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I think people will be more willing to upgrade gear if 20s are readily available.

Surely some % of that vgear is going to end up on the ah.

I don't think the price of 20 gear vs 16 gear will be all that different once the jewels are available on the is. Unless of course gameforge puts an astronomical price on 20s

Its a shame they were ever introduced wheel and sg versions

Quoted from "aardvark3"

Crossbows were just an example. There was at least one in the mix over the last 6 months. There are no other weapons at all in many categories. The post was just to say that even that they would not sell their old items even if they could get the 1 billion gold for them. There is no intention to ever let anyone play with their toys no matter how much they would pay. It gives them more pleasure to vendor them and let other people go without rather than accept 100s of millions of gold for them. It is just their personalities. I have watched items sell for 600 million or 700 million in the past when they are put in the Auction House but no one puts them in there any more. The lie about having to give them away is just to justify not selling them. They would rather lie about being able to get a high price so they can justify not selling them. When you see a couple of pages of items that cost100 million and more in a single category in the Auction House not selling then and only then would the argument of having to give them away have any honesty behind it. But you will never see that, you will only see them whine about not getting their price when they never try to sell them. But it isn't a whine it is a gloat.

lol. I'm as astonished as Nirvasa at this. I'd like to believe it's just this one guy's belief and not all midgamers in Reni or w/e tf he's from.

Well Racerx i apologize for my comment, i read it as tho you were targeting Doomed in your post, i misread it and i apologize. I do agree that most of the time your gear is not overpriced, i am sorry

@Aardvark3

I lol'd. Do you honestly believe that we refuse to sell things just because screw midgamers? We aren't selling our gear because nobody is willing to pay even a fraction of what it's worth, not for some spiteful revenge fantasy against anyone that's not an endgamer. Jesus. You've got some major issues.

If you want to sell an item you put it in the Auction House. If you want a price for it you place that price on it.

If the item is not in the Auction House it means one of two things.

1 It is already sold for the price you want.

2 You don't want to sell it.

I went to the Auction House and not one of the people complaining about how they cant get a fraction of what an item is worth had an item for sale at any price. |f you don't have items in the Auction House that aren't selling you have no way to contest anything I have said all you offer are excuses for killing the game.

Quoted from "aardvark3"

If you want to sell an item you put it in the Auction House. If you want a price for it you place that price on it.

If the item is not in the Auction House it means one of two things.

1 It is already sold for the price you want.

2 You don't want to sell it.

I went to the Auction House and not one of the people complaining about how they cant get a fraction of what an item is worth had an item for sale at any price. |f you don't have items in the Auction House that aren't selling you have no way to contest anything I have said all you offer are excuses for killing the game.

Or you know the likelihood of it selling is near impossible so you don't unbind it, and you stop worldshouting it because it hasn't sold after weeks of worldshouting it every day. or you had it in the AH for weeks and finally gave up because it never sold and nobody ever whispered you about it. Literally every option other than "Boo we hate midgamers I won't try to sell my gear".

I don't know how you can actually be that delusional. You're so right. Endgamers are killing the game because we won't give our gear away. Boo hoo.

World shouting reaches few people and only people who are on and paying attention to world shouts and on at exactly the same time as you are. Which most often is just about nobody. Anyone on Guild, Party or Combat channels would never see it. I have spent weeks of time without ever having the world chat open staying on guild or party chat all the time. Many people got tired of gold spammer on world chat and went to other channels months and years ago and never returned to it. II have not seen any of these mysterious upgraded items that ever stayed on sale for weeks at a time in the Auction House on either Govinda or Reni. There is not a single weapon for sale in some types on Govinda just blank pages. Not a single ring except for bag items. All this stuff for sale that no one knows about. If no one knows you are trying to sell it is it really for sale?

That being said it would not be reasonable to put any items in the Auction House until the merge. Every one is waiting until then to buy. I can only hope that after it happens there will be a flood of items and people willing to pay reasonable prices. However if there isn't it will be a very bad thing for the game.

