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Quoted from "MODRUNE01"

Am I missing something basic here?

no, you are not. thats exactly how it works.

it's a compromise, so neither side will be fully satisfied.

Quoted from "MODRUNE01"

Maybe an example would help..
Someone made a t12, +16 FA weapon because they wanted to. After a few months go by, this individual gets bored and wants to sell it near the price he/she originally paid to make it. Do you really think this item is going to appeal to many buyers from a demand standpoint? Sure, the supply of similar items will be low/non-existent, but so too will be the demand.

i don't understand... if the weapon has a almost no supply AND the demand is just as small, then chances are the item would never sell for that price unless there was someone who was going to make the same item.. so you have an item being listed to be sold but will never be sold.

Also i don't understand why you think the item will appeal to many buyers if the demand is so low that there would not be many buyers.

i suck a reading -.-

Totally agree with Saito' post, the issue is most people don't want trades and just gold or try to get double the amount for the traded item for the others items. Supply and demand sucks cause both side thinks their item is worth more etc. Who's to blame?? mmmhh could it be Gameforge? nope, runewaker?? nope, Saito?? nope the just the good old greed of people playing games and they do not own mirrors, cause they would be able to see who's responsible

BTW Doomed is also totally spot on so..... WE ARE DOOMED!!!!!!!

Quoted from "MODRUNE01"

Maybe an example would help..
Someone made a t12, +16 FA weapon because they wanted to. After a few months go by, this individual gets bored and wants to sell it near the price he/she originally paid to make it. Do you really think this item is going to appeal to many buyers from a demand standpoint? Sure, the supply of similar items will be low/non-existent, but so too will be the demand.

Your example is crap.

Endgamers understand that their gear depreciates. I make really god damn good gear. I KNOW that I'm not going to sell it at or near the price I paid to make it.
ALL THE ENDGAMERS KNOW THIS.

What you (not @ you specifically MODRUNE since I'm quoting you) non endgame people seem to not understand is that a lot of us aren't willing to part with older gear for a tiny fraction of what we paid to make it. Gear that is perfectly viable/useable in endgame runs. Sorry I'm not giving a handout. People pay retarded amounts for 1-3 stats, yet aren't willing to pay even that much for a clean t8 fully done piece of gear. I'd rather put in on an alt or my housemaid or in a chest and just sell a couple stats for the same gold.

So now after insulting us with your offer and whining about the prices on the forum guess what? You can spend even more to make your own not as good piece of gear. Good job.

Quoted from "TWMXC"

People pay retarded amounts for 1-3 stats, yet aren't willing to pay even that much for a clean t8 fully done piece of gear. I'd rather put in on an alt or my housemaid or in a chest and just sell a couple stats for the same gold.

Spot on. Most of my old stuff is loaner gear now.

This argument is the theater of the absurd. Those items are never put in the Auction House. I have characters on both Reni and Govinda and in the last 6 months I have not seen a single upgraded crossbow in the Auction House on either server. The best one was a plus 6 that I upgraded a few months ago and I watched it resold a few times since then. There has been as long as 3 months without a single weapon in some categories. People complain about never getting as much for the items they have crafted as they feel they deserve. Well, what do you expect you never put them in the Auction House to sell. The people who complained the loudest about not getting a high enough price have never put the items up for sale in the first place. It is just all a farce on their part. They have no intention of ever selling the items. It is just the same as millionaire who goes to the food bank to light his cigars with hundred dollar bills. They had their fun with the items and are willing to break them rather than let other people play with them and enjoy the game. Then they wonder why the people are leaving the game and the servers are empty.

Quoted from "aardvark3"

It is just the same as millionaire who goes to the food bank to light his cigars with hundred dollar bills. They had their fun with the items and are willing to break them rather than let other people play with them and enjoy the game. Then they wonder why the people are leaving the game and the servers are empty.

So just because endgamers invest a ton in their gear means we can afford to just give it away when we are done with all of it because we are just that privileged? If this is what people actually think in the world oh my, its much more messed up than ever originally thought. Free handouts should NOT just be expected. like really wtf >.< I'm astonished, and almost speechless.

If you're not willing to pay the price for an endgame item, you're never gonna be endgame, so you don't have to whine on the forums because you shouldn't even have the item to start with.

OMG Racerx put a sock in it, do you think you have any control on what people can and cannot get in game?? Since Doomed doesn't agree and kiss your feet, he is gonna be on an imaginary not to sell list?? LMAO . Do you think everyone needs the best gear all the time to have fun? i think you are just a vengeful brat that cannot see further than his arse. Sell your super OP level 80 gear T8 with eternity stats on it for whatever you want, probably you never will, with the prices you are asking. Your attitude towards the community is what makes people leave or not wanting to stay, get off your high horse and soap box.

