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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 3:17pm

For now I'm taking a look into the thread ... and quite frankly with the current state of this thread I need quite some persuasion that this is not a gigantic troll in the first place.

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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 3:25pm

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But outside burn k/m is oreety squishy and hits maybe 100k to PvP geared players.

actually k/m is one of the tankier class outside of burns compare to other classes when defensive cooldowns are down, knight has most pdef per stam of any class+ resilience+ enhaced armor+ holy light domain

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I'm guessing the people here who cry nerf are all 70-80k HP players without PvP gear going in unbuffed who expect to not die.
exept the players complaining go in siege with 300-350k hp: k/p, w/p and wl buffs

that been said still maintain my opinion that yes k/M is broken strong but it isnt the only combo to be so
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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 4:36pm

Optimistic, will you shut up if me and a friend of mine who is also a good k/m quit the game? Not all k/m are OP in pvp if you've observed. I spent tons to gear up. If I wont gear up I have no match to wardens, to m/w and to r/m and to most classes. K/m has slow attack speed. I have to buy strong stimulant to atleast speed up a little. I utilize anything I can, anything that can be useful to atleast have a fight against all classes that are OP. I have no complaints against classes that can forever stun me because that's the strength of their class. Every class is OP if used by an OP skilled player. You apparently not!

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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 5:17pm

I didn't realize rogues had so much trouble trying to avoid ridiculously slow white hits...this is kinda sad actually
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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 5:20pm

I am Pretty Sure it aren't only rogues.. x.x
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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 5:26pm

lets keep this constructive.

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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 5:34pm

Suggestion: instead of nerfing each class that is used by a geared up player, boost each class then. ROM is a dying game. Each time something is nerfed, someone quits.

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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 6:20pm

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Brings Back Memories When They Told Rogues to Stat Wisdom and Mdef against P/S.
But That Got Nerfed. XD

K/M is Kinda the Same Issue Here. People Must Be on The Bandwagon for K/M DPS.
Cause Its One Shot Here, One Shot there, You Win. Least Make It a Reasonable Dmg.
Also reminds me when rogues told everyone to stack Pdef. Much good that does, since R/M can still burn through 400k Pdef. Must be nerfbat coming in for your class!

Decent rogue with more dex and patk built siege gear > K/M. 400k HP tank build and <insert uber Pdef here> won't tank a K/M.
Wl/C > K/M anyday. R/M > Wl/C.
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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 6:22pm

Rogues Already Got a Nerf. I'm Surprised People Don't Know about it.

K/M clearly needs an Adjustment. It has to do reasonable dmg. Not one Shot and absorb everything. As Well As Take Little Dmg From players.
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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 6:24pm

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Rogues Already Got a Nerf. I'm Surprised People Don't Know about it.
You mean that 7% combo throw damage reduction that they called a nerf? lol
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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 6:34pm

How Is Having Max Forge On One Side and No Upgrades other Side but the K/M Still One Shotting People Seem balanced.

I Run With W/P, K/P in siege and Still, K/M one Shot lol.

We Are Talking about 300k+ HP PVP Geared, Not the 70k People lol.
This Is an Issue People Don't Feel Like Voicing And People just stop sieging because of K/M.
I Love PVP but K/M makes It Ridiculous, Regardless Of "how to Approach" the Class.
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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 7:03pm

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How Is Having Max Forge On One Side and No Upgrades other Side but the K/M Still One Shotting People Seem balanced.

I Run With W/P, K/P in siege and Still, K/M one Shot lol.

We Are Talking about 300k+ HP PVP Geared, Not the 70k People lol.
This Is an Issue People Don't Feel Like Voicing And People just stop sieging because of K/M.
I Love PVP but K/M makes It Ridiculous, Regardless Of "how to Approach" the Class.
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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 7:06pm

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How Is Having Max Forge On One Side and No Upgrades other Side but the K/M Still One Shotting People Seem balanced.

I Run With W/P, K/P in siege and Still, K/M one Shot lol.

We Are Talking about 300k+ HP PVP Geared, Not the 70k People lol.

Because most of us have been in sieges in the same condition and seen how fast a R/M can still burn PvP geared people down. R/M does about equivalent overall DPS to a K/M, but spread out over numerous hits instead of doing it all in 1 hit. Illusion blade dance is a pretty insane CD and has like what? only 2min on CD? Tbh, R/M has enough perks in siege that it just feels more like a QQ thread about R/M not being the top class in SW vs every single class.