I do agree that some items are not worth using an ABL on it even if OD, depends what people are asking for or looking for. Trade channels are a good place for both side to sell or buy. I will be stopping posting crafted gear till the merge on Reni for now and people know who i am and if they want something they can whisper me or mail me in game or here on the forums ;-)

At this point i doubt people will buy much until the merge happens and see if all went well with it, crossing fingers and praying to the Saito god of Thunder and Flames!!!!!

After reading and re-reading and re-re-reading both this and the Suggestions for RoM thread, I think I've found the biggest problem regarding what people consider a 'reasonable' price. I'll try to explain it from both sides' viewpoint.

Player 1 has a ton of gold. He has capped gold on several ats, and he uses this to upgrade a certain piece of gear. With the cost of tiering, plussing, and stats it ends up to cost him 1bil gold... (or the equivalent of one entire alt bank). Later, he tries to sell this 1bil item at 500 mil (half of a bank alt).

Player 2 does not have a ton of gold. He has no bank alts, and the most he's ever had at one time is 200mil. He sees Player 1 trying to sell his item for more than double of what he has. He asks Player 1 to lower the price to 200mil (all he has). Player 1 takes this as an insult, and replies that he would rather npc the item than to sell it at that price.


So who is wrong? For both Players, it's a matter of perspective. For Player 1 who has 3 or 4 bil spread around on his bank alts, 200mil is a mere drop in the bucket... it's comparable just giving it away for free. But for Player 2, 200mil is extremely expensive... it's all the gold he owns. He thinks that even though it's just a fraction of what it cost Player 1 to make, that Player 1 should be happy to recoup some of the cost of an outdated piece of gear.

Both sides fail to see the other's perspective. Player 1 thinks Player 2 is just being cheap and trying to get a free handout. Player 2 thinks Player 1 is being elitist for not selling him gear that Player 1 will never use again.

I feel like if I had billions of gold to spread around I wouldnt mind giving gear I no longer use away for free actually aha, but sadly I never have more than 100m on me at a time really (usually under 50m...). And this might also be the case for some other endgamers, even though they have extremely well made gear, doesnt mean they are rich, cause the money to make that gear has to come from somewhere ^.^

Player 2 always has the money just doesn't think it's worth it trust me.

I strongly disagree.
it is common among my friends and I to say "did you see that in the AH? I wish I had enough gold".

I've seen people say I have the gold but I'm not paying for that lol if the price is ridiculous don't buy it but if it's a good price and you need it you can try to talk it down a little but not a whole 100 mil lol or more

I don't know where this idea comes from that all the endgamers have billions of gold...

In fact, most mid gamers probably have a lot more gold than endgamers do, because they help supply the endgamers. We spend so much gold on our gear that mid gamers aren't spending on theirs.

I personally haven't had more than 100M in a very long time, and I know that's very common among endgamers.

The idea that player 2 has the money is not sound. ROM has done everything to curtail the ability to be FTP or anyone to acquire large amounts of gold in this game . It was probably done to discourage gold spammers but had a devastating effect on many legit players and the overall economy. The exception is the elite end gamers who can run most instances. It use to be that someone could devote time to farming items outside of instances (they lack and will never have good enough gear to do the latest instances) and acquire enough gold to purchase most stuff in the Auction House. Now that is not true, all the dailies are now set up so it is impossible to sell stacks of stuff to get gold. (the best example of this is dog meat but there were many others). Getting shells to create stones is still possible but no where near enough. The cost of puries in tokens after you do Goblin games and Matilda means it takes you over a week to get enough to make even one stone. It took me almost 6 months to get up to a total of 250m on my 2 characters 125m on each. The only people who can afford to pay what an item costs to make or even half that cost are the people who create them in the first place.
Outside of the elite end gamers there are very few people who have gold enough to pay even a third of what an item costs to make even once. It is doubtful that even 5 percent of players who are at or near max level could ever afford even one 500 m item,

Quoted from "aardvark3"