It is not because you run the latest instance that you have any control on the game and fun people have.

Funny look at rankings on Reni and see who has the most PDEF/STAM as a tank = EODCHIP, look on DEX/PATK = DARKSPACE, his ranking is all unbuffed and running all crafted gear, he didn't pay squat for his gear or stats, just the plussing. He has better gear than most people on Reni as a tank and rogue. He has fun doing what he loves and awaits the merge just like all of us for more people to run with. People who will want to have fun running instances and helping others for free, not have an Excel speadsheets of rules that only benefits the one that wrote it.

We have more endgame people than you know or think you know on Reni, time frame, health issues, family, jobs, school are all things that comes into account on why people are not running the latest instances. But you can't comprehend that, it's all about you , you ,you and why the constant complaining.

Rankings = skill. Forsure.

Quoted from "zidlef"

Funny look at rankings on Reni and see who has the most PDEF/STAM as a tank = EODCHIP, look on DEX/PATK = DARKSPACE, his ranking is all unbuffed and running all crafted gear, he didn't pay squat for his gear or stats, just the plussing. He has better gear than most people on Reni as a tank and rogue. He has fun doing what he loves and awaits the merge just like all of us for more people to run with. People who will want to have fun running instances and helping others for free, not have an Excel speadsheets of rules that only benefits the one that wrote it.

Lack of competition perhaps instead of good gear.

This is just another symptom of low population. I don't think the endgamers who are still around suddenly changed their behavior and stopped selling their gear cheap, I think it's more those specific endgamers who used to turn over their gear frequently in the past just no longer play any more, so we're left with just the endgamers who probably never used to sell their gear cheap. Similarly, at the lower ends, we don't have many people who are trying to climb the ladder anymore. The midgamers who are still left are satisfied climbing slowly and on their own, so there is no one around who pays alot for gear anymore so the demand is gone as well. It's no one's fault, just what happens when there aren't enough people.

@aardvark there aren't crossbows because scout just recently became viable. there hasn't been enough time for the minimal amount of people playing scout to make new weapons yet

@zid you're an idiot so let me spell it out. first of all I wasn't specifically targetting Doomed, as my post obviously said (in these). I never said you need the best gear to have fun. I'm not even trying to sell my level 80 gear. Every time I've upgraded a piece it's gone to a friend, for the last 2 or 3 level caps. I never claimed to have any control on the game, except for the part where I give away my gear for nothing. Rankings mean nothing, but I'm happy for the people you mentioned if they have gear that satisfies them.

The only problem I have is when people want to buy my stuff and whine about the price. I don't complain about diamond prices (just gameforge prices). Anytime I list something on the AH it's always the cheapest of anything available. So quit your shittalking.

Crossbows were just an example. There was at least one in the mix over the last 6 months. There are no other weapons at all in many categories. The post was just to say that even that they would not sell their old items even if they could get the 1 billion gold for them. There is no intention to ever let anyone play with their toys no matter how much they would pay. It gives them more pleasure to vendor them and let other people go without rather than accept 100s of millions of gold for them. It is just their personalities. I have watched items sell for 600 million or 700 million in the past when they are put in the Auction House but no one puts them in there any more. The lie about having to give them away is just to justify not selling them. They would rather lie about being able to get a high price so they can justify not selling them. When you see a couple of pages of items that cost100 million and more in a single category in the Auction House not selling then and only then would the argument of having to give them away have any honesty behind it. But you will never see that, you will only see them whine about not getting their price when they never try to sell them. But it isn't a whine it is a gloat.

Scarcity of +20 jewels messes up the weapon market.

If people can manage to plus 20 a weapon it greatly extends the life of the weapon, especially if +20ing another weapon is uncertain.

Often an older +20 wep is better than a newer <+20 weapon.


Slows down gear recycling and stuff appearing on the ah as well as massively inflating the price for the ppl that do upgrade often

Quoted from "TWMXC"

Scarcity of +20 jewels messes up the weapon market.

If people can manage to plus 20 a weapon it greatly extends the life of the weapon, especially if +20ing another weapon is uncertain.

Often an older +20 wep is better than a newer <+20 weapon.


Slows down gear recycling and stuff appearing on the ah as well as massively inflating the price for the ppl that do upgrade often

Which is just another reason why regular +20 jewels should be in IS and the perfect +20 jewels in the wheel. When they get to reworking the IS, depending on how they rework it, gear sales may go up or get even worse.