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Monday, June 29th 2015, 11:35am

Honestly idk why you all are continuing to try in this thread. It's painful to read.

You all tried to lead the horse to water, it wouldn't drink and died, and now you're all just beating the heck out of it..
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Monday, June 29th 2015, 12:44pm

You just have to realize that a good number of people with unlimited resources or time play this game in the god mode. They have all maxed skills and gear. They can one shot anyone no matter what class they are playing. They are almost immune to any damage from any classes unless that person is playing in the god mode as well. It is not the class it is the gear and money they spend on this game. There is still a place for you in this game. It is called cannon fodder.
It use to be that a moderately geared person could survive in the game but no longer. Money talks and unless you are able to get the elite gear and spend a lot of money on tier, plus and stats you pretty much have to accept your fate. These are the players who buy all the diamonds they keep the game going so of course the game will be tilted in their favor. The business model always favors the people who pay to keep the business profitable.

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Monday, June 29th 2015, 2:33pm

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You just have to realize that a good number of people with unlimited resources or time play this game in the god mode. They have all maxed skills and gear. They can one shot anyone no matter what class they are playing. They are almost immune to any damage from any classes unless that person is playing in the god mode as well. It is not the class it is the gear and money they spend on this game. There is still a place for you in this game. It is called cannon fodder.
It use to be that a moderately geared person could survive in the game but no longer. Money talks and unless you are able to get the elite gear and spend a lot of money on tier, plus and stats you pretty much have to accept your fate. These are the players who buy all the diamonds they keep the game going so of course the game will be tilted in their favor. The business model always favors the people who pay to keep the business profitable.
So basically your saying that every class as there perks in their own unique way?

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Monday, June 29th 2015, 3:02pm

YES
Every class is useful (there are some doubts about Scouts) and can succeed. The classes are not totally balanced. That does not mean they are equal. Money means a class which is slightly OP becomes totally OP because of the gear and money spent on the character. There is so much power in the gear etc. that a character with a little advantage with no gear etc. would win 51 out of 100 fights, however with the current gear situation would win 99 out of 100 if both characters were geared etc. to the max. The differences in the classes are not that great it is the gear and money spent maxing it and all skills with the ability to buy all upgrades home maid, castle, cards,potions etc. that turn minor differences into a total unbalance. Don't worry that much about your class worry about how much you can spend on your character.

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Monday, June 29th 2015, 3:03pm

Well as Mytho said: his ignorance is bliss and confirmed my previous answer. Optimistic you should play R/P in siege, seriously, you could stab yourself and heal it after, so you would be OP too ROFL. :dash:

Ya we don't want a tanky combat tank because they kill rogues boohoohoo, well get more guildies that can be helpful in siege and not hugging the back towers for merits.

Settle this once and for all, let's go to siege in all white gear and see how you're about 300M TP do off people with more TP and skills and siege war titles and cards and set skills and strategy and overall know how to play their class.

On Reni i would vote for either Borella/ Doomed / Tienkeem/ Sperlie /Sointou/ Lockincaid/ Dream for the win overall and maybe me in top 10th place. GM's please make it so we get one week of white gear siege please and let's settle this situation and show the noob what knowing to play your class does :o

Optimistic stack more Pdef and Mdef and stop whining or don't go to siege anymore :cookie:

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Monday, June 29th 2015, 3:15pm

I'm just trying to figure out what your posts have to do with this thread, aardvark... They really don't seem to have a connection at all to the thread. They talk about how gear makes a class OP or not whereas the thread is about k/m and how it should be nerfed for being OP in the eyes of the OP. Also, this person is a r/m supposedly with pvp gear as well as pve gear, so they must fall into your category, too. Scouts are not underpowered for endgame anymore. Does their gear make a difference? Yes. But if you go around trying to run endgame in poorly made gear for your class or gear 20+ levels under it, then you have no business complaining about not doing well. Same with pvp. If you take pve dps gear in to pvp, you should expect to be one shot and not do much expect to other pve geared players because the pvp gear is made for being sturdy and having enough attack to get the job done and pve gear can cut through pve gear lIke butter. That's why the pvp gear is pvp gear and not pve gear. They require two different mindsets when being built.
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Monday, June 29th 2015, 3:42pm

I Don't Know why people think i'm a certain player. I Will no longer reply to private messages regarding that..