The idea that player 2 has the money is not sound. ROM has done everything to curtail the ability to be FTP or anyone to acquire large amounts of gold in this game . It was probably done to discourage gold spammers but had a devastating effect on many legit players and the overall economy. The exception is the elite end gamers who can run most instances. It use to be that someone could devote time to farming items outside of instances (they lack and will never have good enough gear to do the latest instances) and acquire enough gold to purchase most stuff in the Auction House. Now that is not true, all the dailies are now set up so it is impossible to sell stacks of stuff to get gold. (the best example of this is dog meat but there were many others). Getting shells to create stones is still possible but no where near enough. The cost of puries in tokens after you do Goblin games and Matilda means it takes you over a week to get enough to make even one stone. It took me almost 6 months to get up to a total of 250m on my 2 characters 125m on each. The only people who can afford to pay what an item costs to make or even half that cost are the people who create them in the first place.
Outside of the elite end gamers there are very few people who have gold enough to pay even a third of what an item costs to make even once. It is doubtful that even 5 percent of players who are at or near max level could ever afford even one 500 m item,

Thats why i said they should let mobs drop gold but no the economy is inflated they said, but hey what do i know.

I have, in the past, talked about the rich endgamers. They may have been at a point the way that I described them. I believe that the years of higher diamond prices, lower demand from mid gamers for gear/stats, and the increased want to get Pom stats may have eliminated a lot of endgamers gold supply. There may still be some that have lots of gold, but I don't think that is the norm anymore. Endgamers don't buy the gear, they farm it, but they have to buy the perfect stats/diamonds. The decline of midgamers trying to break into endgame, the inability to sell items without ABLs, and other factors have changed the landscape of the game.

Personally, I am shocked diamonds are selling at all, because I don't know many who are trying to hit endgame and need to spend massive amounts of gold. I know I am no longer rushing to gear better.

I haven't been in game much so my opinion may be vastly off base. I think that the landscape of endgamers has changed in the last years.

well here is how I see the hole mid-late game situation when it comes to gear and gold and pricing. I believe i've seen both sides of the situation or actually the 3 sides of it. say someone has 2h to spend on the game outside of siege.

the typical endgamer spends 2h on running hm and doing world bosses. he ends up getting some hm gear and poms. he uses most of what he gets on making his own gear and if there is any extra he sells on ah and uses the money to buy diamonds to + and tier his gear. that player runs often and spending everything you get to do better in runs seems worth it.

there are 2 types of midgamers the first type spends the 2h on alts and minigames. he ends up making decent money. once his first set of gear is finished, he looks for ways to improve, but getting better gear is hard because the supply on ah is low. there isn't enough endgamers for the extra to make an atractive option for that type of midgamer. the items he wants are not really available. he either finds it too expensive to get orange stats and can't find the hm pieces to put them on anyways or focuses on siege and doesn't really care about running. the main difference between that type of midgamer and a endgamer is that the midgamer doesn't run instances on a regular basis.

the second type of midgamer spends the 2h between minis dailies and other stuff like crafting or card farming. that player doesn't really care about been the best or running hard mode. okish gear is more then enough, most of the fun come from farming other things or crafting anyways. that player aims to be decent nothing more when it comes to gear. this category also includes the players that have low income, but try to have endgame like gear and end up never completing a set of gear. by the time they are done with something it is already outdated.

so what happens when the endgame player replaces a piece of gear, the first though is to try to make money out of it, but the midgamer of type 1 has the money to buy it, but doesn't want it coz he already has something similar. the midgamer of type 2 would buy it, but he has no money. the endgamer would have to sell it for such a small portion of what it cost to make the gear that it would rather send it to a guildy who wants to make an alt or to an alt of himself to try a new class that uses the same gear. personnally i tend to send my old gear to guildies that can put it to use rather then sell it for 1/10th of the price.

There's another type. The one that spends 2hrs doing nothing. Not farming anything at all. And just complains there's no way to make gold. When there's low level players making millions from endgamers selling instrument mats...

Another factor is honor gear. Some players main focus has always been siege, and these players do not need to rely on others for some of their gear now.