

I have a K/M, it is geared with PVE gear and i don't play it in siege, just like my K/W and K/S more and i don't have the experience with it like Borella and others for PvP.

Quoted from "Optomistic"

My Point is, It Needs a Nerf. =P

Even the Healers Get One Shot. XD

Healers only get oneshot if the K/M is 100% fully buffed and the healer has zero pvp gear on and is not a P/K with SoD and has no mdef or mresist at all. Also the K/M likely is not in tanky pvp gear if they're oneshotting a healer, because they wouldn't have the matk to do it.

You can think it needs a nerf, but you're wrong. Any good class geared well and played well can do well in PvP. You play a Rogue, you have it the easiest against a K/M.

Tank vs. weak dps = dead dps

If you're getting pimp slapped by a k/m then up your mdef and pdef. And the roll of a tank is to absorb damage/crowd control a group, so in pvp if a tank can't take on a group of people then s/he's not doing his/her job. Instead of requesting a nerf figure out how to overcome and beat those bastiches. Kite them to run out their buffs, pop in and out of hide, run them into traps (if in siege), etc. Having a class get nerfed doesn't increase anyone's skill level in playing the game except for those who get nerfed and learn to overcome.

And Zid doesn't play k/m cuz he sucks as a tank. He's much better as dps!

lol Sek you know it hahaha you always get me laughing hahaha People want K/S nerf for the chains, K/M for the few who can one shot people, K/W because AD was helping the group too much, do we ask for K/P nerf too because too hard to kill? or K/R because they should not DPS loll

Come on, play a Knight then and be done with it, not because you can kill them that it needs a nerf, you might just be bad playing your class lol.

Quoted from "Optomistic"

No Matter How Much Pdef or Mdef. Its Still a One Shot. Thats Like The Constant Problem lol.

Nope. You're wrong. Warlocks in siege reduce full attacks to like 15K all the time. Champions also have crazy amounts of absorb that make it hit for nearly nothing. Healers get hit by it for 80-100K all the time, especially P/K which is nearly impossible to kill with only full attack while their SoD is up. People with well statted pvp gear reduce it to 100k all the time. Even crits aren't always one shots on classes that know how to use their absorbs and reducers correctly. Not to mention in order for a k/m to be as tanky as you're claiming they are they need 7pc PvP gear which reduces their crit by tons, thereby decreasing the amount that full attack actually crits, so it's definitely NOT oneshotting everyone all the time without crits.

As a rogue it shouldn't even be that difficult for you to not get hit by it. Kite them around, stun them, pop evasion and dodge cape and you're basically unhittable.

If you and everyone you play with is getting oneshot by K/M all the time then you need to learn a better way to deal with them, whether through better gear or better tactics.

Weird that nobody complains about wl/ch Severed Consciousness https://youtu.be/2uX_FoDzUtY?t=7m50s

Or no complaints about W/M https://youtu.be/AvvYriAdHFM?t=16m28s me clearing entire tower

CH/M hitting me 1kk elemental rampage while I had SoD on, 450k pdef, 200k mdef on my p/k.

I haven't played K/M actively for months cause I usually get so stunlocked and piled with tons of dps, never bothered to play it, trying to play it again.



Play smart against your opponent, if you run straight towards a fullbuffed k/m, you deserve to die.

Personnally(p/k point of view) i dont think k/m do more damage then other classes and by that i mean wd/w, r/m, to me wl/ch is healable, ch/m is w/e coz it's only once every 5 minutes and doesnt even kill me 90% of the time. m/wd is fine too once every 3 min and usually can serenstrum it in time. r/m and k/m is the same, use sod or insta die, can still get burned through sod. silence and stuns very anoying to deal with (not counting the disagreement to not be able to heal anyone coz they all get 1 shot so to speak). running in siege with 500k pdef, 300k mdef, 600k hp. getting hit for 400k + per hit by k/m if no sod, up to 100k low blow by r/m.

anyways i feel like the main difference between the 2 and where there might be an argument if that k/m gets tankier and has more utility compare to the other 2.

Tankyness: well sod is the best defensive cooldown in the game lets start with that. they alos benefit from the knight stam to pdef ratio which is the highest in the game and get 20% extra from holy light domain, and another 10% from hall of dead hero, not counting mana shield. if you compare to r/m who only has 50% dodge from evasion to rely on. wd/w might be the only other class that can do good dps who might get close in term of tankyness, but i would take sod over it

utility: a k/m got 2 stuns, 1 silence, 1 interupt/root, a self speed increase and a physical attack disable. mana shield does absorb most of the crowd control effects. r/m has a stun, 1 silence, 1 interupt, 1 physical attack disable. wd/w get banish, 1 root, that's it.

so basically k/m is harder to kill then the other classes that do the same damage, they have better target lock too. also having less hit but more damage in each makes it harder to heal as it'll more likely 1 shot then the other combos. I just want to finish by saying running from a k/m with cooldowns is not really an option as they move faster then you and you probably have a tower to defend anyways so cant really go that far without loosing something important.

personnally think both r/m and k/m are insanely strong and make me feel like paper. k/m is slighly stronger though imo

Quoted from "pachat93"

utility: a k/m got 2 stuns, 1 silence, 1 interupt/root, a self speed increase and a physical attack disable. mana shield does absorb most of the crowd control effects.

Holy Light Domain for dmg reduction on enemies, threaten to reduce targets attack power, wws to slow targets around you, Holy Shield for 5 sec pdmg immune, Shield of Valor for 50% more parry, Truth Shield Bash for hp shield

didnt feel like listing them all, i think what i put was enough to make my point