And no, K/M does have a counter - Wl/C wipes the table vs K/M consistently, and you can see Mytho's vid for proof. I've seen R/M's that can consistently burn K/M's and W/M that can fight K/M's head on. K/M isn't the top siege class, they just do better vs the common 450k Hp + Pdef rogue build.
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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 7:14pm

I Am Not Talking About Rogues Only. My Whole Guild Kept Getting One Shot by the Same K/M. And we Aren't all Rogues lol.
We Are Wardens, Healers, Warriors, Champs. All A One Shot. And Yes They are PVP Geared.

Its Not about Rogue, Its About How K/M is Overpowered Regardless. Why Use Upgrades if it can one Shot you
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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 7:18pm

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I Am Not Talking About Rogues Only. My Whole Guild Kept Getting One Shot by the Same K/M. And we Aren't all Rogues lol.
We Are Wardens, Healers, Warriors, Champs. All A One Shot. And Yes They are PVP Geared.

Its Not about Rogue, Its About How K/M is Overpowered Regardless. Why Use Upgrades if it can one Shot you
Edited last post to add more info.

As for why use upgrades, same goes with... every other fotm. R/M can do 90k x 3 WA and another another 90k DPS from ET vs people in full honor gear + Pdef, and Wd/W can do 250k-350k+ CC's on PvP geared people. Myto was being hit for nearly 300k Severed Consciousness x 4 with his guild on par in upgrades in that video. Why bother trying to tank with upgrades vs any fotm class in full burn.

Is there a difference between taking 300k damage at the same time, between a K/M that just does a single 300k hit once every 3s and a R/M that can do 300k damage per sec on you through 4-5 hits that land at nearly the same time, and a Wd/W that does 250k CC's every single second and maybe even weaved with other skills to hit at the same time for another 150k if they have diyce? The difference, if any, is not very noticable...
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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 7:34pm

These are some of the PVP geared players who I can't one-shot especially with their buffs on:

Maimed, Nirvasa, Magio, Kingdon, Harrymar, Anthonyii, Suziebella, Blasian, Aristatic, Tiankeem, Darktouch, Grgr, Mizetto, Lianna, Fear

Also, these guys know how to handle a K/M and play smart.

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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 8:11pm

So its normal to get rekt through forge upgrades by a broken class....
cause i dont think it is. Also Nobel, your numbers are innacuracte because the crit and non crit attacks?
It doesnt work that way, a K/M will most defiantly one shot a bunch of players lol.
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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 9:36pm

Optimistic what is the name of your guild? what level are you and TP do you have? screenshot your gear and show us? if you can't do that either because a government agency might be looking at you/spying on your activities as to why you would not divulge that info here to see your point. ( BTW they still know who you are and where you live ) LMAO

All i see is a fail rogue QQ'uing because he can't kill people in siege and is frustrated that a tank can mop the floor with his toon. If all your guildie are as bad as you in siege and cry all the time like this, no wonder you get wrecked in siege.

Do you want them to nerf the guards too? the gates cause you can't DPS them? nerf the crystal because it kills you too and that shouldn't happen? ouin ouin!! come on

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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 9:42pm

mainly answering to noble's post here
the difference between r/m burning and a k/m burning is that while the r/m is actually killable during his burn where k/m isnt in any practical way. the difference between k/m and wd/W burning: the knight mage can stun and silence the target, move faster then it where wd/w can get kyted all day. last time i checked if you serenstrum the severed consciousnesses wl/ch cant do much for a while.

also, w/m gets demolished by k/m as charge beats surprise attack(basically if they both are cast at the same time both toons end up next to each other and the w/m is stunned), and strike of punishement stops the w/m from doing much damage for 6 seconds if the fight isnt over already

also i want to point out on mytho's video he goes in as only dps vs 7 ppl on the other side and kills one before dying unless i'm mistaken
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Sunday, June 28th 2015, 9:49pm

I Don't Want To Give Any Information Out. But, As I Said Before, I'm No Amatuer Player.
I Am a Level 92 Rogue with Close to 300m TP. Missing 10m i Believe.

I'm Pretty Sure People Will Be Surprised By Who I am. I Am From Artemis Server Yes. But That Does Not Matter.
What Does Matter is That Other Classes Do Put up a Fight but the K/M There Is No Fight. Its Clearly a one Shot.
And Stating That Snowbella Cant One Shot specific People, I Can Understand That.
But a K/M is a K/M. It Will Always One Shot.

Pachat's Statement Pretty Much Sums Up the Fight. Its a Class With Debuffs, Tanking Ability and Just One Shot. Lol
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