As To The Thread, Please Stay on Track, Its About k/m being unbalanced. Which It Is and I Havent Sieged For A While because of K/M.
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Monday, June 29th 2015, 3:52pm

you dont go siege because of 1 class? lmao

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Monday, June 29th 2015, 3:52pm

one does not simply nerf a k/m!

just because you get pwned by some k/m , you go cry on forums about yey!
you need to learn how to kite a tanky player :')

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Monday, June 29th 2015, 4:35pm

My thread is about I don't really believe all the classes are totally unbalanced or that anyone of the combos should be nerfed. When playing at lower levels or at high levels before huge amounts of money is spent on the characters gear etc. the differences are minimal it is the gear etc. that causes the huge differences at end game. Nerfing a combo to level out end game would ruin the class at all the earlier levels and for the people who cannot afford the end game gear etc. i.e. what happened to the scout class after its nerf. So I am weighing in against nerfing this combo. If they could find a way to balance out the end game without destroying the rest of the game it might work but they can't. PvP, PvE and Siege are all unique worlds and require different balancing and they have not been successful in dealing with all three when dealing with balance before and there is no reason to believe they would be in the future.

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Monday, June 29th 2015, 5:03pm

K/M is surely OP when having 800M TP in their skills compared to a rogue that has less than 300K TP or another class as that maybe. There is an item in the item shop called Daily Reset Tickets that can help with the TP issues, also whne you have players that have been here for 6 years, done their dailies like clockwork and took advantage of doing all their quests, TP events, farming TP etc, of course they have an unfair advantage compare to you Optimistic, they actually played/invested time/ invested money to get where they are at. So of course they should get nerfed and have all their TP removed to match yours and maybe then you could play with the big boys.

As players like me that can play the game 10 hours + a day like many others we should get nerfed too and have a one hour counter put by Gameforge for our time in game because it is also an unfair advantage to the likes of you. So then we could either do siege agains't fail rogues that would still QQ K/M and any other class can kill them.

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Monday, June 29th 2015, 5:15pm

Why would i need More TP if all the skills are maxed.... I only Focus on One class Combo anyways.

If i were so bad, i would say NERF Wl/Ch, M/WD, Wd/W or w/e. But i dont cause they actually use skills unlike K/M just mash Attack lol.
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Monday, June 29th 2015, 5:19pm

So... just like w/m? :P lol
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Monday, June 29th 2015, 5:20pm

someone is butthurt :bday:

edit: you think k/m one shots u?

warden/druids can spank u just as hard :D
u gonna make another thread about them aswel?

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Monday, June 29th 2015, 5:26pm

So Optimistic what you are saying is : I got 300M TP on my rogue and all my skills are at level 92 TP in all of them on your main and second class combo, 300M got you there? really? please elaborate because i bet a lot of people wanna know how you managed that?

Heck i got 825M TP know and not maxed out yet on all my skills, btw hope you are not saying the 3 usual rogue skills, shadowstab/low blow and wound attack because no wonder you get wrecked in siege :P

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Monday, June 29th 2015, 5:27pm

No, those two classes are actually fair to fight because they dont go around running with absorbs, SOD, ect.
Not saying they are bad or anything, but k/m is like combining w/m within a tank.
I Would preffer fighting a W/M over a K/M.
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Monday, June 29th 2015, 5:30pm

So what you're saying is that Light Energy Weapon isn't the problem, it's SoD? Then you'd be fine fighting a k/m? ;)
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Monday, June 29th 2015, 5:35pm

Yeah Basically, Cause how can you be sooo tanky, to the point where your mana shield doesnt go away because of SOD. And still Full attack for 500k+ lol.
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Monday, June 29th 2015, 5:43pm

Tbh, I've never been hit for 500k+ by a k/m when I'm buffed up on my p/k xD and I don't have pvp gear for it atm. Hell, Anthonyii has hit me for 200k+ from beast roar on his warlock >.< And that was wit me using SoD. And since it hits every second... xD
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Monday, June 29th 2015, 6:01pm

A well geared k/m is as dreadful as a well geared w/k. Ofc requirees some skill, but we r talking about rom. Gear is 90% of your performance. The rest 10% comes from ur playskill and devotion (tp etc).

A medium-geared k/m with 1billion TP is trash compared to a well geared k/m with 300kk TP. 300kk TP r enough for a rogue to perform absolutely great in sw. Give some really good gear and can do miracles. The OP has issue with k/m not because he doesnt have enough TP, but cause he cant find a way to kill a k/m in 1v1. K/m is hard to kill in 1v1 though in general.

Is SoD stupidly OP? Yes it is ofc, we all know that. Its just that some */k and k/* dont admit it. But k/m is all about defense+absorbs. SoD is a part of the combo.

And as said before, will dare ask again. Do u kill a well geared w/k with ease and u have issue only with k/m? cause i ve seen 600k w/k's in sw hitting ppl for 200k HSs and getting hit for 10k. Combined with a pocket healer, is a (k)nightmare.

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